Be Proud of Being Catholic

[r3roble]

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i'd like to quote you on this part "The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone".

my understanding of the "respectful veneration" is, God is for God, while Saints are for saints.

second point... "The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is." That means that if you pray to Mary's, Saints and et all... it is indeed towards what the image represents which then takes you back to the first commandent.

2 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 3 "You shall have no other gods before [a] me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of ANYTHING in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.

bro, saints are different from God... and we only have one God but many saints.

as explained earlier bro, it's not contradicting the first commandment.
in my opinion our Catechism was created to enhance what is in the bible and created by collective church leaders with God's guidance and has been defended for more than a thousand years.. so i believe them when they say it's not contradicting...

[necrotic freak]

i'd like to quote you on this part "The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone". wouldn't that be something that God will not approve since its like you telling us that your veneration to these others are made because God cannot take the spotlight alone but he has to share it with some else?

second point... "The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is." That means that if you pray to Mary's, Saints and et all... it is indeed towards what the image represents which then takes you back to the first commandent

2 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 3 "You shall have no other gods before [a] me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of ANYTHING in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.



wouldn't that be contradicting what God has said... and remember, that chapter starts of with



Ex. 20: 1 And God spoke all these words...



I dont know about you but if God spoke all those words, who am I to contradict them...

Now one must ask the question: "Does God forbid the making of statues, or does He condemn the worship of statues?"

but first you must consider at the time of Moses what the Israelites made that made God angry. they are making a Golden calf and they worshipped it. obviously that is a flase god, paganism.. now by making a statue that proclaiming the majesty of God, wouldnt that exults God?

Now if God simply forbids the making of graven images, then there are problems elsewhere in the Bible. First, in Exodus 25:18-21, God commands Moses to make two statues of angels (cherubim) for the top of the Ark of the Covenant. Later in Numbers 21:8-9, God commands Moses to make a bronze serpent, so that the people who were bitten by snakes could look upon it and be healed. Now it is true that centuries later King Hezekiah destroyed it; however, this action was done because the people worshipped it as a god (2 Kings 18:4). In the Gospel, Jesus compared Himself to the bronze serpent (John 3:14). Continuing in the Old Testament, the inner sanctuary of the Temple contained two large statues of angels according to 1 Kings 6:23-28. In the following verses, Solomon also had the walls of the Temple decorated with carved images of angels, palm trees and flowers (1 Kings 6:29ff). During the Babylonian Captivity, Ezekiel had a vision from God about the design of the new Temple. According to Ezekiel 41:17-25, this new Temple contained graven images of angels and palm trees. These passages in the Bible indicate that God does not forbid the making of statues. If God truly condemned the making of graven images in the "Second Commandment", then He must have changed His mind later in the Old Testament.

[botslob]

tinood daghan sipyat ang katoliko pero dako pod nahimo ang katoliko sa kalibutan. proud jud ko as catholic pero di pod ko moto-o nga kami ra ang maluwas. Bisag balibalihon pa na nimo basa ang bibliya Ginoo ra magbuot kun kinsa iya luwason.

[dartzed]

tinood daghan sipyat ang katoliko pero dako pod nahimo ang katoliko sa kalibutan. proud jud ko as catholic pero di pod ko moto-o nga kami ra ang maluwas. Bisag balibalihon pa na nimo basa ang bibliya Ginoo ra magbuot kun kinsa iya luwason.

yup its natural, ang tao nga way saup ang abnormal... esp kad2ng dawlims lang..

hmmm kinsa kaha na cla?... wahehee

[davies107]

Exodus 20


4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Remember, this was from the commandments that God has personally given to Moses. I have seen this on the walls of some churches, I hope you understand the full meaning of it...

You ask, "which of our prayers would you say is praying to the saint", then let me tell you, who do you ask if you are in need of financial help, who do you ask for help when you are sick, who do you pray to when you are celebrating a fiesta, who do you mention more in praying the rosary... if you know all these, then you should have your answer...

Very well said or wrote diay kay forum ni, hehehe... Grabe ka clear..

PEACE!

[botslob]

Now one must ask the question: "Does God forbid the making of statues, or does He condemn the worship of statues?"

but first you must consider at the time of Moses what the Israelites made that made God angry. they are making a Golden calf and they worshipped it. obviously that is a flase god, paganism.. now by making a statue that proclaiming the majesty of God, wouldnt that exults God?

