If someone ask you "Luwas na ba ka?", whats ur answer?

[naomi6000]

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If someone ask you "Luwas na ba ka?", whats ur answer?

akong tobag..."IKAW LUWAS NAKA?"...nakay certification g permahan sa gino-o na ipa kita namo na gi luwas naka niya?

[shimiyu]

Devotion to an all-powerful being (lying outside of human influence) is often a defense mechanism to make up for one's perceived inferiorities and lack of standing within the human sphere.

That is an understandable accusation. The concept of self-reliance is foreign to authentic Christianity anyway.

[shimiyu]

Going to church is the result of your salvation, of being a true christian, of belonging to a family.

I think we all know Laurence Peter's famous analogy of the church and the garage.

[nemmo723]

That is an understandable accusation. The concept of self-reliance is foreign to authentic Christianity anyway.

and that's what makes this "authentic Christianity" a fallacy in itself also. its not all about self-reliance, but it aint all about complete surrender either leaving no self anymore. those are extremes that serve no purpose in themselves. they key to living an authentic life is not about self-reliance or an all out surrender having no identity anymore, it is about interdependence. absolute dependency and absolute independency are short-comings of a fragmented soul. in other "non-authentic Christianity", self-reliance is being taught. how else will those missionary efforts in africa became a success if they weren't taught self-reliance..

the path to evolution begins with dependency, and grows into a learning of independency, and matures into a wholesome understanding of how each other relates to everyone else. interdependency is what binds all of us in this universe. getting stuck in the prior stages is short-coming of the soul.

[shimiyu]

and that's what makes this "authentic Christianity" a fallacy in itself also. its not all about self-reliance, but it aint all about complete surrender either leaving no self anymore. those are extremes that serve no purpose in themselves. they key to living an authentic life is not about self-reliance or an all out surrender having no identity anymore, it is about interdependence. absolute dependency and absolute independency are short-comings of a fragmented soul. in other "non-authentic Christianity", self-reliance is being taught. how else will those missionary efforts in africa became a success if they weren't taught self-reliance.. the path to evolution begins with dependency, and grows into a learning of independency, and matures into a wholesome understanding of how each other relates to everyone else. interdependency is what binds all of us in this universe. getting stuck in the prior stages is short-coming of the soul.

Hmmn, I could've used a more accurate term than self-reliance.

I'm steeping into theology here, whereas I want to answer apologetically. If you're sure you're okay with having theology for breakfast, then by all means, go ahead. I don't debate theology.

Anyhow.. my context however, was that of one's relationship with God; a position wherein the subject acknowledges his "perceived inferiorities and lack of standing within the human sphere" in relation to God, whom the Bible testifies as perfect. I somehow agree with AC.. I would say IT IS a need, or maybe a desire to compensate for various personal weaknesses by banking on and appealing to God's perfect sufficiency of character, hoping to receive grace, mercy, and total understanding despite those inferiorities.

My question is, does this human "defense mechanism" provide incontrovertible proof for non-existence? Does it prove otherwise? I frankly see the argument as a dead end.

I don't know about you, but I believe God precedes these needs. My belief lang.

[mr.ho_chia2]

aw kung naay bayad, ayaw dawata, mao raman na ang point dha. if you think the condition is too much and it wont qualify it to be free gift, you are free not to. lahi-lahi man gud na perspectives mga tao. i see it differently from the way you see it, should i say you are right and i am wrong then? or vice versa? not so. it really doesn't matter. kung ang coke nga ako gpanhatag para nimo naay bayad kay naay condition then maybe its not free for you kay you will have to pay it by the very conditions you see. but for others these conditions are nothing at all and therefore they will still take that ice cold coke without paying any cents maski magbalik-balik pa, for them its free.

the same way with salvation. others see it as free gift of salvation and others see it as not free at all kay matod pa naay condition. then it is their personal belief, bias, idiosyncrasy if you may call it that makes it not free...... but should we who have experience it believe them? not so........

