Imperial manila hinders Cebu economic growth

[unswa]

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Para nako dili kay tungod naa sa Manila ang control kundi tungod ang kwarta nga gi budget para anang lugara gipang kurakot. Maski pag unsa kagamay ng budgeta pero ug gitarong ug gasto makita jud nimo ang paglambo. Pero saon tua man sa bulsa napunta.

Ma Federal, ma PM, ma Republic ug ang tawo nga magmando mao ra gihapon kawatan - tabla. Mao ng support jud ko aning bloody revolution aron naa tay history to LEARN from. It's like don't fück us else we put your head on the pike.

[bleedingboi]

cmon we cant compare each country on the type of govt and prosperity, certainly there are more factors like their policy, leaders, natural resources, etc.

Somalia had a federal govt... is it progressive there?

Somalia is a Parliamentary Republic., not a total federal state.

[Romeojin]

Kasagaran sa mga lungsod labina ug dako ug land area, magsalig sa IRA kay dako sila ug bahin compared sa gagmay na lungsod. Take for example sa Argao ug Dalaguete, ang ilang annual income is 20 million each pero ang ilang IRA kay 80 million kay dagko man ang land area. Aron mawala ang distortion, mas maayo nga ang state government ug municipal government ang mangusog ug collect sa tax ug aron makacollect ug tax, give them freedom to attract any kinds of foreign investors who want to set up their businesses in respective areas. Sa federalism, dunay competition ang matag state kun kinsay makakuha ug foreign investor. Mao nay scenario sa Malaysia nga usa ka federal form ang governance nga ang Penang ug Johor nakaatract ug foreign investors nga wala gasalig ug tabang gikan sa Kuala Lumpur.

Why expound IRA? it doesnt even support your argument. In fact it just show that govt money also past through municipalities not just mainly to NCR/Imperial Manila.
That discrepancies in income and IRA allotment was possible cause of a centralized govt, if we were decentralized then they will have to be contented only with their income.

One thing that our country never push through is economic reform, foreign investment is restricted to what the Constitution states. We should open up the economy first than changing our govt set-up.
True in federalism each state can craft their own laws but again every state must abide to what the constitution states. Not many foreign investor favors the 60-40 limitation. Its still futile if were a federal states and yet our constitution is not investment friendly.

There are other means to improve our current system to the benefit of the local govt unit.
1. scrap pork barrel - would lead to more allocation to different LGU.
2. improve state own corporation or set up more - imagine if our GOCC is as productive as what we see in China, we could have a monstrous growth.
e.g setting up more Malampaya like projects esp 100% govt own, we could be racking in billions.
3. raising salary to what Manila rate right now, would improve tax collection but at a price of inflation, as business owners will compensate to rising labor costs.
4. legalizing jueteng the poor rural areas loves jueteng. LGU will benefit from the profit lmao.
5. electing officials esp higher heads of govt sympathetic to the city/municipality/province/region.
6. etc

Pero ang state government pwede sila ka himo ug ilang kaugalingong tax code para sa ilang state, so in the long-term, dili problema ang kwarta sa usa ka state government kay naa may autonomy to raise own funds to survive. Aron mawala ang imong concern, why not have a sort of equalization payment to poorer provinces like sa Canada example nga part sa Ontario, Quebec, ug Alberta tax revenues, i-remit sa federal government then ang federal government ang bahala unsaon sa pagbahin sa kwarta ngadto sa poorer provinces.

Let us put things into perspective i think you are missing out the bigger picture and my point. And since none of here knows the real peso costs of a change of govt, let me speculate...

Im sure you heard about the news about BBL, and it says.. it will take 75B on the first year alone just to make the Bangsamoro region into a sub state. Now imagine how much billions would it take to establish a federal state, Im pretty sure 100B is not enough per state and you multiply it to the number of states they are proposing.
Where will we get that lump sum of money ? ? should we drive our country to a massive debt in the first year ? is that the price of progress ?

Second, how about the cost of running things per State ? Like I said its cheaper if we had a centralized govt; cause we only maintain 1-- SC, BIR, every department heads etc on our capital. Compared to a federal style of govt/decentralized every state must be independent have their own SC, maintain their own department heads, maintain State troopers and disaster response etc. Its very costly Infrastructure lang daan.

Going back to my question.. how can a poor state/province maintain those infrastructures and agencies and running it; if in the first place if limited ilang income ? kutob lang na sila dawat ug 100B+ to setup their state without or a little means of earning back the investment costs ?

