FREE MASONRY - the Principles

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

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Like I said... you expect us to take YOUR word for it? Yeah right. And my first name is Elvis!

Â* To the very LEAST ... I am not SHOVING it DOWN YOUR THROAT compared to what you are doing with on your part . Hello ELVIS AMADOR ... nice to meet you .

If you claim other sources are inaccurate simply becuase they aren't yours, then YOUR word is hardly any more credible.

Â* Â*Thats what you are doing right ? Dont pass it around . You are the one QUESTIONING the CREDIBILITY .

At least I haver presented publicly available, published sources that have been reviewed by their peers and have stood the test of time. These can be easily checked and verified. YOUR "sources", however, CANNOT.

Â* Â*My sources ? I dont need SOURCES to the least of campaigning to proveÂ* a point . I already did ... like I said WHO THE HECK ARE YOU for ME TO SWEAT BLOOD just prove something ? Unlike you ... a massive research of COPY and PASTING from a source that is not neutral . BIAS to make it short .

WRONG again. I wasn't mainly asking questions. I was mainly posting information.

Â* LOLZ .... youÂ* even keep on repeating it to yourself ... remember ?

I requested you to ask a question to prove how wrong your denials were. And for weeks tyou were afraid to ask asimple question of your superiors! And, of course, you didn't even ask the follow up question!

Â* Hahaha ... 2 things for you . You are the one DENYING the FACT because it does NOT FAVOR to your opinions and way of THINKING . First I can answer you myself .... what was your reply ? Second , I answered you in accordance to yourÂ* request .... what was your reply ? SAME THING ... AFRAID of HIDING SOMETHING ? Gi ingnan na gani gahi gyud ug ulo . Matigas ang ulo ... hard headed .... gets na Elvis ?

Finally, you continue to use poor reasoning that always backfires on you. if you tried using rational arguments instead we might get somewhere.

Â* And you think you are right ? And you think nothing backfired on you ? You never made an impact here because all you did was a reasoning that was not even yours . RATIONAL ARGUMENTS , POOR REASONING etc depends on who is reading and to whom it was address into . If that is the case of your understanding because it does favor you ... SORRY ... you are the one in DENIAL because that is the TRUTH and the FACT and just learn to accept it .

Â* Â*I am giving you an answer of first hand personal knowledge compared to your replies of borrowed articles . You may question the authenticity of the claims I said but at least I myself knows the truth behind it . Do you on your borrowed reasoning ?

Dont give me that CRAP of TESTED by TIME and by PEERS . What TIME and PEERS ? Si Fr Belcina of Danao ?

[mannyamador]

I am not SHOVING it DOWN YOUR THROAT

Yes you are. I have presented facts with evidence, and the acceptance or rejection of my claims can be based on the evidence presented. All YOU present, however, are insistent claims based on YOUR word and NOTHING ELSE. And you expect us to believe your UNSUPPORTED claims?

My sources ? I dont need SOURCES to the least of campaigning to prove a point

There you go again. You just expect readers to take your lies at face value, without any verification or checking ofsources. Sorrykid, it doesn't work that way. You have zero credibility. My sources, however, do have credibility. Certainly far more than you.

LOLZ .... you even keep on repeating it to yourself ... remember ?

You obviously have selective memory. Others can read the posts and see how wrong you are.

I am giving you an answer of first hand personal knowledge

Your personal "knowledge" is plain BS. Why should we trust your prejudiced word?.Like I said, you have ZERO credibility. Present real evidence first if you want credibility. That's how it works.

It seems you know nothing of the practice of looking at professional peer-review, which is used as one of the bases for determining credibility of a source. Please look it up.

[Jacks]

manny, kindly define what "anti-catholic" means... i might understand it in a different way than yours, and as i said, i'd like to be enlightened, so kindly define it... like what makes a person/group anti-catholic?... their actions?... what kind of actions?... their teachings?... what teachings for instance?... their logos?... what about their logos?... kindly elaborate on the "anti-catholic" part...

so being a freemason is a sin because the church believes freemasons are conspiring against the church?... so that means like they want the church to fall?...

[blackwidow]

Hi Gwyn!
This is my response to being excomunicated.
Don't care, don't give a hoot if I am excommunicated by the Catholic Church! They can excommunicate me from my toes to the tip of my hair, I Â*don't care. Â*They can send arrows towards my way, they can shoot me, bombard me with missiles (hehehehe), tie me in a rocket to the moon (what a ride this would be!), I don't care anymore. Don't want to be a part of the Church anymore either. Â* Would that really matter? I have Christ in me. Â*I'm happy. No one can take Him away from me! Â*

Alright! I'm open. Start shooting! Oh. I forgot, I've been shot already. DUH!
LOL

[Archer sensAtion]

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[Gwynhuever]

@mannyamador ...thank you for passing the information to us....but leave it at that...whether we accept / believe it.... is now upto us...we can do the research ourselves...we are not children anymore that you need to hold our hands and point for us which road is the correct one... just because you think you "proved" your claims with your so called evidences does not make the information THE one and only true principle....and also there are right venues for discussions...this is a forum about Freemasonry and it's Principles...would be nice if we don't turn it into The Catholic Church'es Stand Against Freemasonry...

this is a forum...springfield could be right he could be wrong....archer and blackwidow made their choices and they are happy....jacks wants to be enlightened....me...well i am just tired of you asking me to back my claims with evidences.....

we all have reasons coming to this thread...mine was to share and learn...but unfortunately your style of discussion turns me off....instead of wanting to post and ask questions....it makes me just shrug and roll my eyes....

i do not want to get into a pissing contest...because i do not care if my stance is accepted or not....because as i said i could be wrong....

oh well....this is a long OT...i hope the mods will be ok with this basin ma warn na nuon akong beauty...pag ka way pulos....mora ta raba nakig storya ug mayang bungol....

[BaDBoY]

... are masons controlling the world econoy?

[mannyamador]

manny, kindly define what "anti-catholic" means...

so being a freemason is a sin because the church believes freemasons are conspiring against the church?... so that means like they want the church to fall?...

Yes, that's quite accurate. The link I gave earlier also has links to other articles which contain more historical information on how some masonic lodges have conspired against the Church. By doing so, they are what I would call "anti-Catholic". It's not a special definition, really. Being "anti-Catholic" just involves the same kinds of acts that would make one anti-<place group, religion, or idea here>.

Examples:

• acting to discredit an idea or teaching
• trying to disrupt the essential functions of an organization
• harming or killing members of a group
• attempting to bring down an organization or government
• espousing that which contradicts an idea

@blackwidow
Your problem. You made your bed, now sleep in it. May you be enlightened.

[i_a_m_d_e_d_e]

fact of the matter is.. freemasons are excommunicated by the church.. klaro kaayo na sa mga rules sa catholic church.
but that doesnt make you bad persons.

[Jacks]

"fact of the matter is.. freemasons are excommunicated by the church.. klaro kaayo na sa mga rules sa catholic church.
but that doesnt make you bad persons."

you agree on this manny?...