[mr.ho_chia2]

well other people find securities in a lot of other things this world can offer.
naay secure kay nagtrabaho cla, naa pud kay minyo sila sa usa ka powerful tycoon,kay healthy tibuok pamilya, yet another kay they are gifted with intelligence and another kay daghan properties, security in life is always based on something perceived by an individual as strong, firm and can stood trials. that's the world concept of security which often time resulted to wanting more, and more and more of that securities, meaning a million in the bank used to be enough as security to start all over again, but when you hit that million it becomes kulang and 10 million now will do, after reaching your 10 kulang na naman... and so on and so forth.....

but for the Christians ang insecurities to be gone and replaced with the ultimate security in this life and after is the LORD Almighty GOD! He alone can feel that.... so Christians bec=omes contented even if they have nothing, even if they are in pain they still prioritize the glory of GOD than to attend to their pains, Life is full of contentment and the need for more becomes the thing of the past.... so in a way life becomes simplier and more fulfilling you see good things in all things even if it is not good at all.

but to the world its a foolish thing to be doing, and we are fool to go into the trap of believing something which is not, a lunatic, a failure, insecure and weak, but would that matter to the christian? for as long as you see contentment in all these, no matter what the world says it wont matter anymore. and in the long run, it's a life wonderfully live in the most simpliest way..........

[nemmo723]

Hmmn, I could've used a more accurate term than self-reliance.

I'm steeping into theology here, whereas I want to answer apologetically. If you're sure you're okay with having theology for breakfast, then by all means, go ahead. I don't debate theology.

Anyhow.. my context however, was that of one's relationship with God; a position wherein the subject acknowledges his "perceived inferiorities and lack of standing within the human sphere" in relation to God, whom the Bible testifies as perfect. I somehow agree with AC.. I would say IT IS a need, or maybe a desire to compensate for various personal weaknesses by banking on and appealing to God's perfect sufficiency of character, hoping to receive grace, mercy, and total understanding despite those inferiorities.

My question is, does this human "defense mechanism" provide incontrovertible proof for non-existence? Does it prove otherwise? I frankly see the argument as a dead end.

I don't know about you, but I believe God precedes these needs. My belief lang.

a very commendably dazzling response, i will do my best to make this a worthy and interesting dialogue to witness...

if i were to follow your premises, yes, id definitely agree. it does become a need, and a respectful need at that. it is a noble weakness. in hollywood, they would call this type of man a tragic hero. the only difference is this "perceived inferiorities and lack of standing within the human sphere in relation to God" there shouldn't be any human sphere anymore. if your belief that God precedes these needs, what's the purpose of existing within the human sphere (in relation to God)? the answer--none.

this "defense mechanism" does not provide any proof for non-existence, it merely describes how certain people with these "inferiorities" go about with their inferiorities.. which is parading about how "perfect their God" is. AC wasn't arguing about the existence (or non existence) of God, he was describing the "psychology of a believer".

it's all nice and well the tragic hero, the noble weakness, as long as the person concerned keeps it to himself. when one prays to his God to complement his inherent lack thereof, one ought to do it in silence, in secret. when one begins to brandish it in public, he becomes a hypocrite. (i believe Jesus Christ said this... yes...)

this is all presuming id follow ur premises.

however, since we are in this human world, with a human society, how else are we going to go about our lives..? interdependence.

aw kung naay bayad, ayaw dawata, mao raman na ang point dha. if you think the condition is too much and it wont qualify it to be free gift, you are free not to. lahi-lahi man gud na perspectives mga tao. i see it differently from the way you see it, should i say you are right and i am wrong then? or vice versa? not so. it really doesn't matter. kung ang coke nga ako gpanhatag para nimo naay bayad kay naay condition then maybe its not free for you kay you will have to pay it by the very conditions you see. but for others these conditions are nothing at all and therefore they will still take that ice cold coke without paying any cents maski magbalik-balik pa, for them its free.

the same way with salvation. others see it as free gift of salvation and others see it as not free at all kay matod pa naay condition. then it is their personal belief, bias, idiosyncrasy if you may call it that makes it not free...... but should we who have experience it believe them? not so........