Ma peaceful ra didto kun tagaan nimo sila ug autonomy nga mas labaw pa sa ARMM karon ug ang framework sa BBL, maayo ang pagka-anhay ug good precedent sa future federalism sa nasod. Ang problema lang sa BBL kay dili man pwede i-supersede and ARMM nga usa ka constitutional institution nga ang pag replace ngadto sa BBL, kinahanglan ug constitutional amendment. Ang Sharia law alang ra na sa mga Muslim dili na maapply sa mga Christians o Lumads nga nanumyo sa Bangsamoro under sa proposed BBL. Kung wala pay BBL, walay kisaw karon about federalism.

I know whats ARMM, BBL and the Constitution amendment needed to make BBL possible.
I will just point out that many countries with federal setup are prone to civil unrest like Iraq, Israel, Eastern European nations, etc.
My main concern is if Bangsamoro region will be given autonomy or federal state, what makes you think that they will also push for greater autonomy by creating an independent state ?

I think its impossible ma maintain na ang Sharia Law will be for Muslim only eventually Christian will try to follow it or be force to leave the Bangsamoro State. Same as what the OFWs experience in country with Sharia Law.
Christian women will be force to wear head cover, and then more things will follow.
If not then then Moro may push for cessation just to uphold totally the Sharia Law.

[Romeojin]

K
Cmon Bro Meo, your reasoning are always contradicting with each other.... unya sa pikas na thread compare nimo ang growth sa Thailand ug Philippines... Cmon Bro Meo... Be consistent... Nagisa ka lang sa imong kaugalingong mantika for the nth time.... https://www.istorya.net/forums/politi...decades-6.html

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READ BETWEEN THE LINES. I said "we cant compare each country on the type of govt and prosperity" its one thought. It means certain type of govt is not a recipe for success. I gave example that Somalia had federal govt and yet not progressive, And China had a centralized govt and soon to surpass US economy.

TYPE OF GOVT - differs hence theres a comparison
PROSPERITY by means of GDP data - differs by each country hence theres a comparison
TYPE OF GOVT and PROSPERITY - now tell me, do you have a data on that ? is it well accepted ? recipe na for success ?


In the battle of wits, its clear you unarmed. In your desperation to score 1 against me, made you to resolve by twisting my words.. how pitiful

Dont compare me to you, forcing people your views that "pagingkod palang ni Penoy nikusog ang economy" when the Palace had said "we were force to make DAP cause our economy slowed" even your fellow yellow doesnt support your view


You keep mocking me ha, prepare for my payback.

[Romeojin]

Para nako dili kay tungod naa sa Manila ang control kundi tungod ang kwarta nga gi budget para anang lugara gipang kurakot. Maski pag unsa kagamay ng budgeta pero ug gitarong ug gasto makita jud nimo ang paglambo. Pero saon tua man sa bulsa napunta.

Ma Federal, ma PM, ma Republic ug ang tawo nga magmando mao ra gihapon kawatan - tabla. Mao ng support jud ko aning bloody revolution aron naa tay history to LEARN from. It's like don't fück us else we put your head on the pike.

I think mas worst ang corruption if mag federalism ta, considering...

1. more politicians and govt employees in a federal govt.. hence more corruption.
2. political dynasty in certain regions mas grabe pa. politicians sa federal state had more authority and money to work around.
3. certain clan are dominating a certain provinces already, i dont think its best to give them more control.
eg the Ampatuan clan pila na amass nila na wealth,
4. check and balance, unlike bigger cities like sa NCR where people do mass protests; some regions are not used to it therefore abuses may not be check on that state.
5. underdeveloped media - im pretty certain that some region may not have a develop media, there information or leads to corruption may never see the light of day.

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Somalia is a Parliamentary Republic., not a total federal state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Government_of_Somalia

many federal nations had parliamentary style of govt.

[Apollo24]

READ BETWEEN THE LINES. I said "we cant compare each country on the type of govt and prosperity" its one thought. It means certain type of govt is not a recipe for success. I gave example that Somalia had federal govt and yet not progressive, And China had a centralized govt and soon to surpass US economy.

TYPE OF GOVT - differs hence theres a comparison
PROSPERITY by means of GDP data - differs by each country hence theres a comparison
TYPE OF GOVT and PROSPERITY - now tell me, do you have a data on that ? is it well accepted ? recipe na for success ?


In the battle of wits, its clear you unarmed. In your desperation to score 1 against me, made you to resolve by twisting my words.. how pitiful

Dont compare me to you, forcing people your views that "pagingkod palang ni Penoy nikusog ang economy" when the Palace had said "we were force to make DAP cause our economy slowed" even your fellow yellow doesnt support your view


You keep mocking me ha, prepare for my payback.

