If someone ask you "Luwas na ba ka?", whats ur answer?

[Mr.Ho_chia]

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exactly.

[nemmo723]

@nemmo723
about the free gift of salvation...I think you got it all wrong.
This is how you understand it...kung free dapat walay condition.
I dont think nga naay condition ang free gift of salvation?
imo man gud tan-aw anang pag accept is condition man gud w/c is sayup. kung tagaan ka ug free nga stuff dili diay ka molihok harun madawat nimo?
kung stranger ang mohatag nimo ug free nga gift nya dawaton nimo, di ba it takes a lot of FAITH for you to accept that gift?
So faith and accepting a free gift is not a "CONDITION" as in;
1)you are going to have this gift is you will mawn my lawn,hehehe
2)you are gong to have this gift if you will clean the toilet
Faith and accepting it is just an act for you to have the gift.
kung naay mo ingun nimo nga..."come here i will give you a free haircut" then wala kay pagtoo sa barber nga tinood ng iyang gisulti nga free kay basin tan.aw nimo nga naay catch so dili nimo e accept iayng gi offer nga free haircut.

hmm, i understand what you presented. but the condition here is not on the receiving. its anchored on a different thing, which is to have faith in jesus christ. can't i choose to receive a gift without having faith on the jesus christ? who gave the gift? and what kind of gift is this? this gift is not perishable, its not temporal, is it?

so let me ask again a simple example, lets say im a taoist. then i heard of this free gift of salvation from a born-again preacher. i ask, oh, how does one acquire this gift of salvation? the born-again preacher begins to instruct that i have to have faith in jesus christ.. yeah, so i choose to receive this "free gift" by choosing to have "faith" in jesus christ.. but what does this "having faith" in jesus christ entail? it entails that i give up the very principles i have grown to believe in being a taoist, become a zombie to their church organization, continually profess my "inefficiency" before GOD (because frankly, thats what they all do), so is this gift really that free? its shackled with chains and string. what does this "having faith" really entail?

the fact that i have to do something ELSE in order to receive it makes it already a condition. ngano diay kung mu-ingon lang sila.. "hey, how do i acquire this free gift of salvation.. this church keeps on saying they give out free gift of salvation." and you go to the front door and asks, what if they reply, "oh, just wait here, ill get you one of these free gifts of salvation... (pause for a moment), there u go kind sir.. thanks for dropping by.. it was a pleasure to meet you. peace be with you always." how different is that from "oh in order for you to acquire this, kind sir, you have to do this, and that, believe in this, and that.. etc, etc." which of the two is really free? (the former is very buddhist, dont u think? hehe)

and to entertain the other argument, lets say ive seen the free gift of salvation (now who would ever think of denying such gift, eh?) but speak of the devil, gosh, i denied the gift, saying that i dont like it (maybe i was crazy at that time, or just plain stupid, or being a brat, hehe).. i-threaten diay ka na "oh sir, this free gift will perish, its only good for now, UNLESS you have faith in jesus christ, WHETHER YOU ACCEPT OR DENY, its no good." see the condition? its anchored on something else. u know what a truly free gift is? personally, if i were the giver, id say, "oh, thats okay kind sir. you can always drop by here again if someday you choose to get this free gift of yours. we have this free gift reserved for all men, you know. good luck on ur journey, and hope you drop by again. peace be with you." again, the condition of receiving the so-called free gift or not does not make it any less free.

the examples u presented are understandable, but a moot point, as i have explained before, and again now (in a hopefully, in a clearer tone).
thanks for participating though.. appreciate it.

cognitive dissonance due to doublethink
@nemmo
hmmm, i believe you just met someone i just briefly described earlier.hehehe

hehehe.. mind if you entertain my fancy for a moment? how oh how do you deal with such people?

[nemmo723]

true, high GOD-Bible influence. can't help it but believe in the GOD i serve. of course you will see it differently, inyo pud na, but would that mean i am so wrong and you are so right? and that you understand it better than i do? would it change my life or your life any better if i go with your sphere of thought? what bearing does it have in our real lives if it brings the best out of us? nothing right? it will not change anything. so why insist?

nobody's saying ur are so wrong and we are sooo right, mr. ho. yaw lagi ipersonalan. we are merely describing the characteristics based on an objective reference. we aren't insisting.. personally, i cant care any less if you change ur stance or not. its up to you. im merely expressing here what it is. like for example, this gift of salvation, its not free. its a gift of salvation alright, im not refuting it being a gift of salvation. but its just not free. and to all who wants this gift of salvation, by all means, do what you want to get it, im just here to "inform" that its not free.