then you ought to stop calling it "free gift of salvation for all men".. its not based on my perspective, mr. ho. its an objective argument. im not concerned about myself being right, coz sometimes, i am wrong too. im just presenting you the true meaning of words. if you want to twist your view of what's reality, then go ahead, be my guest. im not concerned with what choices you make, those are your choices. if it doesn't matter to you, then you are free to decide on that too. like AC, i aim to dispel the shroud that these so-called religions keep on displaying.. not in an anarchic leftist way, but just a simple information dissemination.

dili ni siya personalan mr. ho. its just a dialogue.

well other people find securities in a lot of other things this world can offer.
naay secure kay nagtrabaho cla, naa pud kay minyo sila sa usa ka powerful tycoon,kay healthy tibuok pamilya, yet another kay they are gifted with intelligence and another kay daghan properties, security in life is always based on something perceived by an individual as strong, firm and can stood trials. that's the world concept of security which often time resulted to wanting more, and more and more of that securities, meaning a million in the bank used to be enough as security to start all over again, but when you hit that million it becomes kulang and 10 million now will do, after reaching your 10 kulang na naman... and so on and so forth.....

but for the Christians ang insecurities to be gone and replaced with the ultimate security in this life and after is the LORD Almighty GOD! He alone can feel that.... so Christians bec=omes contented even if they have nothing, even if they are in pain they still prioritize the glory of GOD than to attend to their pains, Life is full of contentment and the need for more becomes the thing of the past.... so in a way life becomes simplier and more fulfilling you see good things in all things even if it is not good at all.

but to the world its a foolish thing to be doing, and we are fool to go into the trap of believing something which is not, a lunatic, a failure, insecure and weak, but would that matter to the christian? for as long as you see contentment in all these, no matter what the world says it wont matter anymore. and in the long run, it's a life wonderfully live in the most simpliest way..........

do you have something against people who are fortunately materially endowed? ngano diay kung secure sila sa ilang trabaho? ngano diay kung naminyo sila ug powerful tycoon, or naminyo ug foreigner? ngano diay kung bright sila or daghan sila properties? murag imo ra man nang bias na if you have more, you'll want more. that's a product of a selfish soul.

in the words of jesus christ, to those who has, more shall be given. and in turn, a lot more responsibility is expected of them too. banking on an ultimate security is a terminal insecurity. it is a projected weakness. even if they are in pain they still prioritize the glory of GOD than to attend to their pains, this is a definition of a masochist. having a God who is insecure and saddistic, i guess that's a perfect match.

[mr.ho_chia2]

why should i stop sir? that's how i view it--- free for all men.... sa ato pa imong gusto ako tumanun sir? ai ai ai.....
you are presenting me the true meaning of words..... mao ba sir? thanks for the effort of "presenting the true meaning of words"... but you know what sir, contrary to what you think i know how it meant...... maybe you need to listen sometimes sir kay as you have said you could be wrong too.
Makatawa man ko sir oi, ako na nuon ga twist? hehe, and you feel i'am out here twisting words and understanding of it and you are here to defend the weak against me? by your very word, what was that again you said sir?

"i aim to dispel the shroud that these so-called religions keep on displaying" a shroud? a deception to cover something, hehe.... i see, i like your style sir. and i know its not personalan just a dialogue, i understand that.

but on the contrary, i would say i am here to expose a sham alternative. --- no offense meant sir ha, just part of our dialogue lang...

well i will be watching........

[mr.ho_chia2]

do you have something against people who are fortunately materially endowed? ngano diay kung secure sila sa ilang trabaho? ngano diay kung naminyo sila ug powerful tycoon, or naminyo ug foreigner? ngano diay kung bright sila or daghan sila properties? murag imo ra man nang bias na if you have more, you'll want more. that's a product of a selfish soul.

I don't have anything against those people. I was just merely saying that it could be their source of security in their life. what is so wrong about it? and if they are not contended and aspire for more inorder to be more secure, what is so wrong saying it out? its not like it is a secret, everybody knows that already sir....

mao ba sir ako rana? well maybe you are one of the elusive exemption.
a product of a selfish soul? (i know this is not personalan only part of our dialogue)
well sir not at all, as i have said my security in life is nothing of value to you, and to me it is the only valuable security i have and will ever desire for, the security knowing that the Almighty GOD holds my and my family's future.