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  1. #4521

    Quote Originally Posted by jovipeorliohacokijo View Post
    kung kabasa ka bro sa previous posts, dunay kawat ug patay nga nahitabo sulod sa simbahan. kasagaran ingon diri nga ang Ginoo ra ang dunay power/gahum ug wai laing gamhanan nga mukuntra ana. pangutana, nganong nahitabo man ng mga ingon ana nga evil nga binuhatan sa sulod mismo sa simbahan? dili diay sa Ginoo ang simbahan ky wala man siya power against ana preventing it to happen inside mismo sa church?
    Hi bro, balik nako, hehehe…

    Kung ang imong ipasabot nga GAHUM bro, ang pagbadlong ug pagpugong sa mga dili maayong elemento pinaagi sa pulong sa Dios diha sa atong palibot ilabina sa sulod sa simbahan kana dunay chances nga mapugngan nato o mismo sa simbahan kanang mga butanga… pagpangawat ug pagpatay, wala man pd mangawat gd panahon sa misa, hehehe kay wa may kawatan nga magpakita

    Pero kung ang gahum imong gipasabot nga mosulod lang gane ang kawatan, magkayo na ang tiil, or ma-ice lng ug kalit.. hahahahahahahaha…nya ang mga sakristan mura nag mga AIRBENDER ang effect, hahahahahahaha…

    MA OFF TOPIC ta ani bro… kasab-an tang boss spring aneh.. hehehehhe, sensya nka boss, hek

  2. #4522
    Quote Originally Posted by acescream View Post
    thank you for an enlightening food for thought sir. who said this by the way? are you somewhat enlightened sir? do you still have questions about the why there are some RCC traditions not in the Bible? Take a look at how Vaticano made their own Ten Commandments: Catechism of the Catholic Church - The Ten Commandments << very legit, alive & kicking, up-to-date, the Vatican itself

    Notice how in row 'A Traditional Catechetical Formula' they removed the creation of any graven image? That is actually commandment number 2 in Exodus. How come it became 10 in total? They split commandment number 10, a commandment regarding our neighbors.

    Just so to promote idolatry freely The use of images happened around approx 375 AD or earlier around 156 AD(years after the death of Christ & the Apostles)



    yes sir i take this in a positive way, of course if di ko muputak og maayo, di pud ko mangitlog og facts nga karon pa ninyo narealize gikan sa Bible, og kalooy sa Diyos intawn(God's mercy), daghan kog naitlog.

    RCC or not let's all be open-minded, and search for God:

    Deuteronomy 4:29 - "But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find Him if you search for Him with all your heart and all your soul."

    Ask lang mo if naa mo questions. I'm not a pro so mobalibad ko if wa koy idea hehehe
    hi bro, base sa imung link nga gihatag
    ang kadtong part nga "creation of any graven image" kay under raman sa 1st commandment nga
    I am the LORD your God: you shall not have strange Gods before me.
    under row 'A Traditional Catechetical Formula' bale kini nga column mao na ang summarized version bali
    ang details mao tong sa deuteronomy ug exodus.

    and if RC is really up to hiding something about the controversial graven images
    nganu ibutang paman na diha nga maka stir up ug questions such as kini imu gi raise run?
    Don't you think it's a bit off to post something that can lead people questioning?

    anyhow, you're interpretation is just one of the many others...
    for us mga RC, there are reasons why we do not consider it idolatry, and for others idolatry pud na...
    it's just a matter of POV and interpretation really
    what's makes you so sure about yours?

    ok it's fine if mao na imu pagtan.aw ug pagsabut but making it as an absolute is totally a different story
    on top of that naay usa ka sure gi ingun si Jesus about passing judgement to others.
    Don't you think you are a little over the line?

    Other Forumers kindly check the Link so you can see pud. Thank You!
    Last edited by noy; 01-11-2013 at 10:12 PM.