To me the life of Christ, paul, john, peter and the rest of the apostles are living testimony of how great My GOD is. How rational and loving HE is. How awesome is HIS ways. should i stop listening to them and replace the very life i admire with yours? or M666? or AC? Come to think of it, these are people of GOD whose work had been bless by the LORD, and the wisdom given by the Spirit of GOD that gives power to their words as reflected in the Bible. That sort of influence is something hard to ignore, it lives for centuries and till these days it changes life, transform individuals to be obedient and reconciliatory to GOD first then to fellow men. should i stop now and heed to your explanation? so, nemmo, ok ra ko if you will keep on branding me as with cognitive dissonance, irrational justices, repressing information, etc.

umm.. wa man ko nagbrand nimo ana. that was T666 posts, or rather maybe from AC's post. and who knows where they got it. that's an objective statement. dont take it personally. and who said you should give up ur life and follow ours? sheeesh, yaw ana, mr. ho. wa man ko nagsulti jud ana. 1) I dont want no follower, much less a blind/slave follower 2) its a headache having to hear all that "Nemmo is rational and loving, nemmo is awesome, my life is for you nemmo." its nice and good to hear at first, but it gets really annoying and irritating to my ears having to hear all that about me all the time.

well, I know from the very start that you will object in what i have to say because of views differences, i take the Bible as infallible while you don't. there's the big gap, nothing less. so anything i say or you say will not hold water in each other view.

ahh, ad hominem pud ni. just because you think i take the Bible as fallible, u therefore conclude that its my reason for objecting what you have to say? that's a big prejudice you have there. u know what ur problem is.. ur not open minded. clear and simple.

the gift of GOD is not temporal but it has an expiration date, and that date will depend on you or the chosen time whichever or whoever comes first. meaning when we die, we can no longer avail of the free gift if we didn't choose to receive it prior our death and/or when the time the LORD comes for the second time then that free gift is no longer there for you. if you think it aint free kay naay condition, so be it, its not free, its blackmail to you, ok blackmail to you then, no prob about that sir. but will it change the way other people view it? not necessarily so. If i see it as half filled and you see it as half empty, would that change its value if we measure it by the kilo or gallons? nope it will still be of the same value but the behavior by how we see it will dictates our action, that simple sir.

hey, u introduce too many irrelevant factors in an argument, what to make your point sound more convincing? ngano na-abot naman ta ug half-full/half-empty oi. change how other people view it? please yaw na.. u pull out almost everything just to defend ur view. im not countering those. its plain simple.. free or not free. whether u change ur view or not, i dont really give a damn, whether u say its half-full/half-empty, its up to you. just dont put words in my mouth, k.

so naa siya expiration date noh? asa na gimanufacture? ahaka aning GOD oi, i thot forever never expire na. GOD gud na siya, diba.. and he'd settle for an expiration date. oh well, lahi pud na imong GOD noh.. asa ka nakabasa na naa na expiration date? naay tatak sa packaging?

blind faith (in jesus christ), that's what you have. --- Whoa such strong words. oh sir, i am not blind at all, i see it very clear that it made me follow HIM. you are so dead wrong in your assumption of me, you have based everything in the way you perceived and understand things, totally out of order if i may point so. well, i should say you are blinded as well but this time by the very absolutism your mind can comprehend, i wonder if there's such thing as influencing individual cognitive satisfaction against the truth of faith? well, I knew it but it will be futile to say it to you as you will never hear me for the influence of these world is clearly very strong upon your person. I know this is the place for you and you are so satisfied with it, but i see beyond what you see here and is that too bad at all? well sir, not to me, i know not to you as well, so what's the problem? lipay ka, lipay pud ko. so ayos bords!....

yeah, strong, and quite true. but thats okay, i know you'll never admit it. contrary to what you think, its not an assumption. and i can point out to you supporting evidences why you have blind faith. imong supporting evidences na blind ko, mr. ho, unsa man? i-lad2x daw sa lamesa. now dont state ur prejudices and biases as supporting evidences ha, walay nay substance gud. simple ra kaau akong pagsulti.. blind faith, that's what you have. i guess i must have pressed a really BIG RED BUTTON to have initiated that kind of response from you. all the more it shows.. peace mr. ho. but anyway, lets not jump to that discussion muna, lets stick to the topic at hand.

and by the way no muslim will receive the free gift of the GOD of the Bible through Jesus Christ. unless He will give up all his custom, tradition and belief. in the same way no Christian will be accepted by al'lah if he will not denounce his christianity. the choice has to be made whichever you go sir.

exactly, so why do u still keep calling it "free".. even ang bata maka-feel na something's amiss in this so-called "free gift". pero daghan man gud pakapin oodles of bundles of flowery description. so madani ra pud ang bata.

really my belief will eventually reach us to human annihilation? branding again ug personalan, and you can't see that right? hehe. because by your very word that is what sets you a part, common sir. oh well, ingana gyud na, it's human nature exhibited at its best.

