The theoretical question that will bash down all religion to its knees!

[brown_dog]

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One:
You better stop justifying the existence of GOD with the use of LOGIC - logic is in the realm of science... You want to debate against science witht the use of Logic ? YOULL GET OWNED! ... Its like a boxer wanting to Swordfight a Swordmaster!

Religion and God = chief requirement : FAITH
Science = chief requirement : LOGIC

Religion and God = requirements is Faith - that is what you think. An ignorant persons question that does not know anything about true religion.
Science - requires Logic - also requires faith on certain things but not necessarily God.

You must have Simplistic ignorant assumptions.

Two:
No contradictions int the BIBLE... Please! I could probably give a a book that sais 1000+ contradicitons in it. I was a schooled in a christian school since I was in kindergarten...

Note: Also with all that schooling in a christian school made me more loose faith in the BIBLE, GOD AND RELIGION.. why? coz I dont take everything what being spoonfed to me... I question authority and the reasons behind it... Im not against it, but its always up for scrutiny... and all that questioning made me realize - IT DOESNT ADD UP!

I am not asking for your opinion but for specific verse and texts.

THREE:
basically you dont like the idea of man came the idea theory of hydrogen or some theory of monkey... HEY I DONT LIKE THE IDEA OF THE SKY BEING BLUE TOO!... but the sky in realm of logic and science - is still bue huh? too bad the universe dont care what you like..

POLL: Which theory is more stupid?

Evolution: Simple to complex...

Creation: Complex to simple...

If you need more explaining... the more reason you should stop taking... youll embarass yourself more...

Simple to complex: I agree men does improve on sciences since he is made with intelligence by God. Man has things inherited from God the ability to create things and God give us the ability to learn. That is what we believe in that theory and it is more of a hard science than the theory of evolution since all of us experienced it everyday. Compare it to the theory of evolution where a scientist found a single tooth and constructs a whole body based on that single tooth.

Complex to simple: do you believe that we Christians believe people will de-evolve to monkeys? then You are nuts.

The sky is blue huh does that explain atmospheric light refraction. Your overly complex mind confuses you. You believe in too complex things that
the answer is found right under your nose.

FOUR:
Atheist Philantropist? WHAT ARE YOU A HERMIT? I could probably give you gud number names that fit in that category! search the internet... please check your statement before you makem itll make you more look dumb...

OH you didnt know huh? MOTHER THERESA in her last days wrote a in her diaries or letter... HOW SHE LOST FAITH IN GOD AND/OR RELIGION ... Yet she continued her work coz its humane for her... I guess you really are a hermit... dont believe me? search the google... youll find it in any popular video sites...

BILL GATES? scrutinizing Bill Gates of giving 2% of income... again do your research before you open your mouth... I dont know the exact # of that... but its definitely more than that...

he gives an average of 1 Million to charities per day... ya ya... you prolly say, coz hes a got lots of money... BUT THAT DOESNT CHANGE THE FACT THAT A MILLION IS STILL A MILLION.. more education, more housing, more help for the less fortunate... tell that your idea to the people who recieved charities from Bill Gates and tell me what they think...

You don't know the numbers then. Even a government can do that. Does that mean Arroyo is a saint? There are some people who gives you money just only to loose it. You donate to street children out of your own big heart but in the end they will gamble whatever you give them. That is why there is mendicancy in our law and there is this saying in the bible what profits a man when he have all riches and yet loose his soul.
If you do understand that I am not discouraging charity but they must donate spiritual charity as well. they might gamble whatever you give them. And by the way can Bill Gates save countries is Africa? No. He did not give for the sake of God and trully saving peoples souls but for himself.

Can Bill Gates save a persons Soul not dierctly but preaching the Gospel of Christ he can if a person believes yes he can.

this also holds true about rich men

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Mathew 19

So basically even mereley giving all your possesions you cannot enter heaven you have to follow Christ as well.

