We can learn from the Saints!

[wenlove24]

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All your answers are correct but the title of QUEEN of ALL SAINTS remains only a title .

By logic , she is a saint but we are discussing here about SAINTS who got CANONIZED , SAINTS who used to be just regular people subjected to human errors and imperfections yet lived an almost PERFECT LIFE being in the STATE of GRACE .

By the way , when we say we limit ourselves to resources confined in a CATHOLIC POINTS of VIEW , it should have a NIHIL OBSTAT and IMPRIMATUR authorization and you know what is next to that . Its the validity of the content of information .

Thanks for the answer . Indeed St. Ulrich of Augsburg is the FIRST CANONIZED SAINT that is not a martyr .

I am only emphasizing about MARTYRDOM because most MARTYRS we know , we only acknowledge their lives sa mga later part of how they lived it . Who knows mga salbahis na sila yet at the very last minute of their breathe , they change hearts .

Unlike the martyrs , the SAINTS who got canonized because of living EXTAORDINARY LIVES of HOLINESS are the ones we should be learning from in example .

Good day bro just to clarify a few things. What do you mean by "remains only a title" and "by logic"?
I don't mean to sound like I know it all (because I don't) but according to what I've learned so far:

*Queen of Heaven is a title given to the Blessed Virgin Mary by Christians, mainly of the Roman Catholic Church, and also, to some extent, in the Anglican, Lutheran, and Eastern Orthodox churches, to whom the title is a (disputed) consequence of the Council of Ephesus in the fifth century, where the Virgin Mary was proclaimed "theotokos" ("God-bearer," "birthgiver of God" or the "one who gives birth to God" among other translations), a title rendered in Latin as Mater Dei, "Mother of God".
The Catholic teaching on this subject is expressed in the papal encyclical Ad Caeli Reginam, issued by Pope Pius XII. It states Mary is called the Queen of Heaven because her Son, Jesus Christ, is the King of Israel and heavenly King of the Universe. In the Hebrew tradition, (this can be found in the Old Testament) the mother of the king is the queen. Catholic dogma (Apostolic Constitution Munificentissimus Deus) states that the Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory. The title Queen of Heaven has long been a Catholic tradition, included in prayers and devotional literature, and seen in Western art in the subject of the Coronation of the Virgin, from the High Middle Ages, long before it was given a formal dogmatic definition status by the Church. For centuries, Catholics, while reciting the Litany of Loreto were already invoking Mary as "Queen of Heaven".*

Therefore, it is most befitting to call her Queen of All Saints bec. after all what is in heaven is a Communion of Saints.
And with regards to that "change of heart" thing, "faith" and "charity" isn't something that we turn on or off anytime we find it convenient. There is no such thing as last minute change of heart nor "accidental" saints. The process of canonization is an arduous task. I remember this quote, "Where your treasure is, that's where your heart is also." (or something like that).
So since God knows the disposition of our hearts, it is imperative that we realize none of these saints came to be canonized bec. they had a last minute resort. Yes they had their own shortcomings just like the rest of us but they've struggled and perfected such lives in purity and holiness until the end.
That's all for now.

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@ WENLOVE ...

The title QUEEN is reserve for the BLESSED VIRGIN MARY and that was meant to separate it from my question about SAINTS . Just like a lot of PARISHES here in Cebu named after JESUS CHRIST ie HOLY CHILD , SANTO NINO , etc gipang ilisan na sila ug name sa mga saints because chapel alongside of the feast of that certain baranggay needs a PATRON SAINT . Rationale being is JESUS CHRIST cant be a patron saint because He is a the SON of GOD . I dont know lang if that wasmaterialized gyud but to my knowledge , 4 na ka small parishes ang gipang ilisan to include ours .

As per information from the site :

Mary the Blessed Virgin - Saints & Angels - Catholic Online

Blessed Virgin Mary is indeed a SAINT ! Although destined to be one mao no need to be canonized .

We dont know what happened really to the MARTYRS . The simple fact that they became martyrs is that they DIED in the NAME of the GOD , CHURCH , RELIGION . Some of these martyrs becomes saints probably a century later pa atleast and these are in the ancient times and how would such church doctor study their respective lives and how they lived it ? Like I said , what is only clear about them is their last breathe , pagkamatay na nila , how they died and why they died .

Like for example , SAN LORENZO RUIZ ... all we know about his life is during his stay in OKINAWA na , do you know what is his life in Cebu prior to his death ? No disrespect to him , I do observe and venerate to him but iyahang situation is lahi man pod nuon , he was beatifed because he was a martyr but he was canonized because of the documented mircales by him .Unlike the CANONIZED SAINTS , it goes to a process like MIRACLES , their CORPSE are INCORRUPTIBLE etc .

So if I confused some of you here , I apologized . I am referring to CANONIZED SAINTS .

[petite fleur]

St. Lawrence Ruiz (San Lorenzo Ruiz de Manila)
c. 1600 – September 29, 1637
Feast: September 28

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"Deny your faith and we will spare your life" "I will never do it. I am a Catholic and happy to die for God. If I have a thousand lives to offer, I will offer them to God."

