FREE MASONRY - the Principles

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Yes you are. I have presented facts with evidence, and the acceptance or rejection of my claims can be based on the evidence presented. All YOU present, however, are insistent claims based on YOUR word and NOTHING ELSE. And you expect us to believe your UNSUPPORTED claims?

First off ... why do you keep on repeating to yourself the words WE and US when there is only 1 MANNY AMADOR here disagreeing ?

Second , I never SHOVE IT DOWN YOUR THROAT for I said my piece and I am not INSISTING but instead letting you know that I am not LYING like what you are trying to imply to everyone who says something that does not favor your point of view .

I never said to you MR MANNY to believe me and most of all learn from me , you ask a question and you were just answered ... bad thing , you cant accept the answer provided to you . Back to SHOVING IDEAS DOWN THE THROAT ... is it you or me ?

There you go again. You just expect readers to take your lies at face value, without any verification or checking ofsources. Sorrykid, it doesn't work that way. You have zero credibility. My sources, however, do have credibility. Certainly far more than you.

Old man ... who are your SOURCES again compared to sources regarding our TROPIC here ? You are making my day ... but dont worry I am not shoving it down your throat . It is up to you to accept or deny it . LOLZ .. speaking of sources ... HAHAHA !!

You obviously have selective memory. Others can read the posts and see how wrong you are.

You can QUOTE me personally on that part because there is no WE or US in here but only MR MANNY AMADOR .

Your personal "knowledge" is plain BS. Why should we trust your prejudiced word?.Like I said, you have ZERO credibility. Present real evidence first if you want credibility. That's how it works.

Hahahaha .... you are just CONTRADICTING your words . How can you brand me ZERO CREDIBILITY just because we are in a forum ? PREJUDICED WORDS and BS KNOWLEDGE ? Cmon ... you could have used better adjectives than that MR MANNY AMADOR ..... and present real evidence ? I may nit have presented something because I am vouching anything that I type in here but it does not justify also that what you presented are REAL . LOLZ ... thats how it works , the MANNY AMADOR SYSTEM .

It seems you know nothing of the practice of looking at professional peer-review, which is used as one of the bases for determining credibility of a source. Please look it up.

Hehehe ... why resort to excuses like that ? in fairness to you , I am respecting you sources but I am not saying or thinking it is RIGHT nor WRONG .

@ GWYN ... that is what I am expecting to posters here ... to figure out the real meaning of what is PASSING INFORMATION and then later on SHOVES IT DOWN YOUR THROAT . Like you said , I could be right or wrong . Well someone here wants the readers to know he is RIGHT .. yes he is RIGHT in his own game .

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hai tol...The Knights of Templar...

hail to...Jacques DeMolay...

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Dont forget Frank S. Land .

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hail to Walt Disney sad...

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Types of OPPOSERS of FREEMASONRY :

http://www.masonicinfo.com/types.htm

1."Religious Intolerants" use their religious beliefs to argue that Masons and Masonry are evil. Their understanding (or misunderstanding) of beliefs is often in conflict with many mainstream religious groups.

http://www.masonicinfo.com/religious_intolerants.htm

2. "Conspiracy Theorists" are convinced there is a huge, evil, world-wide conspiracy afoot. Many believe that the Masons are involved in this conspiracy or perhaps even leading it. (Some argue that it's only the "higher degree" Masons who are involved.)

http://www.masonicinfo.com/conspire.htm

3. "Hate Groups" can be either a group or a single individual who exhibits rage and hatred (far more than simple animosity) towards other groups or individuals. Freemasonry is sometimes the object of their passion.

http://www.masonicinfo.com/hate.htm

4. "Self-Servers" have seen the opportunity to make money, gain attention or both. Their primary motivation is their own self-interest.

http://www.masonicinfo.com/selfpro.htm


- source : http://www.masonicinfo.com

Hope the source was tested by time and by peers for CREDIBILITY and ACCURACY though I firmly believed in the CONTENTS of the site as FACTS with CREDIBILITY and ACCURACY .

[BaDBoY]

I'm sure Elvis has something to say about this...

[mannyamador]

First off ... why do you keep on repeating to yourself the words WE and US when there is only 1 MANNY AMADOR here disagreeing?

This is a public thread. So your silly claims can be read by others. And I am pointing out that there is no reason to consider you as credible.

Second , I never SHOVE IT DOWN YOUR THROAT for I said my piece and I am not INSISTING

So why do you keep yacking away claiming we should consider your unsupported word as credible?

How can you brand me ZERO CREDIBILITY just because we are in a forum?

Because you present ZERO evidence and just expect us to trust in your unsupported word. That's not how it works, or didn't you know that?

Hehehe ... why resort to excuses like that ? in fairness to you , I am respecting you sources but I am not saying or thinking it is RIGHT nor WRONG .

That's a pretty lame excuse for not backing up your claims.

Hope the source was tested by time and by peers for CREDIBILITY and ACCURACY though I firmly believed in the CONTENTS of the site as FACTS with CREDIBILITY and ACCURACY.

