is sayin this right?

[bluedes]

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I hope you never are put in that situation, and all sane men are scared when there. You do not have to trust me, but you will pray due to your belief that you are going to lose everything. Only a fool believes he will not pray.

There are no Atheist in fox holes.

it's not easy..

i'm reminded of the character in Victor Hugo's Les Miserables.. Jean Valjean.. who had to steal to feed his hungry family, and went to prison for it.. who can fault a man who is "forced" to steal in such a society..

[bluedes]

let us not limit ourselves to physical warfare.. there are other forms of warfare that exist.. everyday is a battle.. life is a constant warfare.. (ex. like office politics, business, romantic relationships)

we have to look beyond good and evil.. let us look at the true nature of humans.. we have conflicts and do harms to others for the sake of our survival.. it is our essence.. we need to secure resources to ensure our survival even if others must perish.. this is the law of the jungle.. the weak shall perish, and the strong shall survive..-the natural selection process.. he who holds power over somethign(like guns, gold, or even food) makes the rules..

in this life. its kill or be killed (not literal murder ha).. if you have an advantage exploit it to the maximum.. if you dont, find something that will give you an edge.. or else, you will be left behind, worse youll end up dead..

the reality of life is that it is brutal... the only rule is that there are no rules.. we may appear civilized but deep inside each of us, there is the desire to subjugate each other..

my only prayer is that "Lord, let me not lose courage on the field of battle.. and give me strength to do what i must do"

the defeated and the vanquished will cry as being victims.. they will turn to religion or morals to cry injustice done to them, but in truth, it is only the way the can prevent feeling shame for their failure to secure their resources.. they will live on a state of denial.. they may writhe on their self created hell as the victors celebrate the victory and ensure the future of its people and of its culture...

the world is a harsh place.. if you dont have the guts.. you wont last long..

"Father, forgive me for what i am to do.. if you cannot forgive me, then you are not my Father"


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nice guys finish last..

"fortune is a woman, she favors the young and the bold, to tame her, one must beat her and subdue her"- Niccolo Machiavelli

"i came, i saw, i conquered" - Napoleon bonaparte

no offense, bro, but that is the philosophy of one who is clinging to this life and this physical universe..

when it is my time to die, i shall embrace it with a smile on my face and look at death with eyes of peace and love.. *char*

[grovestreet]

let us not limit ourselves to physical warfare.. there are other forms of warfare that exist.. everyday is a battle.. life is a constant warfare.. (ex. like office politics, business, romantic relationships)

we have to look beyond good and evil.. let us look at the true nature of humans.. we have conflicts and do harms to others for the sake of our survival.. it is our essence.. we need to secure resources to ensure our survival even if others must perish.. this is the law of the jungle.. the weak shall perish, and the strong shall survive..-the natural selection process.. he who holds power over somethign(like guns, gold, or even food) makes the rules..

in this life. its kill or be killed (not literal murder ha).. if you have an advantage exploit it to the maximum.. if you dont, find something that will give you an edge.. or else, you will be left behind, worse youll end up dead..

the reality of life is that it is brutal... the only rule is that there are no rules.. we may appear civilized but deep inside each of us, there is the desire to subjugate each other..

my only prayer is that "Lord, let me not lose courage on the field of battle.. and give me strength to do what i must do"

the defeated and the vanquished will cry as being victims.. they will turn to religion or morals to cry injustice done to them, but in truth, it is only the way the can prevent feeling shame for their failure to secure their resources.. they will live on a state of denial.. they may writhe on their self created hell as the victors celebrate the victory and ensure the future of its people and of its culture...

the world is a harsh place.. if you dont have the guts.. you wont last long..

"Father, forgive me for what i am to do.. if you cannot forgive me, then you are not my Father"


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nice guys finish last..

"fortune is a woman, she favors the young and the bold, to tame her, one must beat her and subdue her"- Niccolo Machiavelli

"i came, i saw, i conquered" - Napoleon bonaparte

and it seems that your ideology is the one that's dominating right now, and even for the past thousands of years.

