Is it right to call all of us children of God or we love God?

[boxingfan529]

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The title of being the children of God to israel has been remove to them due to their transgression.

That's why he said "seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness" mat 6:33.
But there are still Israelites in SPIRIT. Gentiles and Israelites are one when Jesus came.

Peace!

that my friend i agree with you.

[rcruman]

Ironside,

You know my friend remove your anger then you will understand everything.
We say that Solomon says an Honest mistake. He says that because the technology exist during that time.
THen about debating Ecclesiastes 8:17 that it does not refer to creatures then its up to you my friend.
You rely your explanation with your own understanding. When we use that verse we never explained it we leave it like that. But for you, you put words which was can be found in your head.

Stop referring to other books aside from bible,
Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them. Isaiah 34:16.

Stop referring to man like kuya kim, this is not earthly things we talk about spiritual and God's word.

You really hate soriano and us as his members.

You keep on giving hypothetical questions and example, be biblical my friend because you will be mislead.

Continue asking my friend and don't think that i will answer whats in your head and own understanding.
Let us be biblical.

Peace!

[Ironside]

i accept your non-rebuttal of my post. [Ironside facing the judge]: That's all your honor. The defense did not counter.



About Soriano:



Let me repeat myself: I am not angry with Mr. Soriano. I do not subscribe to his teachings that's all. And get this I do not hate ADD guys........if you only know.....ayaw nalang....dili nalang nako idayon


I thought nga mag exchange tag ideas diri my friend. Kung naa diay mo dissent sa teaching sa imong leader nasuko na diay na?


And what book do you mean? FYI: My post above are mine originally. I did not quote those words from somebody's book. I wrote those words.

Bai FYI ra na bai ha

[rcruman]

My Friend compose yourself again, i say that your angry or hate us because the way you reply.
As i've told you that you never answer my one of my question then you keep on acting like a child.

Tell me my friend do you believe in Jesus Christ alone or do you believe in God Almighty?
And also your church tell me the name. Are you a born again?

Peace!

[Ironside]

My Friend compose yourself again, i say that your angry or hate us because the way you reply.
As i've told you that you never answer my one of my question then you keep on acting like a child.

Tell me my friend do you believe in Jesus Christ alone or do you believe in God Almighty?
And also your church tell me the name. Are you a born again?

Peace!

following the good advice of a brother. i shall changed my appoach to you Rcruman.


Let me repeat myself again. i am not angry with Mr. S. or his members. I acquired my straight and direct approach from a religious cult leader before. i thought that you can take such approach my friend rcruman since your leader talks straight and direct.

I am not angry with Mr.S. and his members.

okay my friend.

[Ironside]

Tell me my friend do you believe in Jesus Christ alone or do you believe in God Almighty?
And also your church tell me the name. Are you a born again?



1) "Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me."


a verse says: "who through Him [Jesus Christ] believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God."

2) I am born again. all Christians are.

[rcruman]

Then we settle in this matter my friend, thanks for your brother who enlightened you.

You mentioned in your previous post that our church doesn't mention about the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Let me ask you again, thus by discussing about the death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ matters or the teaching and gospel are the
main reason why he came here? WHen Jesus Chirst died on the cross thus it means that all of us (except children and special people) are saved already or does we need to do in order to be saved?

YOu said that you're a born again, do you believe in church or you believe in fellowship and faith alone?
What's with the death and resurrection of Christ if it was not meant for us who just accept and forget his teaching which is the gospel.

In this my friend we can talk a lot.
But be reminded that when someone offers you a bread don't ask for a sandwich spread.
What's in the bible don't put or search other meaning just to satisfy your own understanding.
If you just notice I site the verse and live as is.

Peace!

[Ironside]

You mentioned in your previous post that our church doesn't mention about the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Let me ask you again, thus by discussing about the death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ matters or the teaching and gospel are the
main reason why he came here?


1) Mr 10:45 "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."


2) Before Paul taught the Corinthians about love, giving, holiness etc. He first preached to them the good news of salvation of the Lord Jesus Christ:


1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures,

4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures;


This is corroborated by:

1Co 2:1 And I, brothers, when I came to you, did not come with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring to you the testimony of God.

2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.


That was the first thing he preached to unbelievers in Corinth. When these guys trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ alone for salvation, Paul then began to teach them about love, holiness, righteousness etc.


When one trusts in Christ alone for salvation, the Holy Spirit will indwell him. As a result [if the believer walks in the Spirit] he will bear the fruits of the Spirit:


First, Trust in Christ alone for salvation:

Eph 1:13 in whom also you, hearing the word of truth, the gospel of our salvation, in whom also believing, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,


Wht ws the result of their believing or trusting in Christ? They were sealed with the HOly Spirit.


Believing there means trust. Not head belief. All who trusts believes, but not all who has belief trusts.


Second, when the Holy Spirit is now indwelling the sinnner upon trusting in Christ alone for salvation, what happens?

He has now power to live righteously. If he walks in the Spirit, he will bear the fruits of the Spirit:


Ga 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith,

23 meekness, self-control;................



The doctrine about prayer, worship, giving etc. are all given to those who are ALREADY Christians. They do not make one a Christian, they are the life of a Christian walking in the Spirit.

For example: 1 Corinthians 13. the Love Chapter. To whom was this great doctrine taught? To non-Christians or to those who are already Christians? to those who are already Christians. How did they become Christians? They heard the good news of salvation wrought by the DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST for sinners, they trusted in that finished work, they became Christians.





WHen Jesus Chirst died on the cross thus it means that all of us (except children and special people) are saved already or does we need to do in order to be saved?


Salvation is SUFFICIENT for all but EFFICIENT only to those who trust in Christ alone for salvation.