Aww gee, FINALLY trying to post external sources. Untested and kinda late though. You've already shown you have little capacity for rational argument. But let's allow the readers to sort out your garbage from the truth. Read on...

[mannyamador]

you agree on this manny?...

Here's something that describes my position:

• http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09771a.htm
  ...Thus Leo XIII (1884) expressly states:
  
  
  • What we say, must be understood of the Masonic sect in the universal acceptation of the term, as it comprises all kindred and
    associated societies, but not of their single members. There may be persons amongst these, and not a few, who, although not
    free from the guilt of having entangled themselves in such associations, yet are neither themselves partners in their criminal
    acts nor aware of the ultimate object which these associations are endeavouring to attain. Similarly some of the several bodies
    of the association may perhaps by no means approve of certain extreme conclusions, which they would consistently accept as
    necessarily following from the general principles common to all, were they not deterred by the vicious character of the conclusions.
  
  
  "The Masonic federation is to be judged not so much by the acts and things it has accomplished, as by the whole of its principles and purposes."

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Well, why don't we just respect what others are into. I think this is not a debate on religion (as it sounds like)Â* but a presentation of some Order's principles....and did not present anything negative about the Catholic church or the Vatican or the Pope in the first place.

While this is a public thread and ideas from all walks are welcome, let's keep it at that level and not start sounding like we're launching a hate campaign to either side.

To the good gentleman: "mannyamador" and the like, I like the way you presented the facts, like you I am devout to what I believe in and would readily defend it if threatened.Â* However, this is not a Linux vs Windows or Opensource vs Proprietary/Microsoft debate, it's more sensitive than that and hurts people.

I am a Christian and a Catholic. My family goes to mass every Sunday, prays the Rosary every Wednesday, adheres to what the Bible teaches...and have even visited the Vatican 2 times already as a tourist. As a matter of fact, my family flocked to the old Lahug airport in the 80s just to hear mass celebrated by Pope John Paul II. As a senior high school student then from a well known Catholic school in Cebu, I was a member of a choral group who sang in that memorable event.

On one hand, since the 80s I have been a member of the International Supreme Council Order of DeMolay (LLC) and have been very proud to be one. In fact, I would love if my kids someday would also be one. Another thing, my great grandfather is a freemason, my grandfather is a freemason and my father is a freemason too.

The threads here surprises me. Abcourse, personally I have read "long ago" some of the references presented, but it's just now that this has been presented with TOO MUCH CONFLICT as though both cannot live or co-exist in the same dimension..... a situation that I haven't felt my entire life being brought up by a Mason father and as a DeMolay myself.

BTW, I almost missed this........my uncle who is very close to us happens to be a Roman Catholic Bishop.

Can anybody tell me where the conflict is? coz right now I don't feel any and I don't see that in the future.

I have always wanted to be a mason (but never did) at the same time serve my creator as well as my country.Â* In my field I have a classmate and senior officers whom I know are in the Order, however beliefs and affiliations are too sensitive to comment on in a heterogeneous environment..and especially if you are not the authority.Â* As we say, in a battle, you have to know the terrain before you issue the attack orders.

Certainly, we cannot feedback how bad or good the food is by just reading the recipe....gotta taste it.

Good day every one!

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This is a public thread. So your silly claims can be read by others. And I am pointing out that there is no reason to consider you as credible.

YES it is a public forum but you are if not sounding claiming to gain alliances of DIASAGREEING with me whom I am not forcing anyone including you to absorb what I said . I was aksed , I just answered . You are very hard headed , you keep on blabbing that credibility ... might as well not ASK at all not only to me but to all because you brand answers with INACCURACY because of its CREDIBILITY .

So why do you keep yacking away claiming we should consider your unsupported word as credible?

I thought you were really INTELLIGENT when I first saw you posting here . I am wrong . DOnt pass to me your dirt please .

Because you present ZERO evidence and just expect us to trust in your unsupported word. That's not how it works, or didn't you know that?

Thats not how it works ? As ive said .. I dont need to prove a point . Its up to you to ABSORB , COMPREHEND and INSTILL answers whom you yourself is searching for that answer also . Just because it does not conform to your favor makes it UNSUPPORTED , ZERO CREDIBILITY , LIES . Hmmm I do love to keep on repeating to myself as much as when I see you repaet to yourself also MR MANNY AMADOR .

That's a pretty lame excuse for not backing up your claims.

At least deep inside me and not just the PUBLIC FORUMS , I know I am speaking for the truths regarding its facts . How about you ? How about your claims from sources TESTED BY TIME and PEERS ? How did you know it is RIGHT and it is not WRONG ?

Aww gee, FINALLY trying to post external sources. Untested and kinda late though. You've already shown you have little capacity for rational argument. But let's allow the readers to sort out your garbage from the truth. Read on...

LOLZ .... my pet MORLOCK can figure out that reply was a SARCASTIC STATEMENT . Good job MANNY !!