If a mind capitulates to the thought that there's just not enough resources for all of us, is a mind that lacks innovative solutions. We are no longer living in the jungle, we have developed tools to achieve abundance but it seems our deeply held social institutions that are running this darwininian mentality is what's keeping us from achieving this.
It is only common sense that a society based on this principle will eventually destroy itself. But hey who cares right? Those who die with the most toys wins.

[Existanz]

is sayin "Lord, forgive me for what i am about to do" right? i know that God will still forgive you but is this acceptable?

Sometimes man gud naay situation nga di jud nimo malikayan to do something bad because the situation required you have to do it since during that time, perhaps you realized na mas greater evil ang mahitabo if you choose not act on something you deemed evil in the eyes of God.

So by force of reasons despite your troubling conscience you act upon it, hoping your reason will be acceptable for God's forgiveness...perhaps this already a form of repentance even before the deed had been done.

Of course this will not be alright with other men whose minds are filled with false hope of self achieving perfection in this world but we can't really fathoms God mercy, so we can't thiink how God would see other people's shortcomings more than our's also...we can only hope that He will forgive us.

But sometimes people's guilt are so intense that even they can not learn to forgive themselves...they realized the gravity of their sins yet too prideful or angry enough for God for their situation that they simply hardened their resolves against repentance and refuse God's ever present mercy to those who fail from time to time...God does not really condemn people, it's only people condemning themselves by refusing God's mercy.

[bluedes]

Sometimes man gud naay situation nga di jud nimo malikayan to do something bad because the situation required you have to do it since during that time, perhaps you realized na mas greater evil ang mahitabo if you choose not act on something you deemed evil in the eyes of God.

So by force of reasons despite your troubling conscience you act upon it, hoping your reason will be acceptable for God's forgiveness...perhaps this already a form of repentance even before the deed had been done.

malikayan na oi.. u just chose not to.. we always have a choice.. to resolve to do what you say is similar to just being downright irresponsible.. why include God in the situation you are in? that's a pretty lame excuse..

if you do not take responsibility for your actions, then it will haunt you for a long time.. especially when u are trying to include God in the responsible process.. a man of responsibility accepts the consequences of his actions, moves on, and lives with it. if he has nightmares, then so be it.. he *should* have known that before he did it.. its not easy.. but acceptance is the key, and making peace with your own actions along with the consequences it has brought upon you AND others..

there is no space for God in that.. its either you choose to do it, or not..

Of course this will not be alright with other men whose minds are filled with false hope of self achieving perfection in this world but we can't really fathoms God mercy, so we can't thiink how God would see other people's shortcomings more than our's also...we can only hope that He will forgive us.

But sometimes people's guilt are so intense that even they can not learn to forgive themselves...they realized the gravity of their sins yet too prideful or angry enough for God for their situation that they simply hardened their resolves against repentance and refuse God's ever present mercy to those who fail from time to time...God does not really condemn people, it's only people condemning themselves by refusing God's mercy.

including God in our decisions only messes up for what we think is right.. its an abuse and a profanity to God to do such things.. i really don't see why you have to ask for God's permission to do a bad thing.. that's really lame.. and only leaves as an excuse to do something evil..

what you should be doing instead is to pray for another alternative.. and that means putting on hold your current choice of action for something that may come in the future.. patience is a virtue.. choosing not to fight is a virtue.. peace is a virtue.. letting go and not thinking that you can wield the future into your own hands is a virtue..

[Existanz]

malikayan na oi.. u just chose not to.. we always have a choice.. to resolve to do what you say is similar to just being downright irresponsible.. why include God in the situation you are in? that's a pretty lame excuse..

if you do not take responsibility for your actions, then it will haunt you for a long time.. especially when u are trying to include God in the responsible process.. a man of responsibility accepts the consequences of his actions, moves on, and lives with it. if he has nightmares, then so be it.. he *should* have known that before he did it.. its not easy.. but acceptance is the key, and making peace with your own actions along with the consequences it has brought upon you AND others..

there is no space for God in that.. its either you choose to do it, or not..



including God in our decisions only messes up for what we think is right.. its an abuse and a profanity to God to do such things.. i really don't see why you have to ask for God's permission to do a bad thing.. that's really lame.. and only leaves as an excuse to do something evil..

what you should be doing instead is to pray for another alternative.. and that means putting on hold your current choice of action for something that may come in the future.. patience is a virtue.. choosing not to fight is a virtue.. peace is a virtue.. letting go and not thinking that you can wield the future into your own hands is a virtue..