diba ikaw nag-ingon imong belief will eventually lead us to a phase of human annihilation? but we cannot deny the fact as well that by the same nature we have cause destructions sometimes beyond our own magnitude, for eventually we will reach that very phase of human annihilation. just maybe you put more weight on the negative nature of man, so u believe maabot ta ana na point.. well, i dont believe ma-abot ta ana na point. hehehe.. this is too easy. i thot it would still be a challenge.

but, of course not sir, the congregation i am with, does not kill people, we share the gospel of our LORD and the choice has to be made by the person individually but if you reject it, ok lang wala pugsanay. basta naka dungog ang tao about the LORD for the nth times lang even if rejected for the nth time as well, basta naka buhat ug informed choice that'a all that matters sir.

yeah.. unless they are saved from this "mostly evil" human nature.. etc. etc. now let me bring up something, what if kanang person does not want to join ur church, (what if a lot of people dont join,) and you believe he/they have the tendency to bring about human annihilation? so what u gonna do? tsk, tsk, i smell a hitler-type scenario brewing.. exactly what those suicide bombers are made of.. religious fanaticism, different recipe, same good ole destructive taste.

haha, sham alternative accuse you? what does that mean? boy sir, you misunderstood me again. it means something like ..... hmmm........ let me quote you "religious shroud". Me doing that? tsk, tsk, tsk. personalan and branding? well, i expected it, more so coming from you. ok rana, i knew it all along man. hehe.

yah a shroud is used to cover a cadaver, i understand that sir. accusing me again of ignorance. still nothing new. i expected that bellow the belt blow anyway. and i know there's more to come.

read the dictionary first oi!

I didn't say your aunt is stupid, your putting words into my mouth again, expected that as well. what ever makes you happy sir. ok lang. that's great she knows how to go around, like a strategy. but it wont work to you right? because I know you know better than her. youp at least i am very honest in saying that indeed i have my biases, i only respond accordingly, i treat them by the very way they behave.

hahahaha.. claiming innocence eh.. here.. ill strip it off ur decorative words.
Just like your aunt, who maybe is so sympathetic, timid in her ways, and just like other Christians who are supposed to be so naive to the point of sounding like stupids
sige lang.. no offense taken. like i said, u dont know her... i rest my case however. (u cant even get along with other Christians, oh well...)

especially when they say words they don't mean. Lip service is what we call them. But ingana gyud na ang life. ako ni, imo pud na. you have all the right to do whatever you want but as the saying goes your freedom stops when my freedom begins............ GOD bless you sir and have a nice day

yeah... u too mr. ho.. hehehe.. mukaon sa ko deri..

[Mr.Ho_chia]

well its free gift of salvation for all, even if you say otherwise.

hehehe, nag tuo d i ka nga mo follow gyud ko nimo sir? i knew it! all the while why you're so engrossed in what you are saying here, you wanted acknowledgment of how your words are appreciated? club admiration.com hehe.
King tinuod man gani na sir nga mag-apas ka admiration, i think naaman gyud mga istoryans admire nimo sir. and i can see that but for you to ask mine, mura, dili mana sakto sir. aw basin sayop ra pud ako pagsabot. mura hagbay naman gud ni balik-balik. and for what? unsa mang gyud purpose ani tanan? admiration? sorry...........

hahaha. hala ka dha. nemmo your awesome? nemmi your great? paet. nagdahum ai. ayaw ka suko sir ha, if you really want admiration, dli pud na sa ingani nga way oi.

I am not open minded. plain and simple. just because i don't admire your ways close minded na ko nuon. aw nindot na sir. coming from you. should i be worried? at least dli ko mangusog kung walay mo admire nako, but i will not allow people to step on me just because wala ko na admire nila when they demanded it from me.

and you think i give a damn as well indoy? sorry i don't! putting words into your mouth? sayop ka indoy, imo na forte. kaw na imo gdescribe. wal gani expiration, ma expire lang na kung ma tyugi ka, ma expire kung ikaw na ang ma expire kay wa man sab nimo dawata ang free.

oo na, prejudice, bias ug unsa pan dha. ug ayaw kalimot nga ikaw na. sakto kaayo imong description sa imong kaugalingon sir ai. and i know you will never admit something negative of you, kay bilib manka sa imoself, nahan man gani ka solicit admiration. makatawa man ko nimo indoy oi.

Ladlaran na ni indoy, walay taguay. unsaun man nako lahi man imong gusto. mamugos man ka sa imong gana, dili man mahimo. ako-ako sir. imo-imo pud na, wala man sab ko pakialam kung unsa imo gusto ug unsa imong sabot kay imo mana, but ang ako-ako pud, ayaw ko ingna nga matuo ko nimo nga sayop ko ug sakto ka nga di raba gyud sir.