YOu said that you're a born again, do you believe in church or you believe in fellowship and faith alone?


Yeah i believe in the Church. The Lord Jesus built it. But people in the Church, fellowship with each other.

Ac 2:41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized. And the same day there were added about three thousand souls.

42 And they were continuing steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine, and in fellowship and in the breaking of the loaves, and in prayers.



In our church, we fellowship.




What's with the death and resurrection of Christ if it was not meant for us who just accept and forget his teaching which is the gospel.

The death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ is everything. Without it there is no forgiveness of sins. No salvation. "......without shedding of blood there is no remission."


The gospel is not a set of instructions. The gospel is simply good news. when you deliver a news you don't give out instructions. You tell people what good that happened that benefits them. Telling people to pray is not telling a good news, it's giving out instructions. telling people to love, is not good news, its again giving out instructions.

The good news is the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. What He did on the cross of Calvary. though there are aspects of the Gospel, like the good news of the kingdom. but it is all anchored on the Lord Jesus Christ.

The one who died on Calvary was the Lord Jesus Christ, the one who is KIng. The king died on the cross for sinners and resurrected again.

[rcruman]

Ironside wrote:

The gospel is not a set of instructions. The gospel is simply good news. when you deliver a news you don't give out instructions. You tell people what good that happened that benefits them. Telling people to pray is not telling a good news, it's giving out instructions. telling people to love, is not good news, its again giving out instructions.

Where did you read this or this is just your interpretation about the gospel.

Apostle Paul says:
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16.

Can you be save without doing or obeying the gospel?

Then my other question,

Ironside wrote:
The doctrine about prayer, worship, giving etc. are all given to those who are ALREADY Christians. They do not make one a Christian, they are the life of a Christian walking in the Spirit.

Is it we will be called Christian if we follow these things or we will be Christian first then follow these things?

Who particular people are being purchased by Jesus with his Blood?
Many can claim that they're Christians.

You mention Believe, Trust..... do we need not to labor?

Peace!

[Ironside]

Where did you read this or this is just your interpretation about the gospel.



Paul said so:
Paul declares the Good News which he PREACHED [past tense], which the Corinthians recieved, in which the Corinthians were standing. here read it:


1Co 15:1 Now I declare to you, brothers, the Good News which I preached to you, which also you received, in which you also stand,


Through the Good News daw they were saved [verse 2 below], if they hold firmly the word which he preached to them [ again verse 2 below]. What did Paul preach to them? Look up the verse above, it was the Gospel or Good News which he preached to them. The Good News is the word which he preached to them that they became saved. Read below:


2 by which also you are saved, if you hold firmly the word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain.


. What did Paul delivered to them that the Corinthians recieved in verse 1, that they became saved? The Good News [look up verse 1]. What is the good news? Look Below, Paul states the good news: It is the death and resurrection of the LOrd Jesus Christ for sinners. Read it:


3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,

4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,



Apostle Paul says:
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16.

Can you be save without doing or obeying the gospel?



NO. one must trust or believe in the Gospel, the good news of salvation wrought by the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Look Below:

Ro 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the Good News of Christ, for it is the power of God for salvation for everyone who believes; for the Jew first, and also for the Greek.




The Gospel is the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ for the sins of sinners



1) What is the Gospel daw? "It is the power of God for salvation."

2) What is the Gospel gani? What the Lord Jesus Christ did on the cross of Calvary when He died for our sins and resurrected again. That is the Gospel.


Awa ha....take note of what i underlined above. Those words: "IT IS THE POWER OF GOD FOR SALVATION".<----------Paul will repeat that statement in another epistle. And it does not refer to a set of instructions but to the cross of Christ on Calvary.

Here read it:


1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those being lost, but to us being saved, it is the power of God.


What is the power of God? The preaching of the cross. What about the cross? The Son of God died there for our sins and resurrected that if you trust in what He did, you will be saved. That is the power of God. That is the Gospel. Here read it again:



1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those being lost, but to us being saved, it is the power of God.



Ro 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ------->, for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes,



just asking my friend ha?


Liman ka ana kato kunong "lost" ang cross ni Christ foolishness ra nila. Walay importansya. Ikaw my friend, is the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ important to your group? Kung importante, why is it not given prominence in your "evangelism" and indoctrinations? Paul said: I delivered to you FIRST OF ALL, that Christ died for our sins and resurrected again.


Then kung FIRST OF ALL kang Paul ang death and resurrection ni Christ ngano dili man FIRST OF ALL sa inyo?




Then my other question,


The doctrine about prayer, worship, giving etc. are all given to those who are ALREADY Christians. They do not make one a Christian, they are the life of a Christian walking in the Spirit.

Is it we will be called Christian if we follow these things or we will be Christian first then follow these things?


Those things are Holy things----> prayer, worship, giving etc. For one to do those things TRULY. One must have the Holy Spirit indwelling in him.


How can one have the Holy Spirit? By trusting in Christ alone for salvation.


Who particular people are being purchased by Jesus with his Blood?


Christ died for all that's why he is potentially the Savior of all. But His atonement is only effectual to those who believe or trust in Him alone for salvation. Those who are effectually atoned by the blood of the Savior becomes part of His body the Church.

Did Christ die for all sinners? Yes

Did Christ die for the Church? EFFECTUALLY yes




You mention Believe, Trust..... do we need not to labor?


Oh yes, after what my Lord has done for me ON THE CROSS, I should LABOR for him.

to be saved? No. it is because I am saved, that is why i labor for the Lord. I will show my love for HIm by keeping His commandments, by loving the brethren etc. My labor for Him cannot save me. No. It was His "labor" for me that i got saved.


I don't serve to be saved. Rather, I was saved to serve. I serve because I am saved by the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.





1Co 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.


1Th 1:3 remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father,