Christian missionaries that will help the people realize God and change their lives and turn from their ignorances and follow Christ. In the hopes tp turn their country into a Christian Country and be a good follower of the law of God which is the law of Love. You cannot discount that these missionaries are not bringing food and medicine as well. They are giving more than what bill gates does because they are saving their souls through the Gospel. If Bill Gates will give all his money to the poor and follow Christ by any means it will justify him.
And don't rant about he gives a million a day. Have he saved the people in Africa especially the warzones with in Africa? I know he will if he will give all his 40 billion dollars to them.
And preach them the Gospel of Christ to them.

Pleas spare me the intimidation statements. Because I don't read them.

Yes I heard about Mother Teresas diaries, charity is not enough but saving ones soul is. And I agree she gives I mean a lot but the true mission of Christianity is to save souls by proclaiming the Gospel and to follow Christ. I do admire for her efforts. She is Catholic and the foundations of her faith does include misinterpretations of the scriptures. It could be that she is preoccupied with charity and did not follow CHrist. SInce most of her work involves only charity and not preaching the truth of the Bible.
What church then should we follow? We follow a Church that Believes in the Bible only "Sola Scriptura" and the ten Commandments to be specific. I believe the Catholic does not believe in this.
This is more of a clarification than an argument. Id be happy to explain it to someone personally.

FIVE:

Hitler? Pointing out to HITLER? !!! = So your saying if youre an atheist you automatically become evil... can I say LIMITED THINKING?

atheist philantropist just made your statement defunct...

Ill pair your statement...

How about the millions of deaths, torture and torement caused by the Papacy in the middle ages? Are we just gonna ignore that...

or how about this...

The number of people died in the name of religion will dwarf Hitler's so called genocide...

brown_dog.. tell you what frankly... stop talking... or at least check your statements if it viable... I think you should internalize this qoute from Winston Churchill... im not very fond of this.. but this very well applies to you...

Am I saying Athiest automatically becomes evil. I say yes but eventually unless you are smarter than Satan or Lucifer and you don't need Gods divine guidance and you can save yourself since you claims to be sinless. You have to consider that Lucifer is smarter than any man but god is wiser and smarter than Lucifer. Mind you only Christ can enter heaven but Christ freely gave his salvation to other people so that they can enjoy heaven with him. I tell you does churchhill has the same dedication of Christ and all those martyred Christians?

It just makes sense to believe in Christ so that we can be saved. it does makes sense as well for those who don't believe will not be saved. And it makes sense that God chooses those who believe in Christ to enter heaven because he owns heaven. and more of that he created us and wants to love one another, what other God could provide such principles and power as demonstrated by Christ.

Communism is Athiesm no they do not consider their state as their God. They do not worship in any supreme being or anything but they have very similar belief in Athiest and its in ideas. And Athiest by their own definition does not worship supreme beings.

DId Russia call their land God Land? No instead the motherland.

You call God a killer? cant you differenciate man from God? Can you tell me what is written in the ten commandments?

Hitler is so drifted away from God (Killing the Jews race) that he is an Athiest. Hitler may declare himself as a Christian (lots of evil people do) But he is an Athiest at his heart. He is too much preoccuied with his idea of a prefect Germany. You can call Hitler whatever you want but he does not have the law of God in his heart. This is a repetitive ridiculous argument.

ABout your rant about the Roman Church murdering people. I tell you who they are murdering and they are the ones who are protestants or the protesters against the teachings of the Roman Catholic church during its time. They are the ones who are burned and mutilated becuase they disagree with the Papacy. I apologize for todays Catholics but I will mention that it occured during the dark ages but not today. In fact Pope John Paul II officially apoligized for what the church has done during those times.

You can call whatever denomination or group wether you are an athiest or dietist the fact remains There is a God and there is the Adversary and a mans choice. Either you are doing the will of one or the other and you only have one master. God invites people to walk with Christ in his way of life and to seek him. You have his guarentee that you will find Him. God will not allow for a person to continually seek him to get lost otherwise it would not be a fair fight with Satan. And God is Justice.

There is no argument here if people refuse to believe in clear truths of Christ.
This holds true.
"Ignorance is no excuse"
Pauls Letter:

13 Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.

14 I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.

15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Romans 1: 18-21

New Age version

The eternal power and deity of God are observed by all. "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened"
(Romans 1:18-21).

Paul is a debtor for the barbarians and the civilized, the wise and the unwise for them not to be ignorant of the Gospel of Christ.