Now if God simply forbids the making of graven images, then there are problems elsewhere in the Bible. First, in Exodus 25:18-21, God commands Moses to make two statues of angels (cherubim) for the top of the Ark of the Covenant. Later in Numbers 21:8-9, God commands Moses to make a bronze serpent, so that the people who were bitten by snakes could look upon it and be healed. Now it is true that centuries later King Hezekiah destroyed it; however, this action was done because the people worshipped it as a god (2 Kings 18:4). In the Gospel, Jesus compared Himself to the bronze serpent (John 3:14). Continuing in the Old Testament, the inner sanctuary of the Temple contained two large statues of angels according to 1 Kings 6:23-28. In the following verses, Solomon also had the walls of the Temple decorated with carved images of angels, palm trees and flowers (1 Kings 6:29ff). During the Babylonian Captivity, Ezekiel had a vision from God about the design of the new Temple. According to Ezekiel 41:17-25, this new Temple contained graven images of angels and palm trees. These passages in the Bible indicate that God does not forbid the making of statues. If God truly condemned the making of graven images in the "Second Commandment", then He must have changed His mind later in the Old Testament.

pyter bradix. hihihihi. pwede naka magpari hihihihi. saon ning mga sweto sweto'g bibliya kay nagto-o sila atong giampoan ang mga santos tsk tsk. kanang mga rebolto wa ta magampo niana. representation lang na sa ilang pagkamatarong. kita man gani mokuha man gani tag picture sa atong mga parente og friends pero wala ta moworship. we're just trying to recall the good times with them. mao ra sab na sa mga statues. ok ba mga bradix? hihihihi

[r3roble]

nagexplain na bitaw ko sa mga previous post nako bro. segi manlang gihapon sila ask, kay wla lagi daw sa bible...

ang wala pa sad nasabti is ang image ba sa mga saints, ni Lord Jesus and mother Mary, graven image / idol bani sya? dli man sa? idols and graven images raman ang gidili.

[dartzed]

d jud na cla kasabot ky natatak naman na sa ila utok na mao jud na ang binuhatan sa RC.. mura brainwash man guro term ana.. or maybe sa una RC pa cla ang ila giampoan ang rebolto mismo.. nya kadungog ug wali sa lain religion nya panan.aw nila saup aw nagpaconvert.. well ila man sad na choice d man ta kabuot..

[newtonscousin]

Not found in your Bible.. coz the bible you use is not the one catholics uses. the first official bible of the church "Latin Vulgate" has 72 books. not 66 books that you are using.

same lng.. kinsa nag sulti nga lain2 ta ninyo ug Bible? (aside cguro sa mga dli Christians)
u knw n d other thread that i was once observing Catholic beliefs before but they are not encourage from the Bible.
like what you called "Purgatory", like "indulgences", like "Images".
clearly the Bible states in His Commandments about images. unsa paman jud diay atong gusto nga nag ingon naman si God nga
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

now anyone here can tell me nga this specific commandments about images iya ni gi reverse n provide texts.

ang tawo man jud mangita jud ug reason bisan naa nay Bible para e follow.
=we are ought to Obey God rather than men.
=it is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.

many others say that Religion is a Business.
Sorry but Religion to me is Not a Business.
i dont know what religion ang gi himo ug business karong panahona kaha.

[dartzed]

same lng.. kinsa nag sulti nga lain2 ta ninyo ug Bible? (aside cguro sa mga dli Christians)
u knw n d other thread that i was once observing Catholic beliefs before but they are not encourage from the Bible.
like what you called "Purgatory", like "indulgences", like "Images".
clearly the Bible states in His Commandments about images. unsa paman jud diay atong gusto nga nag ingon naman si God nga
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

now anyone here can tell me nga this specific commandments about images iya ni gi reverse n provide texts.

ang tawo man jud mangita jud ug reason bisan naa nay Bible para e follow.
=we are ought to Obey God rather than men.
=it is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.

many others say that Religion is a Business.
Sorry but Religion to me is Not a Business.
i dont know what religion ang gi himo ug business karong panahona kaha.

kung gideli pa bro y gisugo man sa ginuo si moses paghimo ug statue sa cherubim (Exodus 25:18-21)?..

usa pa bro kani:
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

was pointed sa gods kay atong unang panahon wala cla kakita ug kaila kinsa ug unsa ang ginuo.. more over pagan kasagaran sa una pasabot bsan unsa ila giworship nga naa sa hangin, sa yuta ug sa ubos sa yuta..