House ends 'Hello Garci' probe.

[LytSlpr]

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Erap was an ineffective leader, I agree. But so is GMA. And I know Filipinos can do better than those two incompetents.

LIKE WHO?! ...and how can you successfully put your candidate in malcañang with our system and the current plight and state of mind of the the masa?

call me a cynic but in this country, if gandhi and hitler would run for president, hitler will win by a landslide victory. could you explain that?

i'll give you a more relative example.. if davide would run for president over FPJ and sila lang duha ang candidate, in this country, who do you think would win?

[bfg9000]

LIKE WHO?! ...and how can you successfully put your candidate in malcañang with our system and the current plight and state of mind of the the masa?

Just because we can't think of one doesn't mean we should stop looking. If everyone just says "it's no use, the system will always be corrupt" then there will never be change.

Just recently, we had Roco. Before him we had Ninoy. I'm sure there are others. The youth is the key, sure this generation of politicians may be corrupt but with every new generation there's always hope.

i'll give you a more relative example.. if davide would run for president over FPJ and sila lang duha ang candidate, in this country, who do you think would win?

You never know. Padaca (the disabled woman) won over an entrenched political dynasty in her province. Filipinos, even the masa, won't stay dumb forever with regards to politics. Who knows, change might already be starting. Just don't lose hope.

[FK]

i prove sa lagi ni nato nga mga accusations..ang nagpasiuna sa Garci probe nipahulay naman gani meaning walai probable cause to even impeach GMA..

nindot sab ta mo abot og conclusion bai noh? do you really know why they terminate the investigation? gi-terminate meaning no probable cause? huh? tan-awa ang tinuod rason bai. If you don't know or if you haven't read... it was terminated tungod nilapas sa alloted nga time for an investigation, karon nabutang ba didto nga gi-terminate because they was no probable cause?

nya karon muana dayun ta nga corrupt as hell...kutob lang ta accusations ani?

oh yes she is corrupt... she has damage the COMELEC. now onsa man d i tawag nimo sa taw nga buhaton ang tanan para lang mo daug?

[BeoR]

Erap wasn't booted out by the majority of Pinoys, the "masa", but by the elite. One evidence for this is that EDSA 3 by all accounts outnumbered EDSA 2. GMA on the other hand has been consistently shown in recent surveys to be overwhlemingly unpopular, with a negative approval rating. So much for people being "satisfied with her performance".

... and the Elite makes the country run. Most of the "masa" don't pay taxes and in my opinion, doesn't have any right to complain... and yes, the Elites pays the working masa too... they give out to charities... they help barangays... and a lot more... and yes, your champions in congress and in the senate gets some "aid" from the Elites and none from the masa...

... why doesn't the Philippines move forward.

1) A lot of people are easily swayed by idiotic ideals.
2) Pathetic losers just can't accept the fact that they lost and will always stir trouble to gain some "credit".
3) Pathetic politicians don't want to unify because they won't get the same amount of credit if they themselves were in power.
4) Lame losers do not respect and accept the decision of our justices/special fact finding commissions.

... again let me cite the Gore vs. Bush elections, it was apparent that Gore was cheated in Florida. But after the Courts handed down its decision, Gore humbly accepted and respected it and moved towards putting things behind and expressed support over Bush's administration.

... you win some, you lose some. For the benefit of everyone, contribute towards development and do not put the country on a standstill.

[tolstoi]

errr..is immoral, plunderer, womanizer, drunkard..etc can attributed to ERAP as an EFFECTIVE LEADER?

Hahaha. Then you complain when people reacted to your statement that "TOMAS is an OUTSTANDING MAYOR" by saying that he was an ill-tempered drunk. Abi nako walay labot ang "personality" sa pagka-outstanding?

So to you GMA is an effective leader when she's a liar and a cheat? And with relation to the topic... she appointed Garci, a known dagdag-bawas operator, despite vehement opposition to his appointment. After the elections, a tape surfaces with her talking to him discussing "pagpapataas" and "yung dagdag 2x". Effective leader? Effective in teaching people how to cheat in elections, yes. Erap was called immoral for being a womanizing drunk. But isn't cheating and lying also part of being immoral?

Erap was an ineffective leader, I agree. But so is GMA. And I know Filipinos can do better than those two incompetents.

don't even think of comparing TOMAS to ERAP, that's just plainly twisted..tomas maybe a drunkard and ill tempered but not to Erap's extent..Pimentel and the rest of the Senate voted Tomas as an OUTSTANDING MAYOR not because of his personality but because of his effectiveness in running the city.

as i've said it's not only PGMA had employed cheating last election, most politicains also did..but cheating aside, PGMA manage to bring the economy to a very satisfactory level, and the peso dollar rate is strong for a couple of months now..these i think are the essence of a being an effective leader.

[bfg9000]

@BeorSki

Most of the "masa" don't pay taxes and in my opinion, doesn't have any right to complain.

The masa consume goods and so pay sales taxes. And most of them were born into poverty, they didn't choose to be in the situation they're in. And if you take away the "right to complain" of people based on the circumstances into which they were born, that's bigotry. Following your analogy, the black slaves in America had no right to complain because they didn't pay taxes.

1) A lot of people are easily swayed by idiotic ideals.

Or maybe a lot of people don't have any ideals, just follow their stomachs.

