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  1. #4641

    Lightbulb so tan-aw2x mo diha mga silingang Instik di mudapig sa Ph...birahi dayon befor mka-deploy missle @ least kbalos ta gamay


    if Digong is not afraid to kill those involves sa drugs once he takes the helm ... then he should not be afraid also to end the diplomatic relation with China or the most order a national product boycott for China not abiding UNCLOS ruling kay what China did is more than selling drugs since it's our sovereign rights that is being taken away










    China says not afraid of ‘trouble’ after US warning
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  2. #4642
    Quote Originally Posted by anggwaponi View Post
    if Digong is not afraid to kill those involves sa drugs once he takes the helm ... then he should not be afraid also to end the diplomatic relation with China or the most order a national product boycott for China not abiding UNCLOS ruling kay what China did is more than selling drugs since it's our sovereign rights that is being taken away
    you can only cut diplomatic ties if you are in state of war... so you want to declare war against china?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anggwaponi View Post
    if Digong is not afraid to kill those involves sa drugs once he takes the helm ... then he should not be afraid also to end the diplomatic relation with China or the most order a national product boycott for China not abiding UNCLOS ruling kay what China did is more than selling drugs since it's our sovereign rights that is being taken away










    China says not afraid of ‘trouble’ after US warning
    NOTE: News link courtesy of Inquirer.net
    National product boycott.. Good luck with that.

  4. #4644

    Exclamation di lang itoy2x kun di boang pa gyud ni si Digong kun uyon c'ya bilateral talks with China

    Quote Originally Posted by salbahis View Post
    you can only cut diplomatic ties if you are in state of war... so you want to declare war against china?


    AFAIK kay not necessarily full blown war man gyud ayha pa maka-end sa diplomatic relation ang usa ka nasud


    like sa nahitabo karon tali sa Saudi ug Iran in which Saudi a Sunni-majority while Iran is a Shiite-majority so naka-feel tingali ang Saudi nga gisuportahan sa Iran ang ISIS nga one of it's objective is the downfall of Saudi royal family so end dayon


    then ni-follow na pud ang ubang countries like Bahrain which is also governed by royal families, as well, UAE


    though naay gitawag karon nga proxy war sa Yemen between Saudi-lead coalition forces against Iran-backed militias


    it's the reason nga impossible di maka-declare ang Ph to end it's diplomatic relation with China considering sa bag-ong pamahayag na pud karon sa China nga ngano man diay kun pildi sila sa UN knowing nakaplastar na man sila sa West Philippine Sea


    mas maglagot pa ning China kun luwatan sa Ph ang diplomatic relation kay mohunong man sab bayad natu sa atung mga otang nila aheheh Lol








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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostie2472 View Post
    National product boycott.. Good luck with that.


    with your kind of reply, it seems wa ka salig sa resourcefulness, capabilities ug ingenuity sa mga Pinoy


    and i'm sure just like the rest, handlok na sab ka kay all our products are China-made .. if so,


    kamabaw gyud sa imong panglantaw ... you're only after the materials aspects and you're not thinking of the next next Filipino generation to come


    it's not for us to decide ... but it's us to defend it so we can hand it over to the sons and daughters of our children's children


    hinaut, next time mu-type o input ka sa imong message and if you have time ... kindly read the recent history of Cuba, Vietnam, NoKor, Libya, Iran, and Afghanistan, as well, South Africa who have all experienced economic embargo








    Outgoing solgen tackles maritime row with successor
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    Last edited by anggwaponi; 06-06-2016 at 11:21 AM. Reason: ang kanang China di na basta2x kagubat sa Ph kun mu-end ta diplomatic relation ... saonz ;)

  5. #4645
    well point taken on saudi-iran issue, but the fact is we are to be hostile with them, then what? can we enforce it forcibly? i doubt that... should we wait for other country to enforce it? that is still remain to be seen... again there is nothing wrong being friendly as long as you are keeping eye on the price, and carry a stick... playing the diplomatic card is best for us right now... let's face it we cant enforce it... but that doesn't mean we have to give in (thats a different story)... remember wala pa nahitabo so we should stop speculating without facts...

