God, suicide???

[tatajhun]

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this is a product for lack of faith and ignorance

korek...hahaha

[SioDenz]

this is a product for lack of faith and ignorance

its better than blindly following on something that you yourself don't even understand.

Faith is Not as simple as saying I believe! it comes with the question Do you Know what you Believed In?
Its impossible to believe on something that you don't know.

[yiennahs]

its better than blindly following on something that you yourself don't even understand.

Faith is Not as simple as saying I believe! it comes with the question Do you Know what you Believed In?
Its impossible to believe on something that you don't know.

i know what i'm saying

[Mike77]

NO never suiside~!

[SioDenz]

i know what i'm saying

Im not referring to you personally, just on your post..

[Resurgence]

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--> Crucifying him doesn't save our sins either but save us as a whole. See my previous comment.[/QUOTE]

Since when are we saved by crucifying the representative of God? Do you understand the meaning you are implying? You are saying that crucifying the representative of God is saving us, as a whole or whatever. Do you even realize the implications of the statement you just made? Since priests, bishops, or whatever "office" in the Church are "representatives" of God, if we crucify them, then that act is saving us from whatever we need saving from, i.e sins, etc. If you say otherwise, what makes them different from Jesus, who simply said that he is the representative of God (John 5:37, )?

To put it in a nutshell bro, you are saying that if we crucify any person that actually does the will of the almighty Father, we are saved. How perverted is that? Do you please God by crucifying his representative, kicking his representative in the face, punching his representative? If you were God, would you find it pleasing to see your Son, who is doing your will, crucified? Again, your beliefs are devoid of or violates the rules of Love, which is what relationships are centered on. As the saying goes, "God is Love".

Now regarding your statement that Jesus is God, and that he became human in order to die on the cross, it is the same with the Impersonalist philosophy in India. They say that God is all-powerful, but sometime descends to this world, forgets that he is God, and suffers miseries just like any mortal. Since when does God become human and have to suffer on the cross just to save mankind from whatever? This is the same as limiting God's power. Since when does God have to sacrifice himself in order to save mankind?

Jesus' sacrifice is this: he came here to teach people that by unconditionally loving the Supreme Father, we can be freed by our sins. Not only that, we will be truly happy. His sacrifice was not through crucifixion, rather by enduring all hardships just to teach people about LOVE FOR GOD. If his crucifixion were the sacrifice that was necessary, he would have never said the following "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." (Luke 23:24). Why do you think he said that following passage? Does it mean that his crucifixion is both a "good" and "bad" thing?

And since you said Judas is now a saint, why not include Caiaphas and the other high priests? Why not include Herod, who tried to kill Jesus Christ when he was born? Why not include those that persecuted the apostles? You declare a "saint" someone who tortured, betrayed, and murdered God's representative? How offensive can you get? Again, the laws of Love. Do you endear yourself to someone you love by becoming friends with their enemy, tormentor, etc? Or by holding their enemies in high regard?

[Resurgence]

if jesus were god then--
i think his death was a waste.
until we still are sinners.
no lesser than 2000 years before.
in fact, we humans even become worse.
we don't only kill people we also kill the earth.

mao lgeh..mao ning pangutanaha nga wa jud matubag sa hierarchy sa Catholic Church..

this is also the reason why I started to search for something else...what they teach is not enough...in fact, contradicting pa kaau.

[carbrill]

if God died for us, does that mean he committed suicide because he knew he was going to die?

nope it is not suicide.. ang interpretation sa suicide is killing oneself.. even though kibaw cya nga patyon...

it is like kanang mga witnesses kibaw cla patyon cla but wa man cla mahimo or let say na assassinate man sila, so di gihapon na considered as suicide...

[akosabni]

if God died for us, does that mean he committed suicide because he knew he was going to die?

yes, it was a suicide mission

The term suicide mission commonly refers to a task which is so dangerous for the people involved that they are not expected to survive.
source: wikipedia

mao, c.guro misahan na bisan mag suicide

[Kenshiro]

Nope its called sacrifice Jesus died for all our sins for us to be forgiven and saved. Christ didn't even die permanently he was resurected so he knows he wont die but just suffer, so its not even close to suicide. if you believe in the resurrection but that is OT.

Suicide is dying for yourself because of a problem or love sick problems ect. Its called dying for nothing.

Sacrifice yourself to save someone has a big difference to suicide. The former is motivated by love, courage and selflessness while the latter is selfishness and foolishness.