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    Chavit Singson? Ambot na unsa naman ni atong gobyerno oi..

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    Quote Originally Posted by giddyboy View Post
    kini, mao gyud ni murag mahug nga "mortal enemy" sa mga pro-Erap...hikhikhik

    i just dunno how our president appointed someone as Chavit to the position of Deputy National Security Adviser. Honestly, i'm not really against it. First comes to mind is "utang na loob" but i think that's not only it.

    Let's study Chavit's life and career in a nutshell:

    Luis Crisologo "Chavit" Singson (born June 21, 1941) is a Filipino politician. He is the incumbent Governor of the province of Ilocos Sur, PhilS since 1998. He ran for the Senate in the 2007 Elections in the Phils but he lost.

    Gov. Singson started out as a businessman .He then entered politics, becoming a political kingpin in his province for 28 years, and later playing a significant role in Phil politics and democracy. He is currently the Governor of Ilocos Sur, a position he has held for 22 years.

    His Role in EDSA II

    Singson is known to have started EDSA II, when in Oct 2000 he alleged he gave Pres Joseph Estrada Php 400M as payoff from illegal gambling profits. On Oct 16, 2000, he accused the Estrada, as the "lord of all jueteng lords" for receiving 5 million pesos protection money from jueteng every month during his term of presidency. He also accused the president of receiving kickbacks from 170M pesos excise tobacco tax. This is equivalent to taking more than US $10 million in bribes from illegal gambling lords as well as another US$3.4M in tobacco tax kickbacks.

    His exposé ultimately led to the impeachment trial after he accused the President of receiving over P400M in bribes from jueteng operators.

    His Role in the Hello Garci scandal

    In 2005, during the nation's Presidential Hello Garci scandal, Singson claimed he had a tape of a conversation where the jailed president Joseph Estrada stated he was planning to return to power by disposing whoever would lead the transitional gov't after current president Gloria Arroyo resigns.

    (source: wikipedia)

    GMA Slay Plot

    In July 14, 2005, Ilocos Sur Gov. Luis "Chavit" Singson made public yesterday a supposed wiretapped conversation revealing former President Joseph Estrada supposedly orchestrating plans to assassinate President Arroyo and former President Fidel Ramos to make way for a transition government.

    Singson told a a news conference at the Sulo Hotel in Quezon City about the details of the alleged assassination plot against Mrs. Arroyo with Sen. Panfilo Lacson among the key players working behind the scenes to set up a transition government along with Ramos to replace her.

    Ramos, who is supposedly referred to as "Tanda" in the tapes, would subsequently be eliminated by poisoning.

    'CAVIT'* SINGSON* BARES* GMA* SLAY* PLOT

    "Considered as one of the most powerful Filipino politicians, Singson is not known for playing second fiddle to anyone, other than the President. He played a key role in events that led to the ouster of Pres Joseph Estrada in 2001.

    His exposé which led to Estrada's impeachment and forced resignation also led him closer to Ms. Arroyo, who became the biggest beneficiary of the uprising by succeeding Estrada by virtue of her being vice president." ---GMANews.TV

    Hero of EDSA II

    In the national scene, GOVERNOR LUIS “CHAVIT” SINGSON is popularly known as “Hero of EDSA II” after a national uprising where he courageously went against his friend and ally when he publicly accused then President Joseph Ejercito Estrada as the “Lord of all Jueteng Lords.” (source: lpp.gov.ph)

    Father of RA 7171 (Tobacco Excise Tax Law)

    He is popularly known by Ilocos Sur people as the “Father of R.A. 7171” when he authored the Tobacco Excise Tax Law which brought billions of pesos to all tobacco-producing provinces from their mandated 15 percent share in the excise taxes of Virginia Tobacco products. The R.A. 7171 fund releases are pro-rated on the basis of the volume of production per province. The passage of the Tobacco Law is considered as his most notable achievement which benefited tobacco farmers and Ilocos Sur to a great extent, hence his monicker, “Father of R.A. 7171.”

    ILOKANDIA LIVING HERO: Father of the People of Ilocos Sur

    The people regard him as their living hero – “BANNUAR TI ILOKANDIA.” When he entered the gov't service, he bravely herded the goons or “saka-saka” and private armies who sowed terror and disorder back into the folds of law. He was also responsible for dismantling the tobacco blockades which allowed the farmers free trade of their products.

    He was determined to uplift the living conditions of his constituents especially at the grassroots, working double-time for the province’s industrialization. Under his new political mandate, a provincial masterplan was drawn, contracts were inked, infrastructures mushroomed – Ilocos Sur metamorphosed from a third class to a first class province.