Daghan na ko'y na-adtoan nga christian forum pero wa pa gyud naka-expound sa akoa ug sakto kung naa ba gyud ta'y justification to kill other people if in case our own life is at stake...wala pa man noun ko diha nga situation and I hope nad pray God will not put me to such test or situation, kay I think I will give no quarter for a person who will going to hurt my self or my family...even if I'm a trying hard christian I already sense that I would willfully take a another man's life for self-defense, and that I have already confessed with God...

Don't think I don't take any responsibility for any of my action, my son's was christened Soren Kier for that fact.

[bluedes]

Daghan na ko'y na-adtoan nga christian forum pero wa pa gyud naka-expound sa akoa ug sakto kung naa ba gyud ta'y justification to kill other people if in case our own life is at stake...wala pa man noun ko diha nga situation and I hope nad pray God will not put me to such test or situation, kay I think I will give no quarter for a person who will going to hurt my self or my family...even if I'm a trying hard christian I already sense that I would willfully take a another man's life for self-defense, and that I have already confessed with God...

Don't think I don't take any responsibility for any of my action, my son's was christened Soren Kier for that fact.

i'm not saying that you give in immediately to kill or not kill..

there's always a third alternative.. like taking the route of incapacitating your enemy rather than taking his life away by your hands.. if you can do that, then you do justice to the sixth commandment at least.. its written for a reason for men.. (having said that, there is no justification for killing another man at all, its the law.. nobody is above the law.. but the justice system knows also that nobody is given life thru the law, so they invented pardon, by excuse of self-defense or temporary insanity, etc. as an excuse to bend the law, which still goes back to not taking responsibility.. and people who are survivors of self-defense are still haunted.. and i need not mention temporary insanity.. )

the same reasoning can be applied to any form of evil you are "cornered" to do.. it need not be the only course of action.. there is always another way..

[Existanz]

i'm not saying that you give in immediately to kill or not kill..

there's always a third alternative.. like taking the route of incapacitating your enemy rather than taking his life away by your hands.. if you can do that, then you do justice to the sixth commandment at least.. its written for a reason for men.. (having said that, there is no justification for killing another man at all, its the law.. nobody is above the law.. but the justice system knows also that nobody is given life thru the law, so they invented pardon, by excuse of self-defense or temporary insanity, etc. as an excuse to bend the law, which still goes back to not taking responsibility.. and people who are survivors of self-defense are still haunted.. and i need not mention temporary insanity.. )

the same reasoning can be applied to any form of evil you are "cornered" to do.. it need not be the only course of action.. there is always another way..

They can bend the law of man but I don't think they can bend the Law of God...but I get your point it's a good choice simply to avoid or run if one can still do it in face of a life threatening situation. But sometimes...just sometimes there will come a time it would be a choice between a boiling pot of oil or the fire under the pot...I pray I will not be the one who will make the choice in between..

[bluedes]

They can bend the law of man but I don't think they can bend the Law of God...but I get your point it's a good choice simply to avoid or run if one can still do it in face of a life threatening situation. But sometimes...just sometimes there will come a time it would be a choice between a boiling pot of oil or the fire under the pot...I pray I will not be the one who will make the choice in between..

yeah.. exactly..

i hope also i will not be put to that test as well.. it sucks as hell having to *pay* for your *sins*..
but i'm more on thinking on the lines where: "who am i to complain what fate has brought to me.. i am just a nobody but a servant in this universe.."

[ashcries]

Sometimes, one must do what is right even if it is not alright.

To take the life of an attacker is right even if it is not alright to kill.
Simple.
Self-defense.

And I'm a firm believer in God's forgiveness.