2) Pathetic losers just can't accept the fact that they lost and will always stir trouble to gain some "credit".

Or maybe politicians cheat, win, and then tell the losers to just "shut up" and "don't fret".

4) Lame losers do not respect and accept the decision of our justices/special fact finding commissions.

Maybe because the "fact finding commissions" don't actually work with the "facts" but instead are beholden to those who appointed them.

... you win some, you lose some. For the benefit of everyone, contribute towards development and do not put the country on a standstill.

Yes, and tell our youth that it's ok to lie, cheat and steal, as long as you win. And that everyone who doesn't go along with the lies and cheating is "hampering the country's development".

[FK]

... again let me cite the Gore vs. Bush elections, it was apparent that Gore was cheated in Florida. But after the Courts handed down its decision, Gore humbly accepted and respected it and moved towards putting things behind and expressed support over Bush's administration.

but was it established... caught that Bush orchestrated or even manage the cheating done?

American politics is not totally about support and throwing away the issues... Nixon resigned because he was caught red handed and even resigned. Â*Why? because he has done something that a President should not do.

Would you think if Bush was caught with this controversy... Gore would just accept it and Bush would be just be kapal muks and call Gore a destabilizer? Â*The American government does not just throw out allegations because it would be bad for their country... they have their share of impeachment.

[bfg9000]

don't even think of comparing TOMAS to ERAP, that's just plainly twisted..tomas maybe a drunkard and ill tempered but not to Erap's extent..Pimentel and the rest of the Senate voted Tomas as an OUTSTANDING MAYOR not because of his personality but because of his effectiveness in running the city.

You brought up "drunkard, womanizer" in questioning Erap's effectiveness. But you complain when I raise "ill-tempered drunkard" to question Tomas? Double standard? I rest my case.

as i've said it's not only PGMA had employed cheating last election, most politicains also did..but cheating aside, PGMA manage to bring the economy to a very satisfactory level, and the peso dollar rate is strong for a couple of months now..these i think are the essence of a being an effective leader.

The point is, you CAN be effective without resorting to lying and cheating. Think not only economically but morally. GMA, by lying and cheating, has lost her moral ascendancy to govern. Like I said before, I wouldn't even hire someone with GMA's morals (or lack thereof) to run my company.

Why settle for someone who can't even win an election without resorting to cheating? And again, for the umpteenth time, "everyone else does it" is no excuse for a crime. Why should it be an excuse for cheating in the elections?

[FK]

as i've said it's not only PGMA had employed cheating last election, most politicains also did..but cheating aside, PGMA manage to bring the economy to a very satisfactory level, and the peso dollar rate is strong for a couple of months now..these i think are the essence of a being an effective leader.

mangotana ko balik bai... kong ok pa d i to ang economy sa panahon ni ERAP, he can get away with his plunder d i?

yup it's not only GMA who employed cheating, but all other candidate who were caught, where investigated... again does it make cheating right?

Og asa man nga libro bai ang sayop mahimong sakto kong maau lang pagkadala ang economy?

[BeoR]

The masa consume goods and so pay sales taxes. And most of them were born into poverty, they didn't choose to be in the situation they're in. And if you take away the "right o complain" of people based on the circumstances into which they were born, that's bigotry. Following your analogy, the black slaves in America had no right to complain because they didn't pay taxes.

Don't take my statements out of context, I said "most" not all... there is usually 1-2 people in a "masa" family who works and pays taxes, the rest are just getting drunk or sniffing drugs or gambling or waiting for politicians to pick them up and stage a rally.

Or maybe a lot of people don't have any ideals, just follow their stomachs.

... that isn't the governements problem... there are a lot of jobs available other being a "seasonal" rallyist.

Or maybe politicians cheat, win, and then tell the losers to just "shut up" and "don't fret".

... one can lodge their complaints thru established systems... but the problem is, they don't respect the decision handed down if they don't like it.

Maybe because the "fact finding commissions" don't actually work with the "facts" but instead are beholden to those who appointed them.

... ahh I smell a lot of "politics" here. If I'm not mistaken, the opposition had seats in the "Hello Garci" fact finding commission.

Yes, and tell our youth that it's ok to lie, cheat and steal, as long as you win. And that everyone who doesn't go along with the lies and cheating is "hampering the country's development".

.... establish it first before you brainwash everyone... if you can't establish it now, get yourself to power and re-open the case. Staging rallies and stirring controversies takes out a lot of food from the "masa's" tables. You are supposed to be champions of the masses, you should work to provide more jobs and lure investors.... not whisk them away.

but was it established... caught that Bush orchestrated or even manage the cheating done?

It wasn't established yes... they filed a simple request for a recount. Denied, moved on.

Nixon resigned because he was caught red handed and even resigned. Why? because he has done something that a President should not do.

Because he was caught red-handed and there is no other way out... that is totally different from being accused with a lot of loopholes on the oppositions arguments. Bear in mind that it all revolves around technicallities...

Would you think if Bush was caught with this controversy... Gore would just accept it and Bush would be just be kapal muks and call Gore a destabilizer? The American government does not just throw out allegations because it would be bad for their country... they have their share of impeachment.

If Bush was caught then Gore would have been president. The thing is, Gore respected the decision of "Bush's" minions in Florida... that should be clear enough for you.