Shroud- cloth in wc a corpse is wrapped for burial. something to cover/ conceal. --- dictionary nana. satisfied? kabright gud ni sir oi, gpatanaw pa gyud ko dictionary kay walay salig sa akoa. ok lang at least wala ko mamugos mo admire mga tao nako. hehe

sounding like and being one is the same? ow, you embarrassed me. and i think panaman ngilngig gyud ka. dis-appointing kaayo da. don't get along with other Christian? hahaha. unsa paman sir kay minaw ko nimo, kaw nalang kaha ako arun sakto ka pilmi? hehe. nice sa. ")


and finale indoy, i have 3 words for you........ live with it.

ana rana sir ka simple.

[nemmo723]

mr. ho,

mupahuway sa ko aning istorya. murag its taking too much of my time having to reply to people who are not taking their replies that seriously, professionally or maturely.

hey, take care always..

~someday we'll know why samson loved delilah..~

[shimiyu]

OT:
hehe lagi.. pahuway sa bai. sweet na gyud kaayo mo, hehe :mrgreen:

[j-tech31again]

yes luwas ko ka ni salig ko sa ginoo

[BushidoFMA]

hmm, i understand what you presented. but the condition here is not on the receiving. its anchored on a different thing, which is to have faith in jesus christ. can't i choose to receive a gift without having faith on the jesus christ? who gave the gift? and what kind of gift is this? this gift is not perishable, its not temporal, is it?

so let me ask again a simple example, lets say im a taoist. then i heard of this free gift of salvation from a born-again preacher. i ask, oh, how does one acquire this gift of salvation? the born-again preacher begins to instruct that i have to have faith in jesus christ.. yeah, so i choose to receive this "free gift" by choosing to have "faith" in jesus christ.. but what does this "having faith" in jesus christ entail? it entails that i give up the very principles i have grown to believe in being a taoist, become a zombie to their church organization, continually profess my "inefficiency" before GOD (because frankly, thats what they all do), so is this gift really that free? its shackled with chains and string. what does this "having faith" really entail?

the fact that i have to do something ELSE in order to receive it makes it already a condition. ngano diay kung mu-ingon lang sila.. "hey, how do i acquire this free gift of salvation.. this church keeps on saying they give out free gift of salvation." and you go to the front door and asks, what if they reply, "oh, just wait here, ill get you one of these free gifts of salvation... (pause for a moment), there u go kind sir.. thanks for dropping by.. it was a pleasure to meet you. peace be with you always." how different is that from "oh in order for you to acquire this, kind sir, you have to do this, and that, believe in this, and that.. etc, etc." which of the two is really free? (the former is very buddhist, dont u think? hehe)

and to entertain the other argument, lets say ive seen the free gift of salvation (now who would ever think of denying such gift, eh?) but speak of the devil, gosh, i denied the gift, saying that i dont like it (maybe i was crazy at that time, or just plain stupid, or being a brat, hehe).. i-threaten diay ka na "oh sir, this free gift will perish, its only good for now, UNLESS you have faith in jesus christ, WHETHER YOU ACCEPT OR DENY, its no good." see the condition? its anchored on something else. u know what a truly free gift is? personally, if i were the giver, id say, "oh, thats okay kind sir. you can always drop by here again if someday you choose to get this free gift of yours. we have this free gift reserved for all men, you know. good luck on ur journey, and hope you drop by again. peace be with you." again, the condition of receiving the so-called free gift or not does not make it any less free.

the examples u presented are understandable, but a moot point, as i have explained before, and again now (in a hopefully, in a clearer tone).
thanks for participating though.. appreciate it.

hehehe.. mind if you entertain my fancy for a moment? how oh how do you deal with such people?

Now i think it is no longer my responsibility to answer this type of argument kato sa understanding sa "FREE" ra ang ako.

pero mao lang ni ako masabtan hehehehe,

kung free ang gihatag nako nga sapatos then nakita nak nga mas nindot ang free nga gihatag nga sapatos kaysa sa akong present nga sapatos,so i am willing to take off my old shoes and throw it away and wear the new free shoes,hehehehe.

[Baroy]

ako tubagon ug yes luwas nko tungod sa akong pagtou...

[Mr.Ho_chia]

mr. ho,

mupahuway sa ko aning istorya. murag its taking too much of my time having to reply to people who are not taking their replies that seriously, professionally or maturely.

hey, take care always..

~someday we'll know why samson loved delilah..~

btaw. mamahuway ta kay kapoy btaw tubag, anyway dili man paminawun. arun walay pugsanay.
youp, you too. if you know why do tell me, arun umpisa napud ta. hehe cheers!