    (source:lpp.gov.ph)

    I HOPE THAT ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO bad-mouth Chavit in his being appointed Deputy NSA, study both sides of the fence first, his life, his career, etc... Ky kung tua paka sa Ilocos Sur, giihaw nka sa mga tawo did2, who they firmly believe he is their LIVING HERO...hehe
    Ako wla ko mag question sa kapasidad ni Singson bilang Deputy peace adviser.Ang Akong gi question sa kadaghan sa qualified,nganong siya pa?kung seryoso ang gobyerno sa peace process,wala na unta nila gibahiran sa kolor politika.Murag personalan namn ni between Erap and GMA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by godsaint View Post
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    Kay bisan klaro pa sa hayag iyang na panghimo,nagpabuta-buta gyapon ka.You are even acting as a lawyer to her.
    ha? AFAIK, what i posted were all about Chavit. Nagpa buta-buta diay na? i think u r focusing too much hatred on PGMA that's why.

    Kinsa imo pasabot nga "hayag iyang panghimo"? c GMA? about appointing chavit as deputy adviser? then explain unsa ang "hayag".

    nya nahimo na nuon ko ug "lawyer" ani...butangi!!!

    do u even know who really Chavit Singson is? did u research both sides of his story, or just one side lang?

    i will tell u who is nagpaka buta-buta. It is people like u. Coz anything PGMA will do under the sun, u blindly see them as wrong. Coz ur thinking that Chavit is appointed by no less than your most hated president makes him a not-worthy guy.

    do u know that he is regarded as THE LIVING HERO of Ilokandia?

    do u know that he is the Father of RA 7171? FYI, this bill totally changed many hundreds of lives for the better, especially the tobacco farmers.

    do u know that he is Governor of Ilocos Sur for 22 years and still the current?

    do u know how he made peace and order in his place which was once known as "Land of the Dead"?

    do u know that the once regarded as "ganglord", turned out to be the HERO OF EDSA II now?

    do u know that he prevented the assasination of PGMA (and Ramos) from the hands of Ping Lacson et al by revealing the plot via his intelligence network?

    NOW MY QUESTION: What's your beef with Chavit NOW and REALLY?

    Quote Originally Posted by godsaint View Post
    Ako wla ko mag question sa kapasidad ni Singson bilang Deputy peace adviser.Ang Akong gi question sa kadaghan sa qualified,nganong siya pa?kung seryoso ang gobyerno sa peace process,wala na unta nila gibahiran sa kolor politika.Murag personalan namn ni between Erap and GMA.
    Ok, so now you don't have any beef with Chavit on his "capacity and qualifications" but more on his being why being appointed by Gloria. So now u r why complain why him over others qualified? Isn't he qualified in the first place as u said?

    why, is appointing somebody in office gatuo ka nga walay politika involved? where have u been?

    do u know why it got personal between Erap and GMA?

    from his ouster, to his being involved indirectly to an assassination attempt hatched by your favorite Ping Lacson, u tell me why it should not get personal...
    Last edited by giddyboy; 09-09-2008 at 04:57 PM.

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    Simple lang bro.All that is written about Singson are all lies.Kung wla gani na siya mahadlok nga tumbahon siya ni Erap dili man gani unta na mo pyaet nga involve man diay siya sa jueting ug tobacco excise tax anomaly.Ang iyang pag ka hero wla niya tuyoa.Hero by chance lang to sya bro. Hero sya sa Ilocos kay ang mga tawo didto busog man sa iyang atensyon.parehas lang na bro kang Marcos nga bisag gitawag na nga pinaka corrupt nga tawo sa kalibutan,kung mo run na sa pwesto sa iyang balwarte sure gyapon na nga modaug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by godsaint View Post
    Simple lang bro.All that is written about Singson are all lies.
    Ah so simple ra diay. "All that is written about Singson are all lies.". No wonder.

    Quote Originally Posted by godsaint View Post
    Kung wla gani na siya mahadlok nga tumbahon siya ni Erap dili man gani unta na mo pyaet nga involve man diay siya sa jueting ug tobacco excise tax anomaly.Ang iyang pag ka hero wla niya tuyoa.Hero by chance lang to sya bro.
    kanang "hero by chance" bro, mura nag kad2 salida starring Dustin Hoffman bro. Kaning kang Chavit, iya man gyud gi-witnessan ug gibarugan ang iyang nahibaw-an ug wala niya tago-i. did he have no choice during that time? HE HAS LOTS. that's why i can't think of any way why he is only your "hero by chance". It's like telling us EDSA 1 and EDSA 2 is only "by chance".