This Holds true for those who believe in Jesus:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him
should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3: 16

[Jollibee]

@The_Child

its doubt. and everybody doubts.

errr.. the only reason Mother Theresa was brought to this piciture. Because she was portrayed by brown_dog as ultimate dedication that no aethiest can match her dedication...

I only stated that MAYBE she was an aethiest for the latter part of her life... i was only at the process of taking out his best example...

... and

How could we know that she has only "doubts"? We dont know... that Im not her and your not her...

take note that she wasnt like us... regular people with no multitudes of people who believes in us... Making an open decision to claim to atheism is very big decision for her...

Its like the same as... you started a church, then you have millions of follower and some time in your life you decide that your dont believe anyomore in the doctrines of you created church... Can you just openly state to the world that you dont believe in your doctrines anymore?... with all the lives that look up to you for guidance... and ahem, the life, the money and the prestige that youve gained by becoming leader of the church... that wont be easy as tossing a coin if u ask me... AND dont qoute this statement word for word... qoute me on the idea behind it...

The very notion of Popper's falsifiability tell us in someway, that a theory would be obsolete, but for now, it is the best that we could offer, although there is a terra incognita since a certain theory is always limited, we submit this to 'faith.'

I never said that Faith is used as an explanation in science, but rather, Faith is itself important to Scientific development, for its progress, for the acceptance of an approximate truth.


I never said that faith has no place in science... For the most part, I agree that You need faith for in : a) Accepted theories b) you need to have faith in your formulated theories or hypothesis and faith that youll one day that itll will be accepted as standard theory...

but is it THE CHIEF REQUIREMENT FOR SCIENCE? thats what im pointing out in the first place... CHIEF REQUIREMENT... is the whole schientific body at large governed by unqantifiable faith?

also, even those accepted theories today are always being challenged with new facts and data...

Can you say for the church? try challenging the beliefs with your church and you'd feel how it feels to be branded as an "anti-christ" ... lol...

sidenote: biased on the subject of "String Theory", i kinda like that one... example that the theory istelf has lots of contradictions, but its is being "smoothen" by the use of due scientific process and not by "God works in miraculous ways" if so to speak

i was presenting the issue of directionality without me concluding that we are progressing or regressing. Again, when you judge the stone age your point of reference is today. but what about looking at it in a bigger bigger perspective?

... true. But where does "God" fit in this picture of regresssing or progressing.

Now one defition taken by an aethiest is that a "GOD" is not a product of evolution by itself... It didnt have a primitive state...

For example, if an being so advanced from ours visited our planet... Performes, seemingly "miracoulous" things... turning water to wine and such... and YET if that being was a product of million of years of progression and incrimental advancement... That being, by accepted defintion of an atheist... is not a GOD...

VERY VERY VERY ADVANCED BEING... BUT NOT A GOD...

perhaps perhaps, but the core of my point to your statement is that Catholicism has contributed so much to the world, especially Europe. check the book i mnetioned.

No issues there about contributions... in the first place the deaths and torture was brought up because its claimed that aethiest were evil and religion doesnt have its astronmical "evilness"...

of course not. there has never been a communist state. but there were socialist states,USSR and etc, but theyre nothing but communist poseurs.

could be or could be not... I for one will accept that I dont have sufficicient education in terms of kinds of government... socialism Vs. communism...

not my cup of tea...

but you could make an essay about it, and id love to read it... but not here... its severly OT..

[Jollibee]

@brown_dog

Religion and God = requirements is Faith - that is what you think. An ignorant persons question that does not know anything about true religion.

Science - requires Logic - also requires faith on certain things but not necessarily God.

As I said to the_child... faith has its place in science... faith in accepted theories and faith in part of the researcher in proving hes right with his hypothesis...

BUT...

The key word there... CHIEF REQUIREMENT - the whole science body is not governed by facts that are being proven by the use of "FAITH"

again: "Its ok to have faith that your right in your hypothesis... BUT its not ok to prove the existence of something by faith alone" at least as to science is being concerned...

evolution? a whole organism that came to be from a single tooth... where did you learn about evolution, from you kindergarten book? GET EDUCATED... evolution doesnt work that way..


