ABORTION is it RIGHT or Wrong? Read the situation first.

[tripwire]

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well, in that case, if the woman relies on religion, logically magpa-abort jud xa..
pero if you transcend the biases and prejudices of religion, the woman will allow the child to live..

That is true. This is between religion and her personal decision.

parehas man ni ug typical disney story na unwanted ang child kay anak sa devil kuno, unya love man jud sa mother, so she goes against the advise of the bishop or priest to have the child aborted.. noh?

wa ko kita ani nga movie da'. :P

[bluedes]

Of course not, she will remember what will happen to her BUT she will forget the trauma if she don't see the child being born. Let's consider things will come out fine... but I have good follow up question for you. What will you do if that child gets bullied by his/her classmates? It's superficial yes, but that's reality that you have to face over and over again for the rest of both lives. As I have said, sa Pilipinas.. we are self-righteous society and we pattern our moral obligations though religion. What's different to us is completely different ra ba gyud.

precisely why mothers hide the fact that the child was born out of rape..
the girls would not know of it until they come of age.. 18 or 21.. and usually, dili ang mother mu-disclose.

[KASAAC]

Of course not, she will remember what will happen to her BUT she will forget the trauma if she don't see the child being born. Let's consider things will come out fine... but I have good follow up question for you. What will you do if that child gets bullied by his/her classmates? It's superficial yes, but that's reality that you have to face over and over again for the rest of both lives. As I have said, sa Pilipinas.. we are self-righteous society and we pattern our moral obligations though religion. What's different to us is completely different ra ba gyud.

I think you are being pessimistic ma'am. And why will the child be bullied by his classmates?

[tripwire]

Is that an excuse? if that's your answer then I guess you are being insensitive.
If the child will remind the mother (not in general) of her "traumatic-raped" past well abortion, I think is not the only option and the ultimate solution. You can always give the child to family who doesn't have the capabilities to bear a child.

NO, that's not an excuse. That is a complete fact. Can you put yourself inside the baby's situation? Can you think of feelings, morals while inside the womb? Dili man tingali. Insensitive? not even.

Give the child for adoption? Yes, that is an option and I don't deny that and it's a remarkable choice. What if the girl don't want the child put up for adoption? If she then decides - world turns... that child will find it's way back finding her/his biological parents.

[tripwire]

I think you are being pessimistic ma'am. And why will the child be bullied by his classmates?

That's not pessimistic - that's one of those things that the child will face... and that's reality not fantasy.

[tripwire]

precisely why mothers hide the fact that the child was born out of rape..
the girls would not know of it until they come of age.. 18 or 21.. and usually, dili ang mother mu-disclose.

Correct. Do you have complete peace during 18 or 21 years?

[bluedes]

nobody has complete peace man jud.. if that were the case, wala na ta dire, naa na ta heaven..

to each her own in handling the troubles within.. but if you stop thinking about it, the emotions will fade away.. besides, it would be really ridiculous na pud na every day ma-troubled ang woman ba.. every hour every second.. there are ups and downs, and in those times, i'm sure the woman will know better not to "explode" in front of her child.. otherwise, aww prime scene na ni ug teleserye.. (i can just imagine)

[KASAAC]

That's not pessimistic - that's one of those things that the child will face... and that's reality not fantasy.

You think after knowing the whole truth the public reactions are of yours? I don't think so....be more optimistic and you'll discover the wonders of conserving life.

[KASAAC]

Your circumstances may be uncongenial, but they shall not remain so if you only perceive an ideal and strive to reach it. You cannot travel within and stand still without.

Let a person radically alter his thoughts, and he will be astonished at the rapid transformation it will effect in the material conditions of his life. -James Allen

[kebot]

Fail? Who said it failed? That's not excuse sir kebot. That's logical reason. Do you think we don't ask for God's mercy? Why do you think it's a expense? Tell me the exact reason why you thought asking His mercy is an expense to Him?


So raping has it's purpose now? I think all christians will be happy with this because if they rape a girl it is not accident but a purpose. This is twisted logic! What happens to the girl that's been raped? Do you think she will believe that it is not accident but a purpose? Hmmm... I don't know where do you get this ideas sir but you have more things to learn about abortion and it's causes.

You see kebot, there is perfectly good reason why there is justifiable cause about abortion. I'm not saying that I completely agree with it but women will deal this kind of things all the time. I have been a nurse for a long time and I have seen girls - teenagers comes in the ER badly beaten and raped. Physical change will happen in an instant once a girl is raped. You see, you don't understand the ill-effect of a girl's trauma before and after because you don't experience that ever. You can be raped but you will not get pregnant. That's the reality there. Now, if God purports to an issue that it has a purpose... then God misled us. But if God will understand that women is as fragile as a glass.. then God is merciful and He will understand what women will go through.

If you give sympathy then you should support the person's decision rather instigate her with fear and despair that God will not forgive you for the things you do. I suppose your religiosity is perplexing if you don't see what they will go through life.

Again, what will happen in the near future if that child is a constant reminder of the crime? Who will get benefits from that? In our country, we are "self-righteous" nut over something different. What will happen to that child when he or she goes to school? What will happen if their grandparents will not respect him/her? What will happen if that child goes to the same path as the rapist [if he's a boy]? What will happen if that child will go to the same "purpose" when she's a teenager and gets raped also?

You see kebot, abortion is a constant struggle between religion and personal decision. If you weigh things properly, God will always be there to help no matter what the outcome.

Tell me the exact reason why you thought asking His mercy is an expense to Him?
- you are trying to abuse his mercy as hostage to your will. Brad no matter how i explain if you don't believe it then its pointless.

So raping has it's purpose now?
-My God has been crucified for a purpose... They scourge him for no reason... so? Brad, is there a reason? only god knows why. I cannot explain things. I just believe.

Well if that's how you take it brad, takes more than that to convince us its RIGHT.... your reason for taking away life is not sufficient to justify your claim... You are using sympathy to persuade others that this is RIGHT. I tell you, you better get a better more solid moral basis than sympathy.