Ha... For the last 2 years.. . GDP Growth under sa Term ni Abnoy kay 2013- 7.2% ug 2014 - 6.1%.... Naay former President nakahimo ana? even your idol Madam GMA wala kahimo ana...

Prosperity means- pag-uswag o paglambo... Gipamulong mo na na dli pde ma compare ang Thailand ug ang Philippines kay laen2x ug form of Government... Lisod ang Philippines kay daghan agian sa pagpalabang sa Budget..
KLARO PA NI SA UDTONG TUTOK :

cmon we cant compare each country on the type of govt and prosperity, certainly there are more factors like their policy, leaders, natural resources, etc.

[Apollo24]

I think mas worst ang corruption if mag federalism ta, considering...

1. more politicians and govt employees in a federal govt.. hence more corruption.
2. political dynasty in certain regions mas grabe pa. politicians sa federal state had more authority and money to work around.
3. certain clan are dominating a certain provinces already, i dont think its best to give them more control.
eg the Ampatuan clan pila na amass nila na wealth,
4. check and balance, unlike bigger cities like sa NCR where people do mass protests; some regions are not used to it therefore abuses may not be check on that state.
5. underdeveloped media - im pretty certain that some region may not have a develop media, there information or leads to corruption may never see the light of day.

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Federal Government of Somalia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

many federal nations had parliamentary style of govt.

Depende Bro Meo kung ang modala murag imong idol c GMA or c Binay ba hinoon.... Bisan unsa pay Form of Goverment sa Pilipinas, rampant japon ang Kawat.. Kay ang kawatan mangita jud ug paage... Bisan sa atong palibot naa nay CCTV, mangawat pa man gane...

[Romeojin]

Ha... For the last 2 years.. . GDP Growth under sa Term ni Abnoy kay 2013- 7.2% ug 2014 - 6.1%.... Naay former President nakahimo ana? even your idol Madam GMA wala kahimo ana...

Prosperity means- pag-uswag o paglambo... Gipamulong mo na na dli pde ma compare ang Thailand ug ang Philippines kay laen2x ug form of Government... Lisod ang Philippines kay daghan agian sa pagpalabang sa Budget..
KLARO PA NI SA UDTONG TUTOK :

Lisod man gyud ka kasabot as proven palang sa other thread. ultimo graph di pa ka analyze, lalison pa gyud.

Ang thread adto was based on GDP not TYPE of GOVT and PROSPERITY. Of course GDP data varies naa gyud comparison, nagmention ba diay ta sa type of government didto, diba wala ? but for the record pareho lang man centralized and govt sa Philippines ug Thailand. Nabiyaan lang gyud ta paingkod ni Penoy

Sunod mo contradict ka sa imong giingon, na pareho ra na sa negosyo more capital more profit. mas dako man ang base GDP ron so mas dako pud ang increase. unsa man naka achievement ni Penoy ana ? and ang 6% growth sa Thailand is stil bigger than our 7%, clearly kulang atong growth base on the current GDP.

Ikaw ra man naghimo politics sa other thread, GDP lang man tana to. Gipa.compare pa gyud ko sa kay Penoy ug GMA, unsaon pag compare sa ilang achivements kung wa tay reference point, the only reference point adto is comparing changes of GDP gap base of Thailand and Philippine GDP growth.

Mahadlok man gud stambay sa Penoy thread, mao i.hijack nlng ang other threads lol.

Depende Bro Meo kung ang modala murag imong idol c GMA or c Binay ba hinoon.... Bisan unsa pay Form of Goverment sa Pilipinas, rampant japon ang Kawat.. Kay ang kawatan mangita jud ug paage... Bisan sa atong palibot naa nay CCTV, mangawat pa man gane...

in short... Bogo lang gyud mutuo anang daang matuwid. Nagpailad sa Abnoy hahaha.

[30121895]

NAA na puy ga cgeg hisgut og gdp growth dere... Lol..

[chinitz22]

mao lagi ning problem sa mga abnoy supporter oi. always talking about the PAST ( gma ) and FUTURE ( binay or whoever ) ... it's not the PRESENT ( abnoy ) ... wala man gani nahimu si abnoy sa corruption karon.

Naa nasad ning mga ampaw nga sore looser suppoert ni Gibo ampaw teodoro ay di pa kadawat sa kapildihan til now,,lol
Always consider the president cannot run the goverment alone labi na sa mga classi sa mga two karon pakata lang ug speculate.