Bible question: Is there a verse stating that Mary/Saints can hear our pleas?

[regnauld]

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Book of what? can you be more specific. or is it WISDOM as proper noun. if thats the case... No. there is no book in the Jewish Bible as Book of Wisdom.

Well you forgot THE BOOK OF WISDOM in the bible!

Better luck next time bro!

Book of Wisdom or Wisdom of Solomon or simply Wisdom is one of the deuterocanonical books of the Bible. It is one of the seven Sapiential or wisdom books of the Septuagint Old Testament, which includes Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon (Song of Songs), and Ecclesiasticus (Sirach).
NOTE: the Book of Wisdom must not be confused with Sirach, by Ben Sira, also known as Wisdom of Jesus son of Sirach, Wisdom of Ben Sira, (or Sirach) or Ecclesiasticus, a work from the second century BC, originally written in Hebrew.
According to St. Melito in the second century AD, it was considered canonical by Jews and Christians,[1] and a Hebrew translation of the Wisdom of Solomon is mentioned by Naḥmanides in the preface to his commentary on the Pentateuch.



Book of Wisdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[handsoff241]

if you are a Catholic Bro this is where our worship differs. Its the doctrine bro. We dont pray to anyone except Christ. I am the way the truth and the life... Its clearly stated bro and you cannot find anyother way to worship and pray God via-proxy.

We already explained about this, the church Jesus instituted is still intact as He promised. You are the defectors.

By the way, you're answer is a bit off the target. This thread is about an inquiry, if you are looking for a place to whine about what you believe, make a new thread, I will follow you there.

[kebot]

We already explained about this, the church Jesus instituted is still intact as He promised. You are the defectors.

By the way, you're answer is a bit off the target. This thread is about an inquiry, if you are looking for a place to whine about what you believe, make a new thread, I will follow you there.

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sorry bro I believe im not off Target. Ill clarify then.

Bible question: Is there a verse stating that Mary/Saints can hear our pleas?
No. There is no such verse. Beyond that is Men's Creation/add-on to the Bible. The question is logically preceeded, WHATEVER YOUR ANSWER SHOW YOUR PROOF. Then my proof is the Original Bible and thats what I believe in. If this is not acceptable. Then discussion without proof is just a plain opinion and subjective in essence.

You are the defectors.
Can you provide proof or sorts so we can believe you. It seems you are speaking it on your own to get attention I'd rather talk to somebody that are credible.

[kebot]

Well you forgot THE BOOK OF WISDOM in the bible!

Better luck next time bro!

Book of Wisdom or Wisdom of Solomon or simply Wisdom is one of the deuterocanonical books of the Bible. It is one of the seven Sapiential or wisdom books of the Septuagint Old Testament, which includes Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon (Song of Songs), and Ecclesiasticus (Sirach).
NOTE: the Book of Wisdom must not be confused with Sirach, by Ben Sira, also known as Wisdom of Jesus son of Sirach, Wisdom of Ben Sira, (or Sirach) or Ecclesiasticus, a work from the second century BC, originally written in Hebrew.
According to St. Melito in the second century AD, it was considered canonical by Jews and Christians,[1] and a Hebrew translation of the Wisdom of Solomon is mentioned by Naḥmanides in the preface to his commentary on the Pentateuch.



Book of Wisdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Well for me its the heart that matters not Wisdom to some Wisdom is everything.

I think you are refering to this earlier. My apology bro in the term Book of Wisdom.
Yea they call Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon (Song of Songs), and Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) as the book of wisdom. I only knew them by the name of the book not the Group.

Ok ill answer you with it.

If you will read this book it describe not your wisdom not my wisdom but God's Wisdom. The story of Job is a Great Example. LISTEN,

Job is a very wealthy man in his time and God took his Flock his people his Sons and Daughter and even his clothes he suffered because of his faith. Satan made an agreement with God to test the FAITH(not wisdom) of Job and God did allow. One time in his suffering Job ask God to take his life because he cannot bear the suffering in human terms. He was alone, suffering from desease, no clothes... some situation i could not recall. One time Job Question God and God Answers(Gods Wisdom) and in wrath he said to Job. Did I not created Everything... Well the story ended, Job lives for many years and multiplied his wealth many times and that he got new sons and daughters.

Job lost everything— agribusiness, children, health and community respect - and found faith at the bottom of this pain-filled displacement. (Job 1-3 and 32:1- 42:17)

TSK TSK TSk. Bad Idea, to refer yourself with the Bible.

Bro I said wisdom is not everything its heart. Faith is based on your heart. Faith is not Logical by the way. Logical things is based on Wisdom.

Therefore the Book of Wisdom is does not conflict what I said. The word wisdom there refers to the WISDOM OF GOD.

[regnauld]

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Well for me its the heart that matters not Wisdom to some Wisdom is everything.

I think you are refering to this earlier. My apology bro in the term Book of Wisdom.
Yea they call Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon (Song of Songs), and Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) as the book of wisdom. I only knew them by the name of the book not the Group.

Ok ill answer you with it.

If you will read this book it describe not your wisdom not my wisdom but God's Wisdom. The story of Job is a Great Example. LISTEN,

Job is a very wealthy man in his time and God took his Flock his people his Sons and Daughter and even his clothes he suffered because of his faith. Satan made an agreement with God to test the FAITH(not wisdom) of Job and God did allow. One time in his suffering Job ask God to take his life because he cannot bear the suffering in human terms. He was alone, suffering from desease, no clothes... some situation i could not recall. One time Job Question God and God Answers(Gods Wisdom) and in wrath he said to Job. Did I not created Everything... Well the story ended, Job lives for many years and multiplied his wealth many times and that he got new sons and daughters.