    product boycott is actually suntok-sa-buwan... US have tried it already and other countries that didnt work... again... boycotting is ok but doing it on phases... doing it one time is like stop smoking right immediately... our local industry is mostly export... what we can do is stop buying imported meat either processed or not... dugay nami sa ako family nga local livestock ra amo mga paliton... local produce pwede ra dili nata mo salig sa china... but for other products? good luck.. even the US branded shampoo uses ingredients from china, the local laundry soap uses components from china... iphone is made in china, galaxy phone from korea uses chip that came from china... macbook uses chip made in china...

    in business context... there is no enemy only competition...


    sinophobia doesnt help on our current situation..
    Last edited by salbahis; 06-06-2016 at 12:01 PM.

  6. #4646
    ^ I've known people who stopped smoking right then. Cold Turkey. Some were successful, some relapsed. Boycotting is not the same as cold turkey. Chemical products around the world were founded mainly through chinese medicine, a philisophy of medicine recognized by the WHO.

    However, nothing can stop China because nobody wants to, except for the Phils. Asean conferences are only there to enhance ties in entrepreneurship and no political measures whatsoever and I dont buy in the clean slate of stopping china. US & SG just can't strike against their daddy (china) because billions of money will be lost in the process and in way of showing off, they tackle on non-discriminate tactics by inducing diplomatic bureaucracy into an affair where China is the main dish, a nation where US economy is dependent.

  7. #4647
    more like China is worlds factory... thats a fact... and sad to say all economies in the world are dependent on chinese export... sakit man pamalandungon but mao nay realidad... katong mga gusto mo boycott you start and tell us after 1 month if naunsa...

  8. #4648

    Lightbulb ang mga corals nga mauy gipuy-an sa mga isda, nangaguba na tawon :(

    Quote Originally Posted by salbahis View Post
    well point taken on saudi-iran issue, but the fact is we are to be hostile with them, then what? can we enforce it forcibly? i doubt that... should we wait for other country to enforce it? that is still remain to be seen... again there is nothing wrong being friendly as long as you are keeping eye on the price, and carry a stick... playing the diplomatic card is best for us right now... let's face it we cant enforce it... but that doesn't mean we have to give in (thats a different story)... remember wala pa nahitabo so we should stop speculating without facts...

    product boycott is actually suntok-sa-buwan... US have tried it already and other countries that didnt work... again... boycotting is ok but doing it on phases... doing it one time is like stop smoking right immediately... our local industry is mostly export... what we can do is stop buying imported meat either processed or not... dugay nami sa ako family nga local livestock ra amo mga paliton... local produce pwede ra dili nata mo salig sa china... but for other products? good luck.. even the US branded shampoo uses ingredients from china, the local laundry soap uses components from china... iphone is made in china, galaxy phone from korea uses chip that came from china... macbook uses chip made in china...

    in business context... there is no enemy only competition...


    sinophobia doesnt help on our current situation
    ..


    wow! hanep


    bilib na gyud ko sa imong depensa pabor sa China or whatever you may call it but that's the way i see it


    sorry to say but your explanation also sounds either nahadlok ka wa na lain maka-supply as you think that most raw materials comes from China ... or at the same time wa ka salig sa pagka-resourceful ug ingenuity sa mga Pinoy


    besides, i can't believe nga your only thinking or cares about how China may feels towards us but your not considering our feeling also


    it's very demeaning that your so concerned we can be hostile with China ... pero unsa man ng gibuhat sa China dire natu didto sa West Philippine Sea, di ba kun naa pa labaw sa hostile kay mao na na?


