FREE MASONRY - the Principles

[Archer sensAtion]

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@Manny:

tubag diha...gi pangutana ka, maylang ka ug ikaw mag ask da...playing safe ra kaayo ka...

[Jacks]

ok if you find such a statement as "vague", i think rephrasing it would be fine...

anyway, the post i qouted stated that it is clear that freemasons are excommunicated according to the rules of the catholic church... then the poster said "but that doesn't make you bad persons"... the you their refers to the freemasons... now i don't think anyone here find it vague, even a high school or maybe an elementary student would be able to comprehend that...

also, you mentioned "accompanying qualifications"... giving those could help, but my question is a SIMPLE yes or no question... and you still have not given me a yes or a no... i don't want to assume your stand on that basing on those articles... perhaps it is "best" that you make a qoute on articles if you want, AND, give me an answer to my question...

is saying yes/no too hard to do?... i for one, the one asking you, only require a yes or a no... that will be enough answer... so what will the answer be?...

[mannyamador]

now i don't think anyone here find it vague, even a high school or maybe an elementary student would be able to comprehend that...

A critical look at the statement reveals it is very vague. What is the idea of a good person? Is it sinlessness, moral capacity, having commityted a grave sion, or the continuous committing of grave sin? Is being a "bad person" determined by doing a bad act? Or must it be a series? Is the statement to be gtaken literally, so that we are aksed to judge the person, or is it a judgement on the act? And so on. I think you can see the point.

Now if the question were, "does a Cathoilc commit a wrong act by becoming a freemason?" then the asnwer would simply be yes.

By the way, I noticed that you avoided my request to answer your own question. So what is YOUR answer? If you avoid it, then it's seems obvious that you perhaps see how vague the atatement really is, hence your reluctance to answer.

My answer has been given, and it is crystal clear. Can I see yours? You can answer in a simple yes or no, or in any other manner that you feel makes your answer clear. I won't impose any limitations.

[mannyamador]

In case this important article is lost in the flood, here's the link:

CATHOLICS AND THE FREEMASON 'RELIGION'
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/WHATMAS.HTM

[Jacks]

LOL... don't try and turn the tables manny... i'm trying to talk to you nicely and not start any arguing here... so try not to be a smart ass ayt?... try not to jump into concluding that i'm being reluctant, after all, i didn't see you answering my question... why should i answer yours?...

Now if the question were, "does a Cathoilc commit a wrong act by becoming a freemason?" then the asnwer would simply be yes.

hmm, that wasn't my question right?...

"fact of the matter is.. freemasons are excommunicated by the church.. klaro kaayo na sa mga rules sa catholic church.
but that doesnt make you bad persons."

um, i don't see a "good person" part in the qouted statement... only "bad person"... but anyway: "freemasons are excommunicated by the church............... but that doesn't make you bad persons"... now, do you agree or disagree with this?... or would you like a definition of "bad persons" first?...

[Jacks]

http://www.masonicinfo.com/religion.htm

yup, there is also a post saying freemasonry is not a religion... so maybe it's your article against that... it's for us to decide anyway, no need to post and then repost that link of yours...

anyway, that your business with the other guy... now kindly enlighten me about the questions that i have...

edit: also, manny, kindly make a response to spot's post... i'd like to know what you have to say about his post...

[abay roduel]

Is it true that the Leaders of FreeMasonry are members of the ILLIMINATI? The Illuminati is founded by an AntiChrist. They infiltrated the Lodges of the FreeMasons before in order to gain control and use the FreeMasons as a tool in achieving a NEW WORLD ORDER. The Illuminati controls most of the major banks in the world including the the World Bank and the Federal Reserve Bank of the U.S. Because they control the money of most countries, they can dictate the political leaders and the faith of the country.

The Philippine government is controlled by the FreeMasons and the Illuminati. Am I right?

[Gwynhuever]

@Manny:

tubag diha...gi pangutana ka, maylang ka ug ikaw mag ask da...playing safe ra kaayo ka...

pssst...kaw ha...maldito na kaayo ka hap...ali ra gud ...kaon sa pop corn!

[samokan]

@abay nope ILLUMINATI are not Anti-Christ.. it means the Enlightened ones.. basically in those times where this group/organization exist, most of the members were scientist. But since science is not a popular subject at that time, they were branded as Anti-Christ by presenting Scientific facts to the people.

as far as its existence is concerned and how far there influence go, that we part would be very hard to prove...

Are there still Lodges that cater to female members?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

You're not making sense. You claim to be credible and don't present any evidence of it. Instead you display unbelievably bad reasoning andf self-contradiction. Need I say more?

Â* Everyone can CLAIM their CREDIBILITY including you MR MANNY AMADOR . For the reader and to whoever it was purposedly stated unto lies to the individuals opinions to COMPREHEND and ABSORB the credibility , EVIDENCE or NO EVIDENCE . You asked me a question , I answered you . I am insisting that what I said was true . I am NOT INSISTING you to believe in me but I was just merely providing you an information that might be helpful because you asked for it . Tell me about the BAD REASONING and SELF CONTRADICTION otherwise we can talk about SHOVING INFORMATION DOWN OUR THROATS .

Judging from your posts, you wouldn't know intelligence if it bit your nose off.

Â* You are the only one who JUDGED and you did JUDGED me as not CREDIBLE because I am not in favor with you and as usual , any MANNY AMADOR exchange of ideas , you are RIGHT and the rest are WRONG . If you are wrong according to MANNY , you are not INTELLIGENT .

In other words, I should take just believe you, without any evidence and despite your display of irrationality. Yeah right. Maybe you want people to buy Baguio beachfront property too.

Â* To make it short , its your choice to BELIEVE or NOT but dont brand people as LIARS , NO CREDIBILITY and WRONG just because it does conform in your favor of thinking . Maybe you should grow thick sideburns so youd convince me your ELVIS .

Lastly ... a REALITY CHECK for you . Its not something that diverts the issue on your CATHOLIC ISSUES but just in case you MR MANNY AMADOR is one of the hundreds of ANTI FREEMASON'S .

http://www.masonicinfo.com/reality.htm


@ abay roduel .... its a good and informative read and will most likely answer your questions .

http://www.masonicinfo.com/illuminati.htm

@ SAMOKAN .... this could be helpful to your inquiries too .

http://www.masonicinfo.com/women.htm