I am not asking for your opinion but for specific verse and texts.

Ill stick to my principle that I will know use bible verses as source coz from a scientific standpoint those are not verified congrete hard facts and data...

I guess youll agree to me that if you take the bible word for word that it would be lots contradiction, would you? Those are a gud source of contradictions itself...

and if you want a bible passage war, this isnt the place... find another thread, I dont engange in such, as to why, the statements above expains why...

BUT I will engange in your general ideas that seems contradicting with religion... "Like your theory of heaven", "everything is planned by God" and "Satan's Role In Salvation" things... but not here, this isnt the thread for that...

tell you wat if i have the time, ill make another thread for such, and well debate it there...

You don't know the numbers then. Even a government can do that. Does that mean Arroyo is a saint? There are some people who gives you money just only to loose it. You donate to street children out of your own big heart but in the end they will gamble whatever you give them. That is why there is mendicancy in our law and there is this saying in the bible what profits a man when he have all riches and yet loose his soul.
If you do understand that I am not discouraging charity but they must donate spiritual charity as well. they might gamble whatever you give them. And by the way can Bill Gates save countries is Africa? No. He did not give for the sake of God and trully saving peoples souls but for himself.

Can Bill Gates save a persons Soul not dierctly but preaching the Gospel of Christ he can if a person believes yes he can.

this also holds true about rich men

One: I dont need the exact numbers... All I need is one to prove to you that atheist are not evil and are capable of going great gud things...

If you argue that to me that atheist cant do gud things... its the same if I argue to you that christians cant do bad things...

Im not the one here who is pouring the idea that atheist lack the capabilities of doing great gud things... you are... and thats all Im trying to disprove... and thats the bottom line...

Sheeesh... and why would Bill Gates would want to try to save Africa? hes not GOD and he knows that... but he is TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD and you cant degrade and take that from him..

and please! Bill Gates is a businessman and a GUD ONE! and what does most, if not all, businessmen's opinion about medicancy... THEY FREAKING HATE IT LIKE A PLAGUE... these people worked hard for theyre money and they dont believe that poverty will ever be solved by charity...

Thats why I like Bill Gates in charities.. they give SCHOLORSHIPs to people... giving them the ability to provide for themselves...

its like the "Give a man a fish, and he wont starve for a only a day... teach him how to fish, and he be wont be starved indefinitely"

Am I saying Athiest automatically becomes evil. I say yes but eventually unless you are smarter than Satan or Lucifer and you don't need Gods divine guidance and you can save yourself since you claims to be sinless. You have to consider that Lucifer is smarter than any man but god is wiser and smarter than Lucifer

May I ask you... do you need to be a christian to internalize the "Golden Rule"?

lisent and listen hard to we dont have to debate this again:

"YOU DONT NEED TO BE A CHRISTIAN TO ADOPT THE GOLDEN RULE" - It is better for you to adopt the golden rule fot it betters your chance of survival! plain and simple!

Mind you only Christ can enter heaven but Christ freely gave his salvation to other people so that they can enjoy heaven with him. I tell you does churchhill has the same dedication of Christ and all those martyred Christians?

Please dont qoute the existence of heaven, coz you cant use that as a standpoint, unless we finished debating that heaven does exist...

Even with the existence of Christ is even debatable... the historical data is not yet accept that he is one man and truly existed...

SO to that... YOU CANT USE CHRIST as your standpoint, not until its verified by historical and "outside the bible" data...

BUT I DO KNOW from historical data that CHURCHILL IS REAL and those martyred christians as well..

I know what your thinking "... this guy relies to much on data" and im going to tell you in the first place... that proving things needs data in science... in proving things with religion u just need faith...

Communism is Athiesm no they do not consider their state as their God. They do not worship in any supreme being or anything but they have very similar belief in Athiest and its in ideas. And Athiest by their own definition does not worship supreme beings.

As is said, communism is not suppose to be that way... But thats whats happening... what the government sais, it happens... you have little or no chance to appeal to it... more like your GOD... what he sais you take it.. no appeal or youll be branded as antichrist...