    and as i said many many times that UNCLOS has no police power to implement forcing China to vacate in West Philippine Sea. likewise, and yes! why not but while waiting for other country to enforce ... we can do our share by either having a product-boycott or a total end of diplomatic relation


    it's also the point i'm trying to emphasize that the US embargo on Iran, Libya, Vietnam, Cuba and NoKor didn't work so well even with the support of US allies ... so how much more nga China ra man ang mawala sa atu


    i've also explained it many many times and in details nga naa gyud na immediate impact sa product-boycott or cutting the diplomatic relation, no doubt about it ... however, sa sinugdanan lang na


    because if you have observed it, niingon diay ang katawhan sa Iran, Libya, Vietnam, Cuba ug NoKor nga ayaw o di natu suklan o palaguton ang US arun di ta nila hatagan economic embargo? wala!


    the people of those countries has persevered of the economic embargo implemented to them by US but they have survive it in which i'm sure the older generation from those countries can be proud to speak to there younger generation that they have withstand the stage they're having economic embargo


    kita pa kaha nga China ra ang mawala natu? oh gush ... mao ning China musamot kagara kay sorry to say it mga tawo sama nimo mahadlok man putlon ang diplomatic relation o mu-product boycott kay mas gipalabi pa gi-huna2x nga ang China di masakitan o di maglagot natu kay kita hostile pastilan


    ang kanang ingon nimo nga our local industry is mostly export, materialistic aspect ra kaayo na ... what if muminos atung fish supplies and that the next Filipino generation basulon ta nga mga ga-una nga ila ta tulisukon nga nagpasagad ta sa atung katungod sa kukahadlok mosukol kay gipalabi pa natu ang mga butang nga lumalabay lamang


    lastly, nagdahom gyud pud diay ka nga inig wa na ang China ... walay lain makapuli sa ilang pwesto? if so, research2x pud ginagmay




    Quote Originally Posted by brownie View Post
    ^ I've known people who stopped smoking right then. Cold Turkey. Some were successful, some relapsed. Boycotting is not the same as cold turkey. Chemical products around the world were founded mainly through chinese medicine, a philisophy of medicine recognized by the WHO.

    However, nothing can stop China because nobody wants to, except for the Phils. Asean conferences are only there to enhance ties in entrepreneurship and no political measures whatsoever and I dont buy in the clean slate of stopping china. US & SG just can't strike against their daddy (china) because billions of money will be lost in the process and in way of showing off, they tackle on non-discriminate tactics by inducing diplomatic bureaucracy into an affair where China is the main dish, a nation where US economy is dependent
    .


    if we will not show something to China towards sa ilang gipangbuhat karon didto sa West Philippine Sea then ma-olaw sab ta oi sa atung mga forebears nga bisan sundang gamiton mosukol sa mga banyaga





    Quote Originally Posted by salbahis View Post
    more like China is worlds factory... thats a fact... and sad to say all economies in the world are dependent on chinese export... sakit man pamalandungon but mao nay realidad... katong mga gusto mo boycott you start and tell us after 1 month if naunsa...


    when French tried to colonized Vietnam then US but as Vietnamese fought back, the Vietnamese people didn't think if mu-asenso sila o di. ang ilaha lang is to push back the foreign invaders


    when China massacred those Vietnamese soldiers in Johnson South Reef, ni-warning o nagpasalba na daan sa ilang guns ang China sa mga Vietnamese soldiers ... pero bilib ko sa kaisug gipakita sa mga Vietnamese soldiers nga nipadayon gyud lakaw during low tide sa shoal. nahurot man tuod kamatay ang mga Vietnamese soldiers pero saludo ko nila


    karon kun naay dautang epekto ang pagputol sa diplomatic relation o product-boycott sa China kay atu na atubangon kay kabalo ko di pa ta mangamatay anang higayuna





    US-China dialogue underscores sharp divisions
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  9. #4649

    Exclamation atung ipakita bisan wa ta igong mga armas nga wa ta nahadlok by total product-boycott or end diplomatic relation ;)

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    Fear of trouble
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  10. #4650

    Lightbulb yes! nagka-init na ... basin duol2x na ni sa kamatuoran ;) aheheh

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