  3. #4523
    Quote Originally Posted by acescream View Post
    Bitaw maam oi, thanks, it was fun. I thought natay-an na ko lol thank God la pa intawn. Uyamot ra tawon ko mam high school student sa Consolacion National High School naa sa internetan ga-istorya.net.
    paytera sah? you mean the Doctrine of Christianity about Jesus being God which undergone
    centuries and milleniums of studies by Doctors and Scholars of the Church
    and series of tests and verification of the Bible made by secular science was
    debuked by a high school student?...Amazing! Lol

  4. #4524
    Quote Originally Posted by blackdream View Post
    Hi bro, balik nako, hehehe…

    Kung ang imong ipasabot nga GAHUM bro, ang pagbadlong ug pagpugong sa mga dili maayong elemento pinaagi sa pulong sa Dios diha sa atong palibot ilabina sa sulod sa simbahan kana dunay chances nga mapugngan nato o mismo sa simbahan kanang mga butanga… pagpangawat ug pagpatay, wala man pd mangawat gd panahon sa misa, hehehe kay wa may kawatan nga magpakita

    Pero kung ang gahum imong gipasabot nga mosulod lang gane ang kawatan, magkayo na ang tiil, or ma-ice lng ug kalit.. hahahahahahahaha…nya ang mga sakristan mura nag mga AIRBENDER ang effect, hahahahahahaha…

    MA OFF TOPIC ta ani bro… kasab-an tang boss spring aneh.. hehehehhe, sensya nka boss, hek
    naa kawat bro oi, seguro wala lng nabalita, pero killing during mass, naa, mga pari mismo ang nabiktima ug mga parokyano. kung iya pa sa Ginoo ang simbahan bro, wai mahitabo nga ingon ana oi.

  5. #4525
    Quote Originally Posted by jovipeorliohacokijo View Post
    naa kawat bro oi, seguro wala lng nabalita, pero killing during mass, naa, mga pari mismo ang nabiktima ug mga parokyano. kung iya pa sa Ginoo ang simbahan bro, wai mahitabo nga ingon ana oi.
    JOVI ... you are now referring to HEAVEN and not the CHURCH .

    Ani na lang .... ngano rampant man kaayo ang PERSECUTIONS sa EARLY CHRISTIANS when in fact , naa man unta ang GINOO ? Ngano daghan man ang MARTYR'S dying for the GLORY of GOD ? Ngano daghan man kaayong PROBLEMA nangabot sa kinabuhi nimo personally, sa mga kauban nimo sa imohang skwelahan ug sa tanang mga tinun-an na schoolmates nimo na unta kamo man ang naka ila ni JESUS CHRIST kaha ?

    Do not answer these questions but instead , ponder on it .

    Kay mahimong debate na man ang topic .
    " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. " - 2nd Amendment , Bill of Rights of the United States of America

  6. #4526
    Quote Originally Posted by jovipeorliohacokijo View Post
    naa kawat bro oi, seguro wala lng nabalita, pero killing during mass, naa, mga pari mismo ang nabiktima ug mga parokyano. kung iya pa sa Ginoo ang simbahan bro, wai mahitabo nga ingon ana oi.
    kani imo JOvi nahinumdom naman noon ko ato istoya sa bata pako...eng ani to sya

    naay usa ka hubog, nag huramentado,

    gipanigbas niya tanan nga iyang gipangutana ug motoo ba silag ginoo basta ang tubag gani "oo" iyang tigabason, hangtod naabot siya sa simbahan, natayming sad nga ang pari nag misa, gipangutana ang hubog sa pari dong! ngano mo man sila gipanigbas? nitubag ang hubog "ahh! nag lagot ko padre ako gipangutana ug motoo ba silag ginoo ang ilang tubag OO daw, akong gitigbas kay di man ko motoo ug ginoo, ikaw padre mo too kag ginoo? (pangutana sa hubog) nitubag ang pari nga nag pang lad-ok salaway...di dong oi kumedya ra man ng ako
    Last edited by slabdans; 01-12-2013 at 12:28 AM.

  7. #4527
    Sa kadtong mga wala pa naka move on sa issue about IDOLATRY , IDOLATERS , GRAVEN IMAGES , STATUES, etc ...

    I do hope this would be the last time you would be asking about it.

    Check the link for a more in depth read so you guys will be enlightened.

    Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers


    @ACESCREAM ....

    Regarding the RCC hiding the 2nd COMMANDMENT , indeed pwerting bahawa na ani na issue thrown by PROTESTANTS to CATHOLICS. Take time to read .