Atheist on the other hand dont like the idea of one supreme rule with no chance of appeal or no right to question, thats why they dont like the idea of a GOD for that specific reason...

so whats the similrity with atheism and commmunism again?

You call God a killer? cant you differenciate man from God? Can you tell me what is written in the ten commandments?

right... but you cant still ignore the fact that:

"There are more people being killed in the name of a religion than any other causes COMBINED"

Hitler is so drifted away from God (Killing the Jews race) that he is an Athiest. Hitler may declare himself as a Christian (lots of evil people do) But he is an Athiest at his heart. He is too much preoccuied with his idea of a prefect Germany. You can call Hitler whatever you want but he does not have the law of God in his heart. This is a repetitive ridiculous argument.

so your saying if you killed so much you'll become an atheist, like hitler?...

haha... I thought atheism is belief that does not consider the existence of GODs - I didnt konw that they have a small fine print that you have to kill so much before you become atheist... BWAHAHAHA...

Hitler may declare himself as a Christian (lots of evil people do) But he is an Athiest at his heart.

back at you... oh is that the same way when you mean that when a christian sais his christian but his actions are not christian like..

like the way that the papacy "claimed" that they are christians and yet there are so many killings that can be traced to theyre account? ... *cough* .. ahem...

ABout your rant about the Roman Church murdering people. I tell you who they are murdering and they are the ones who are protestants or the protesters against the teachings of the Roman Catholic church during its time. They are the ones who are burned and mutilated becuase they disagree with the Papacy. I apologize for todays Catholics but I will mention that it occured during the dark ages but not today. In fact Pope John Paul II officially apoligized for what the church has done during those times.

Protestants or Catholics - WHATEVER! Same random RANT RIGHT?

BUT THIS SAME RANDOM RANT STILL STILL POINTS OUT THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE BEING KILLED IN THE NAME OF RELIGION!...


You can call whatever denomination or group wether you are an athiest or dietist the fact remains There is a God and there is the Adversary and a mans choice. Either you are doing the will of one or the other and you only have one master. God invites people to walk with Christ in his way of life and to seek him. You have his guarentee that you will find Him. God will not allow for a person to continually seek him to get lost otherwise it would not be a fair fight with Satan. And God is Justice.

There is no argument here if people refuse to believe in clear truths of Christ.
This holds true.
"Ignorance is no excuse"

Didnt I tell you to belive in what you believe in and DONT CONDEMN OTHERS ... isnt that one of the doctrines of you church... DO NOT CONDEMN OTHERS?!

save me from you self-rightous rant..will ya?

thats the thing with your GOD that I hate the most - DEALING ONLY WITH ABSOLUTES!


Paul's Letter and other jibbi jabba from the bible


DIDNT WE JUST SAID THAT NO BIBLE PASSAGES? Ill say it again then...

"NO BIBLE QOUTES, PASSAGES OR OTHE JIBBERISH COMING FROM THE BIBLE"

Not until we agree that those statements are verifiable and accepted facts of the scientific body...

We want our debates to have clear, consice and fact that are distelled with due scientific process...

and NOT

statement that come from half truths or fairy-tales-for-the-adult book AKA "The Bible"

[Semper Idem]

Nota Bene:

Hitler was a baptized Catholic and an avid church-goer.

[bcasabee]

i think Gloria also......

[munzter666]

Communism is Athiesm no they do not consider their state as their God. They do not worship in any supreme being or anything but they have very similar belief in Athiest and its in ideas. And Athiest by their own definition does not worship supreme beings.

As an ideology, communism is supposed to provide equal rights, but the way communist countries portrayed communism, equality became an illusion.

what if this becomes a reality? communism as a reality? they say that is the illusion

[rcruman]

Christians of the bible and Communism has in Common.

Peace!

[boomer]

The creation of the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit through its writers or authors.
Does God intentionally misguide his people. Well he answered that already those who seek him he will be there for them. I don't care whether you bash Christianity and its Bible God will guide us if we seek God for his words are found in the Bible.

The Bible is Biased of what? The bible is conflicting for those who do not open and read it and continues to say its not credible.
Can you give me a single verse in the Bible that is conflicting?