Job lost everything— agribusiness, children, health and community respect - and found faith at the bottom of this pain-filled displacement. (Job 1-3 and 32:1- 42:17)

TSK TSK TSk. Bad Idea, to refer yourself with the Bible.

Bro I said wisdom is not everything its heart. Faith is based on your heart. Faith is not Logical by the way. Logical things is based on Wisdom.

Therefore the Book of Wisdom is does not conflict what I said. The word wisdom there refers to the WISDOM OF GOD.

WISDOM is the KNOWLEDGE applied of what you have learned and FAITH is just a part of WISDOM!

"FAITH without SCIENCE is BLIND." - Albert Einstein

Do you know the GREEK word for WISDOM?

[handsoff241]

Bible question: Is there a verse stating that Mary/Saints can hear our pleas?
No. There is no such verse. Beyond that is Men's Creation/add-on to the Bible. The question is logically preceeded, WHATEVER YOUR ANSWER SHOW YOUR PROOF. Then my proof is the Original Bible and thats what I believe in. If this is not acceptable. Then discussion without proof is just a plain opinion and subjective in essence.

You did not read my post in the first page didn't you? It contained both biblical and non-biblical (common sense that is) proofs.

You are the defectors.
Can you provide proof or sorts so we can believe you. It seems you are speaking it on your own to get attention I'd rather talk to somebody that are credible.

Defectors? Roman Catholic church is the defector? I don't know about you but we are celebrating the last supper as He instructed and were here for 2000 years already. Our church is even blamed for the plagues and the burning and the looting because we are so old. Our church survived years of national and local wars. We are descendants of the true church Jesus himself made. RC cola soulfully refreshing!

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OT: mr.kebot, you're so addicted to your bible with... the Lord said this... and the Lord said that... BUT, what about what you're thinking? are you even capable of thinking your own thoughts? OR, you just let others think for you? if the latter is your answer, then i pity you. you're attached to your bible that you're starting to be like one of the bible fanatics in here.

[kebot]

OT: mr.kebot, you're so addicted to your bible with... the Lord said this... and the Lord said that... BUT, what about what you're thinking? are you even capable of thinking your own thoughts? OR, you just let others think for you? if the latter is your answer, then i pity you. you're attached to your bible that you're starting to be like one of the bible fanatics in here.

Bro my thoughts and opinion are subject to to errors. I site all my answer to Because it is absolute. Yes bro theres nothing special about me, im just like you. I Play Dota and I play World of Warcraft. When I answer your questions bro I am not saying it based on my human knowledge, I answer it based on scriptures and I look for it. I did not memorize it. Im not really a Bible fanatic Bro, But I will Defend the Bible for those People trying to discredit it. Bro, I you want answer I presented you Biblical Truth. If you dont believe because it ddnt sound Logical to you then it is up to you bro. For Christians reading my thread. I know they affirm or in someway they believe in their hearts. That is my point bro. See it within your hearts not our so called "LOGIC in human TERMS".

human logic IS NOT EQUAL TO GODS LOGIC.

It is up to you to believe in human truth or GODS TRUTH.

No offense.

[regnauld]

Bro my thoughts and opinion are subject to to errors. I site all my answer to Because it is absolute. Yes bro theres nothing special about me, im just like you. I Play Dota and I play World of Warcraft. When I answer your questions bro I am not saying it based on my human knowledge, I answer it based on scriptures and I look for it. I did not memorize it. Im not really a Bible fanatic Bro, But I will Defend the Bible for those People trying to discredit it. Bro, I you want answer I presented you Biblical Truth. If you dont believe because it ddnt sound Logical to you then it is up to you bro. For Christians reading my thread. I know they affirm or in someway they believe in their hearts. That is my point bro. See it within your hearts not our so called "LOGIC in human TERMS".

human logic IS NOT EQUAL TO GODS LOGIC.

It is up to you to believe in human truth or GODS TRUTH.

No offense.

OT: Are you ONE with ANG DATING DAAN by Eli "boy" Soriano? They really really LOVE the BIBLE so much that they cannot live wihout it!

[kebot]

You did not read my post in the first page didn't you? It contained both biblical and non-biblical (common sense that is) proofs.


Defectors? Roman Catholic church is the defector? I don't know about you but we are celebrating the last supper as He instructed and were here for 2000 years already. Our church is even blamed for the plagues and the burning and the looting because we are so old. Our church survived years of national and local wars. We are descendants of the true church Jesus himself made. RC cola soulfully refreshing!

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Bro it is upto God to judge who is Right who is wrong. You can only Judge people the same faith as you are, for it is written. The reason for it is that you might discourage your brethren in doing such wickedness. For the love of God is personal.

Bro, Honestly I do not believe in the Roman Catholic Doctrine. That separates me from them. But telling them they are Defectors might not be a nice way in leading them the right path. You just cannot insult them in what they believe in. I believe presenting facts in Biblical Terms is the only way we can evaluate ourselves and apply these change.

Bro yes I will and I want to celebrate a communion. It is a commandment... it is written ... "Do this as often as you Drink it in Remembrance of me." This is the doctrine I follow and i put my heart into it. But nobody will take that away from me unless I will personally realize im doing it wrong. Not anyone telling me its wrong.

Sorry bro, I got tired of reading all these threads. I just Noticed No one is strong enough to defend the Bible. In my limited knowledge bro I will try. I prayed that God will help me. If you guys think you are right then there is nothing more this thread can do. But destroying each others faith.

IMO: For the readers of this thread, human knowledge, strength and everything always fall short. I know u guys agree. But Christ will be there for you until the end. If you Believe in Him and ACCEPT him as your personal Lord and Saviour. It's not too late for you.

Keep the Faith Christians!