"Isa akong Katoliko at buong pusong tinatanggap ang kamatayan para sa Panginoon, kung ako man ay may sanlibong buhay, lahat ng iyon ay iaalay ko sa Kanya."

On September 29,1637, San Lorenzo Ruiz professed his faith by martyrdom. He was beatified by Pope John Paul II in Manila and later canonized on October 28,1987. San Lorenzo Ruiz holds the distinction of being the first person beatified outside the Vatican (Lorenzo Ruiz became the first person beatified outside the Vatican, when Pope John Paul II beatified him in the Phillipines). He also holds the honor of being the first Filipino saint, the "most improbable of saints," as Pope John Paul II described him during the canonization ceremony.

Lorenzo Ruiz, the first Filipino saint, was the kind of man who could die for God and religion a thousand times if he had to. Lorenzo Ruiz was was a layman who worked as a calligrapher for the Dominican parish of Binondo, Manila. As an "escriba," he was exceptionally gifted, and the Dominican friars relied on him to transcribe baptismal, confirmation and marriage documents into the church's official books. He was also an active member of the Marian confraternity (*Confraternity of the Holy Rosary~as you have noticed, most of his statue/images, he always has a rosary) , a man the Dominicans described as someone "they could trust."



The son of a Chinese father and Tagala mother who lived in the Parian district outside the city walls of Manila, Lorenzo Ruiz married a Tagala like his mother and had three children -- two sons and a daughter -- whose descendants are currently residents of the same area where the original Ruiz family lived.

In 1636, Ruiz was implicated in a murder. He sought help from his Dominican superiors who believed in his innocence. In order to escape what they believed would have been an unjust prosecution for their protege, the Spanish friars immediately sent Ruiz on a missionary expedition outside of the Philippines. Initially, Ruiz thought he was being sent to Taiwan, where he believed his Chinese roots would enable him to start a new life. Little did he know that he and the missionary expedition led by Fray Domingo Ibanez was actually headed for Nagasaki, Japan, where feudalism was fanning the flames of Christian persecution. Lorenzo Ruiz was headed straight into the arms of death.

He was arrested almost immediately upon his arrival in Japan in 1636, and subjected to torture by his Japanese captors for more than a year. Tied upside down by his feet and dropped into a well where sharp stakes lined the bottom, his torturers would stop just before he would be impaled, and thereupon try to convince him to renounce his faith.

"Deny your faith and we will spare your life," his persecutors said.

To which Lorenzo Ruiz answered, "I will never do it. I am a Catholic and happy to die for God. If I have a thousand lives to offer, I will offer them to God."

Existing documents attest that the Japanese promised him a safe trip back home where he could be reunited with his loved ones, but Ruiz staunchly chose to remain faithful to his religion.

On September 22, 1637, Ruiz, Fray Domingo and their 14 companions were led up a hill overlooking the bay of Nagasaki. There they were hung upside down with their heads inside the well. Their temples were slit open to let blood drip slowly until they died either from loss of blood or asphyxiation. Many died after several days. Ruiz died last, on September 29,1637.



"The Lord gives us saints at the right time and God waited 350 years to give us this saint," the Holy Father then said. "It is the heroism which he demonstrated as a lay witness to the faith... which is very important in today's world. The witness of San Lorenzo is the testimony we need of courage without measure to show us that it is possible. Faith and life for Lorenzo was synonymous and inseparable. Life without faith would have been without value...he proved that sanctity and heroism are there for anybody and the final victory is made to size for each one of us."
(1)

Here's the link of St. Lawrence's Mosaic inside St. Peter's Basilica.
http://www.saintpetersbasilica.org/A...wrenceRuiz.jpg
Located at left transept of the Basilica. (have you seen Angels and Demons? Remember the last part where the Carmelengo burned himself alive) The said location is the Papal Altar and beneath it is the confessio which is located at the heart of the Basilica. Go left and there is the Altar of the Curcifixition of St. Peter. * if ever ma pad2x mu dito og kana if ma tymingan nga pwede pasudlan. hehe

The mosaic of St. Lawrence is seen at the left of the Altar of the Crucifixion of St. Peter. There are 25 altars inside the St. Peter's Basilica and one is the Altar of the Crucifixion of St. Peter.


From among thousands of evangelizers in Asia, 591 martyrs have been beatified or canonized. Of this number, 68 sowed the seed of the Gospel in the Philippines. Evangelizers of the Philippines were the protomartyrs of Japan, China, and Vietnam. Beatified missionaries of the Philippines includes nine bishops, 51 priest of the different religious institutes (Augustinians, Franciscans, Dominicans, Recollects, and Jesuits), and four lay brothers. With them are two laymen: Saint Lazaro of Kyoto, a Japanese leper who was in Manila from 1632 to 1636, and the Filipino Saint Lorenzo Ruiz. (2)

(1) San Lorenzo Ruiz de Manila ( First Filipino Saint )
(2) http://filipinoheritage.zxq.net/reli...renzo_ruiz.htm

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

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Nice post you have there . Very informative .