The Bible is inspired word of God and not a creation of man through Gods prophets and Apostles.
Well its no surprise Evil or Satan does employ a strategy of discrediting anything of what God is trying to portray.
Its even applied Government vs Opposition right now, all i'm saying this is too obvious battle of ideas between good and evil.

Satan is known to be the king of lies. Well if you do not agree with that then you think Satan is speaking the truth.

Then again the question who should we worship are we worshiping satan instead of God. the word of the Bible will be our guide and not only that it produces tremendous amount of evidences and prophecies fulfilled. Also it has stood the test of time. Millions of Christians are transformed or Converted to following Christ's life which is governed with love of God and fellow people. The Most evident quality is They have the fruits of the spirit of love for each man and a decent life.

Why do I worship God? Because I dont believe I came from monkeys and a product of ridiculous theory of hydrogen + time = intelligent man. Mind you scientist just found out statistically that man came to existence a trillion trillionth less than 1 percent to impossible chances that man came to existence. I would really believe man came from hydrogen + time theory if the chance even came to close to 1 percent. There must be some kind of a miracle an intelligent being that makes impossible things possible.

Christian should live a Christ like way of lgiving to people, if what people here are claiming christians are killers and murderers then simply they are not true Christians. Simple. Get it?

For those people who justifies that they are living their whole life being a dedicated volunteer charity for the poor they are more likely are not athiest. Take for example Mother Teresa the most dedicated mother who gave everything to the poor in India can any athiest match her decication?
Can you give me a very famous athiest who has the same dedication of mother terresa? If none then people who are charity and is an athiest are not trully dedicated charity people. What about bill gates he donated lots of money to a charity I bet its just 2 percent of his riches donated and cannot be counted as true dedication. (why is he not giving all his riches and followed Chrsit same as mother teresa?)Most likely just for show to the public purposes. What about the pharisees during Jesus time they also give to the poor.
I tell you if an Athiest do charity is he really saving that person soul? There is a thing called mendicancy though. Volunteer People are mostly dedicated christians its evident because they also spread the gospel of Christ as well as charity work.

Then again you will say Athiest will not go to heaven because they are comparable to mother Teresa. And why do Christians go to heaven when they don't do charity work. Well just to inform you look at the works of of true christians they do charities not only that they also believe in Christ.
Athiest will not go to heaven because they don't the power to forgive their own original sins through baptism. Does that mean God is intentionally sending athiest to hell without any chance of salvation no because Christ Gave his life to forgive all our sins including original sins whoever believes in him will have eternal life. And its a free gift without obligation. Huh does that make any sense?

I tell you who do you think organizes the biggest charity drive in our societies today aren't those organized by churches and religions? Can you tell me any large athiest organization involved in charity? All I see is athiest organizations usually involves non believeing scientist and some politicians which is not even an organization.

Don't come bash that Christians are like Hitler because Hitler himself is an Athiest. I can tell you famous athiest in our world which you can be proud of and its Hitler.
The famous communist leader Joseph Stalin (founded the KGB - famous with torture interogation method), and Lenin. I think Kim Jong Ill the famous president of North Korea is an Athiest. Here is your saints, although you are not following them you are the same and are called athiest.
The teachings of merging paganism is a pure idea of Catholic tradition and not Biblical. No where in the Bible where you can find a teaching to worship multiple Gods in fact its the opposite. A triun God?the main difference of Paganism claims their Gods are different from each other, While Christians have one God, Christ is God in man form the holly Spirit is the spirit that inspires all men to live a life of love and reverence to God.
Nothing wrong with the Bible just misinterpreted That is why protestantism emerged. This can also be considered the work of Satan himself working within Gods church. In fact the anti Christ will emerge with in the church based on prophecy and evidendes. The creation of the Bible trully is the work of the holy spirit working through men of God through the evidences of prophecy and true life practical living.

The Bible is misinterpreted plain and simple.

I believe the bible is not created by any man. And its evident of the context and detail with in it example there is no way John the revelator would have known all the prophecies of revelation. No way the book of revelation has the same exact message(not contextually) of the Book of Daniel which is hundreds of years appart. If the Catholics did invent the Bible why then they misinterpret the simplest commandment. Which is the First commandment. Which is The simplest of all -

The Catholics should have interpreted it correctly by now if they are the ones who made the bible which you claim that they are. WHy do they have many molten gods (altars).