    IMHO, he is a "HERO BY CHOICE". yes, he was involved but that's how star witnesses are made of.

    it's like u mean to say also, Ninoy is also a "hero by chance" ky wa man niya planoha iyang pgkamatay?

    "There is a distinction between 'being a hero by choice' and 'being a hero by chance' ".

    Quote Originally Posted by godsaint View Post
    Hero sya sa Ilocos kay ang mga tawo didto busog man sa iyang atensyon.parehas lang na bro kang Marcos nga bisag gitawag na nga pinaka corrupt nga tawo sa kalibutan,kung mo run na sa pwesto sa iyang balwarte sure gyapon na nga modaug.
    there's a big difference between a politician gibusog ang iyang mga tawo due to power and being a dictator than a politician gibusog iyang mga tawo "democratically" thru notable achievements like RA 7171, peace and order, more investments making his province metamorphosed from a third class to a first class province.

    and u cannot compare in any way Ferdie Marcos to Chavit, as in c Ferdie gyud? hikhikhik...Gov Gwen to Gov Chavit cguro pwede kaayo.

    "Many acts of heroism are spur-of-the-moment, split-second decisions. This doesn't mean that a particular hero can't make good plans, but it doesn't mean that they can, either."---Jonathan Rascher, Jyte
    Last edited by giddyboy; 09-09-2008 at 05:27 PM.

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    Giddyboy,dili mo pwede i compare sab ang heroism ni Chavit kang Ninoy.Si Chavit pekeng bayani ,si Ninoy tunay na bayani.Hero by choice diay si Chavit?Dili oi!siya ra ni choose nga mahimo siyang witness so, ka swerte ni Hudas nga nahimong hero.Hes more like a chamelion hiding his true colors.

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    di man jud na malikayan whoever is very close to the administration, matagaan jud og juicy position. mao naman na cycle sa government sa atong country... alangan imo na ihatag na sa opposition or kontra nimo sa politika... di ba?? si chavit kay daku man gud ni natabang sa pagbutang ni GMA pag 2001... pero buyag lang tawn, of all the diehard supporters ni PGMA pa jud, si chavit jud ilang ma-recommend?? mao na question nako... daghan man kaha nag diehard supporters si PGMA who are more qualified than chavit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by godsaint View Post
    Giddyboy,dili mo pwede i compare sab ang heroism ni Chavit kang Ninoy.Si Chavit pekeng bayani ,si Ninoy tunay na bayani.Hero by choice diay si Chavit?Dili oi!siya ra ni choose nga mahimo siyang witness so, ka swerte ni Hudas nga nahimong hero.Hes more like a chamelion hiding his true colors.
    haha. u even mentioned the phrase, "siya ra ni choose nga mahimo siyang witness". Take note the word "choose" ha. Choose is synonymous with choice. So meaning, coz he made that critical "choice", he was later deemed as the hero of edsa 2. Call that chance? No, i call that destiny. Destiny is choice.

    and let me say that if i say "hero by choice", it is not only the person that made a critical choice in life but by the people who chose to look up to him now as their hero as a result of that choice.

    and no, i didn't compare Ninoy as his heroism w/ Chavit. You didn't get my point. I was merely making my point across on the distinction between "hero by choice" and "hero by chance".

    one point im going to make also is his achievements in his province. So what u mean is that all his endeavors to make his province from a 3rd class to 1st class, a more peaceful community, more motivated farmers, making him the Ilokandia Living Hero, is just "by chance"? no, no, no my friend.

    and personally, i don't even want to call Chavit any of those hero types, whether by choice or your insisted by chance..coz im not from Ilocos Sur. I just want to call him a star witness. But hey, you can't blame them. Can u?

    Ok, let's bring back to the issue of Chavit whether he qualifies or not for the juicy position of Deputy NSA. In some ways, i found him qualified like the others, but he should have at least an experience from the military or police to be a National Security Adviser like in the US. Anyway, "deputy" pa man sab cya. Norberto Gonzales is still on top of him.

    As to PGMA's choice why Chavit, aw wa natay mahims ana...that's the prerogative of the president. I'm sure she has her reasons. Im sure she knows she will be questioned. Im sure she knows daghan mag bagutbot...apil na c Erap and Lacson ini.
    Last edited by giddyboy; 09-09-2008 at 07:53 PM.

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    Whatever reasons nga isulti sa palasyo ug sa iyang mga supporters,dili gyud nila mahimakak ang ilang tinuod nga rason sa pagka appoint kay Singson.Personal strike against opposition ug bayad utang.

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    na hala! kamo bai i-appoint bi lalim ba! hehehe

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