How about share stories from your favorites saints ?



I will start with St. John Bosco . To make it short , he was sent to hell by the Blessed Virgin Mary to contemplate on the spiritual condition of the youth . There were lots of them , burned in hell . He was advised not to touch anything but ended up slipping and accidentally grab or hang on to the wall , burned his hand and scorched the skin . That woke him up from his dream only to find he really was in hell after finding out that his paml indeed was burned and scorched .

That is why St. John Bosco is the father and teacher of youth . He offered his remaining life in guiding the youth to salvation .

[petite fleur]

... he was beatifed because he was a martyr but he was canonized because of the documented mircales by him .Unlike the CANONIZED SAINTS , it goes to a process like MIRACLES , their CORPSE are INCORRUPTIBLE etc .

After three centuries of waiting, the process of beatification was pursued in the decade of 1970. In 1981. Lorenzo Ruiz and 15 others martyrs of Japan were beatified by Pope John Paul II at the Luneta Park in Manila during his visit to the Philippines. More than a million people watched the first beatification ceremony ever held outside of the Papal residence.

Six years later, after the confirmation of a miracle attributed to the intercession of the martyrs, the same Pontiff canonized them in solemn ceremonies in Saint Peter’s Square in the Vatican on October 18, 1987, with 10,000 Filipinos present, coming from the Philippines, the U.S., Canada, and other countries.

~ Saint Lorenzo Ruiz, Filipino


Process of Canonization Canonization of Saints - ReligionFacts

According to the Code of Canon Law

Code of Canon Law

"Can. 2023 In the process of beatification, all the Christian faithful, with due regard for the prescription of Canon 2027, § 2, n. 1, are bound, even through they are not called, to bring to the attention of the Church whatever seems to work against the virtue of miracles or martyrdom of the Servant of God." (1917 Code of Canon Law)

"Can. 2138 § 1 For the canonization of Blesseds who were formally beatified, the approval of two miracles is required that occurred after formal beatification. § 2 But for the canonization of those Blesseds who were beatified equivalently, the approval of three miracles is required that have been worked after the equivalent beatification." (1917 Code of Canon Law)

[petite fleur]

@petitefleur...ang imong family came directly from the bloodline of St. Lorenzo Ruiz??

Dili ko sure kay dile jd ko close sa Ruiz side, naa ko nag dako sa bloodline sa ako Lola pero sure ko nga Ruiz ko hehehe

Proud to say, sa Ruiz side dghang religious nila, one priest and two religious, and usa kay active Lay and holds a high position in WAF (World Apostolate of Fatima) hopefully soon ako. Lord have pity on me
Goodness I hope walay ko parente dire nani-id. hehe

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Sugod na ug panimbawt mga balhibo ninyo ? Hehehehe .... there are lots of DOCUMENTED and VALID MIRACLES OCCURENCES that made the SCIENCE COMMUNITY raise the white flag .

Let alone the saints pa diay who never lived amongst us as human beings .

The SEVEN ARCHANGELS !!

[petite fleur]

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Nice post you have there . Very informative .

How about share stories from your favorites saints ?

Thank you sir. Nag dugo nasad akong ilong esp katong Law. hehe.

Bosconian ka sir?? If so I guess you are familiar with this song..."walking in Don Bosco's way..." I love that song
Walking in Don Bosco's Way - YouTube

Yes! I will share some of the writings, lessons, lives, humors & imperfections of my beloved saints. I will include their imperfection so that they would not seem so far from us (very HOLY) for they are just like us who has flaws, and we will learn from them how did they overcome their imperfection (esp in prayer, in dealing with others and so on.. like St. Therese who admits in her autobio that she sometimes can't stay awake during Mass, a glance back at her..she goes like..zzzzz) Tao lang naman sila.

[koralstratz]

One of my favorite saints is St. Mother Teresa of Calcutta


A woman lay dying on a Calcutta pavement. Her feet were half eaten away by rats and ants. She had been lying there for days and no one had taken any notice of her.

Then a nun came along. She was a tiny woman, dressed in a white sari which hung loosely about her and covered her head. She walked quickly, for she was always in a hurry. Her name was Mother Teresa.

When she saw the woman on the pavement she stopped. Full of pity, she picked her up and carried her into a nearby hospital for treatment. They told her there that the woman was too ill and poor to bother about. Besides, they had no room. Mother Teresa pleaded with them, but they said there was nothing they could do for her. However, she would not leave her patient, and set off for another hospital. But it was in vain. The woman died.

This was not the only person Mother Teresa found dying on the streets. There were many of them. There was an old man who was so thin he looked like a child. It was pouring with rain when Mother Teresa found him lying dead under a tree in a mess of sickness and blood. He was outside a hospital but no one had taken him in.

[wenlove24]

@springfield:

That's alright bro I get it now. I have to agree with you on the fact that some chapels name Jesus as their saint when it isn't right. I've asked this question myself ages ago. Maybe we could gather up the strength of pointing this out to the concerned people?

@all: what do you think guys?