If someone ask you "Luwas na ba ka?", whats ur answer?

JX · 10-12-2007, 10:16 PM

lets just stick to the issue.. hehe..

which is.. not going to church would equate to abnegation of salvation..

**mr.ho_chia2** · 10-12-2007, 10:26 PM

same answer sir:

salvation is all different from worship and going to church. but getting save should reinforce such behavior of always worshiping the Savior and enjoying the company of other worshipers but it ain't condition of getting save. :mrgreen:

JX · 10-12-2007, 10:41 PM

even though they are interrelated, indeed, the context of salvation, acts of praise, and church are different..

Ha? you are saying, to be saved, we must always worship the savior while enjoying the company of other worshippers, but its not a condition to be saved? hehe..

**mr.ho_chia2** · 10-12-2007, 10:43 PM

not a condition, but it will reinforce that behavior, liking and inclination............

JX · 10-12-2007, 10:49 PM

ah i see.. reinforce christians to act more of as a christian.. thats what you are saying?..
then you agree that even if somebody doesnt go to church, he could still be given salvation?

**mr.ho_chia2** · 10-12-2007, 11:04 PM

its like this sir ha.

if i say i am a person who loves clean and neat things.... unya hugaw ko, dili ko maligo, 3 days before mag toothbrush, ako basura nagkanat sa ako tugkaran, ako koko walay cut puno hugaw, is it true then that i love clean and neat things?

dba if you truly love it you will not be oblige but rather it is a joy for you to clean yourself, wash your clothes, throw your garbage, cut your nails, take a bath, brush one;s teeth.... etc.

the same with salvation, if you are saved as one claim to be dba, you will enjoy your salvation as well, it will not be a burden to worship GOD but rather a pleasure, going to church and be with fellow believers is no a task but a thing to look forward to...... ingana lang na nga analogy, our deeds speaks who we really are.

**nemmo723** · 10-13-2007, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by JX

in christianity, salvation is recognizing and worshipping the father right? through jesus..
and @r0mm3L asked, after 10 years of not going to church, can he still be saved? then @Gwynhuever answered no because no matter how good he behaves, since he has not visited the church, he'd be denied of salvation..
Dont you think treating other people in a good manner as like you would treat yourself, a form of worshipping God?
hehehe..

supposedly mao ra jud na ang kailangan. Jesus never said worship me or worship God para ma-save ta.. pero ingon man gud si Paul na kailangan ta muacknowledge sa death of christ on the cross para ta ma-save.. unsa-on na lng.. kinsa atong tuohan, si Paul na wala jud kaila ni Jesus, or si Jesus? Unsa ra gud ang commandments ni Jesus, just two. love god above all else, and love thy neighbor as thyself. ni-ingon siya na have faith in him or worship? ingon ra siya if you love him then you will follow his commandments. ang importante is you follow those commandments irregardless of u have faith in him or love him or not. it goes to follow na gud na if you follow those commandments (which is pretty much like the golden rule actually), di na kailangan i-obvious pa jud na muworship ka or muhave faith ka niya. the important thing is abiding by those commandments, ikaw na bahala unsaon nimo pagfollow. dili gud to insecure si jesus. si Paul, nangrecruit ra man na siya ug mga followers, and to have followers, mao na iyang modus. sagulan ug personal na agenda, mao na ang labas. pero sagdi na lng, kay the good outweigh the bad ra man japon..

**nemmo723** · 10-13-2007, 01:33 AM