And yeah I understand why God wants to be worshipped becuase he created you and me. Its just proper that we worship our creator. Does that make any sense?
Who do you think God is? Read the Bible.

And the attitude that we don't need to worship anything we can be our own god is egotestical and selfishness its the same attitude of the Devil which inspires corruption(Lies), murder(born out of selfishness)

And didn't God warn those people in Noahs time to turn away from their sins for 40 years? People during that time even laughs at Noah claiming he is nuts or crazy building the Ark. For seven days after the ark was finished no rain fell and people started to rudicule and make fun of Noah telling him he is crazy. But on the eighth say the door of mercy was shut.

The creation of the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit through its writers or authors.
Does God intentionally misguide his people. Well he answered that already those who seek him he will be there for them. I don't care whether you bash Christianity and its Bible God will guide us if we seek God for his words are found in the Bible.

The Bible is Biased of what? The bible is conflicting for those who do not open and read it and continues to say its not credible.
Can you give me a single verse in the Bible that is conflicting?

The Bible is inspired word of God and not a creation of man through Gods prophets and Apostles.
Well its no surprise Evil or Satan does employ a strategy of discrediting anything of what God is trying to portray.
Its even applied Government vs Opposition right now, all i'm saying this is too obvious battle of ideas between good and evil.

who made who??
bible was written by men who claimed to be inspired by "god".....unfortunately men are not as perfect as "jesus", otherwise you give me the impression that men/people dont lie....
a lot of people also claim to be inspired by god...some of them are in a psych ward/mental institution.

Then again you will say Athiest will not go to heaven because they are comparable to mother Teresa. And why do Christians go to heaven when they don't do charity work. Well just to inform you look at the works of of true christians they do charities not only that they also believe in Christ.
Athiest will not go to heaven because they don't the power to forgive their own original sins through baptism. Does that mean God is intentionally sending athiest to hell without any chance of salvation no because Christ Gave his life to forgive all our sins including original sins whoever believes in him will have eternal life. And its a free gift without obligation. Huh does that make any sense?

note: to the fundamentally inclined.

you just sent every body who doesnt share your "god" to hell. its not just the common atheist that fits to that category, other religions or people who doesnt share your thinking as well.

Don't come bash that Christians are like Hitler because Hitler himself is an Athiest. I can tell you famous athiest in our world which you can be proud of and its Hitler.

nope. he was no atheist....he was one of the believers. he was not something for christians to be proud of....but pinning it on the atheist, com'on you can do better than that.haha

The famous communist leader Joseph Stalin (founded the KGB - famous with torture interogation method), and Lenin. I think Kim Jong Ill the famous president of North Korea is an Athiest. Here is your saints, although you are not following them you are the same and are called athiest.
The teachings of merging paganism is a pure idea of Catholic tradition and not Biblical. No where in the Bible where you can find a teaching to worship multiple Gods in fact its the opposite. A triun God?the main difference of Paganism claims their Gods are different from each other, While Christians have one God, Christ is God in man form the holly Spirit is the spirit that inspires all men to live a life of love and reverence to God.
Nothing wrong with the Bible just misinterpreted That is why protestantism emerged. This can also be considered the work of Satan himself working within Gods church. In fact the anti Christ will emerge with in the church based on prophecy and evidendes. The creation of the Bible trully is the work of the holy spirit working through men of God through the evidences of prophecy and true life practical living.

unfortunately these atheists dont believe in saints as well....
wow, you have some beef to settle with the catholics eh?? 2 birds with 1 stone?? WWSD(what would superman do)

IMO, i dont really care if its misinterpreted or not, or who misinterpreted it....your's or there's.

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mao ni nakanindot ky the more daoton ang religion the more it spreads.. its like a virus it spreads and kill...

[The_Child]

mao ni nakanindot ky the more daoton ang religion the more it spreads.. its like a virus it spreads and kill...

yesh yesh yesh, and like Ideology, the extreme right and the traditional left, like a virus, it spreads and kill. Theyre no different from religious fundamentalists.