    Hiding the Second Commandment?

    Another charge sometimes made by Protestants is that the Catholic Church "hides" the second commandment. This is because in Catholic catechisms, the first commandment is often listed as "You shall have no other gods before me" (Ex. 20:3), and the second is listed as "You shall not take the name of the Lord in vain." (Ex. 20:7). From this, it is argued that Catholics have deleted the prohibition of idolatry to justify their use of religious statues. But this is false. Catholics simply group the commandments differently from most Protestants.

    In Exodus 20:2–17, which gives the Ten Commandments, there are actually fourteen imperative statements. To arrive at Ten Commandments, some statements have to be grouped together, and there is more than one way of doing this. Since, in the ancient world, polytheism and idolatry were always united—idolatry being the outward expression of polytheism—the historic Jewish numbering of the Ten Commandments has always grouped together the imperatives "You shall have no other gods before me" (Ex. 20:3) and "You shall not make for yourself a graven image" (Ex. 20:4). The historic Catholic numbering follows the Jewish numbering on this point, as does the historic Lutheran numbering. Martin Luther recognized that the imperatives against polytheism and idolatry are two parts of a single command.

    Jews and Christians abbreviate the commandments so that they can be remembered using a summary, ten-point formula. For example, Jews, Catholics, and Protestants typically summarize the Sabbath commandment as, "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy," though the commandment’s actual text takes four verses (Ex. 20:8–11).

    When the prohibition of polytheism/idolatry is summarized, Jews, Catholics, and Lutherans abbreviate it as "You shall have no other gods before me." This is no attempt to "hide" the idolatry prohibition (Jews and Lutherans don’t even use statues of saints and angels). It is to make learning the Ten Commandments easier.

    The Catholic Church is not dogmatic about how the Ten Commandments are to be numbered, however. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says, "The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confession. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities" (CCC 2066).


    source : Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers
    " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. " - 2nd Amendment , Bill of Rights of the United States of America

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    mangutana kay naglibug o gusto makat.on pero naa naman diay kaugalingon nga tubag s ila mga pangutana unya mamogus pajud nga sakto ug tumong ang ilang tubag....

  9. #4529
    ^^^^

    OT :

    Mao na ang naka parat aning mga tawhana. Mangutana unya magbuot unsay itubag.

    That is the problem to some here. Unya ug tubagon ingnon ka di mao or libog or kuwang or sayop. It lies on two things , its either REFUSES to COMPREHEND or possibly FAILED to COMPREHEND and DI MADAWAT or WALA NAKA MOVE ON.

    If its the latter , ayaw na lang pangutana kay naa man diay mo inyong tubag na PRE PROGRAMMED.
    Last edited by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40; 01-12-2013 at 09:44 AM.
    " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. " - 2nd Amendment , Bill of Rights of the United States of America

  10. #4530
    naka-tan-aw ko sa History Channel about history jud sa Catholicism. mao ni problem basta magkuyog ang politika ug religion. naa jud corruption. mao na gipakita sa documentary. taas na kaayo if isulti pa dire unya wa sad koy plano mo debate.. hehehe.

    ako lang view. daghan nato sa pinas nagdako nga katoliko pero wa jud kibaw ngano nagkatoliko sila. basta mao nana. pila kabuok wala basa2x bibliya unya minaw ra sa pari. try to ask someone -- ngano katoliko man ka -- ang tubag usually kay --- mao may gidak-an nga religion. hehe.

    i think the best thing to do is read the Bible and get to know God or Jesus Christ in a more personal and intimate way. seek Him and know Him in your own way and allow Him to reveal the Truth to you. I think mas maayo ni siya kaysa maglalis unya magdebate.

    Share lang ko. I went to Cambodia once and met some missionaries from different groups. Wa ko ka realize na sa mata sa mga taw didto (Buddhism sila didto) usa ra ang Christians -- RC, Protestante, etc. So ang action sa usa ka grupo murag mo effect sa tanan grupo. so instead of being divided christians there regardless of unsa na grupo sila work hand-in-hand.

    I think we should do the same. So again--- Seek Him and know Him in your own way and check whether the things you practice sa church are in-tune or necessary for your salvation. I'm sure God will reveal the truth to you.

    God bless us all.

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