MERGED: All About Gloria Arroyo - Past, Present, Future

[dawn runner]

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WALA BA SAD DIAY NANIKAS ANG MGA TAGA OPPOSITION PAG LAST ELECTION??..TUBAG!

WA MAN BAY. KAy kung nanikas pa, di daug ta mi? Ikaw ra may nag ingon nga way modaug kung way manikas. Ha ha ha ha ha.

Kung nanikas mo, inyo na problema. Ayaw lang mi pahiri sa inyong mga hugaw.

[dawn runner]

omg! ur argument is very lousy dude! try another one! convince me pls...anha ra ko mobilib nimo...toink..but honesly la jud koy bilib sa mga tawo nga one sided ra kaau..mga tawo nga giplabi ang mga kaugalingong interest kay sa interest sa katawhan....they are f**c*n idiot who are very insecured of theirselves that they tend to pull down with them other people who they got envious with...tsk..tsk..the old crab mentality*sigh*...lifoSOCKKZZ!

Unya kanang naa sa administrasyun wa na silay kaugalingon interes Klaro na sila nanikas di gyud mo resign kay kapit tuko sa pwesto.

Unya kadtong ilang gi talsik si Erap nga walay due process, wa silay kaugalingong interes adto?

Bantug ra gusto gyud nila ilisan si Erap kay aron man diay i legalize ang juetemg.

Si GMA, pirmi saad about good future, asa man Mura man ni si GMA kanang mamaligyaay ug tambal diha sa Carbon unya mag sige pa thrilling nga naay pagawasaon nga bitin para ma maintain ang hope ug excitement sa mga tawo, pero in the end wala diay bitin.

Mao ra pud ni si GMA, sige saad about economic progress ug quality of life pero pirmi ra butbot!

Karun increase na sad ug DOS SINGKWENTA ang plite. 7.50 na ang pliti. Sige istorya about upliftment pero pirmi paantus ang gihimo sa mga tawo.

Di ko motoo mga makabangon pa ta under Gloria. Proven na na'.

[dawn runner]

Guilty beyond any doubt
(from Daily Truibune)

If GMA is now facing criminal charges, there's no doubt that she stands convicted in the highest court, the court of pubic opinion.

A strong web of direct and circumstantial evidence has pinned her inextricably. Consider the following:

1. Her own spokesman released two tapes of incuminating conversations. Then, Secretary Ignacio Bunye, after playing the tapes made a voluntary admission in the presence of 50 or so members of the Malacañang Press Corps that the female voice on the tapes is GMA's.

The fact that he subsequently retracted that admission, even in a court of law does not necessarily nullify the original confession.

2. Commissioner Virgilio “Garci” Garcillano has disappeared and has not made a categorical and credible denial that the male voice on the tapes is not his. Former Commission on Elections (Comelec) Chairmen Christian Monsod and Harriet Demetriou identified the voice on the tapes as Garcillano's and add Garcillano, even during their time, was a notorious operator.

Reports say Garcillano is now in Kota Kinabalu, departing through the backdoor in a private plane escorted by former Philippine National Police (PNP) chief Hermogenes Ebdane en route to Singapore and to the United States.

If the tapes are not authentic and “Garci” did not do anything illegal, why did he flee? Gloria Arroyo should have asked him to face media and Congress to defend her “proclamation.”

3. Comelec Chairman Benjamin Abalos has turned around and now says Garcillano should not be reappointed. Earlier, he said Garcillano is not even in charge of any Mindanao region, that Garcillano went to Mindanao only four times before the elections, etc. which has been proved inaccurate.

If Garcillano is clean and innocent, why should he not be reappointed? Abalos has unwittingly convicted him, and by implication confirmed the veracity of the “fraud” in the tapes.

4. Justice Secretary Raul Gonzalez has threatened everybody including media, from those possessing the tapes, replaying them, even using extracts including ring tones, with criminal prosecution.

If the tapes are fabricated or spliced, and the voices are not those of GMA, Garcillano and First Gentleman Mike Arroyo, why the all-out effort to prevent their playing and circulation?

A TV survey shows 96 percent of listeners believe it is GMA's voice on the tapes.

5. Five bishops, civil society leaders, University of the Philippines professors, students and businessmen organizations have called on GMA to speak up and confront the issue.

The House of Representatives has asked for her comment.

6. While President Fidel Ramos has come out in support of GMA, former President Cory Aquino has not. First, she called for prayers, for sobriety, but nothing expressly supporting GMA. To add insult to injury, at the height of the controversy, she pays a visit to the top of anti-GMA forces, Fernando Poe Jr.'s widow, Susan Roces, giving profuse praises to her.

7. Vice President Noli de Castro makes a surprise visit to deposed President Joseph Estrada. He issues a statement saying while he is not aspiring for the presidency, he is ready to assume when the time comes.

8. The loyalist media organizations ABS-CBN, GMA-7 and the Philippine Daily Inquirer, who went all out for GMA in Edsa II, are now going all out to play the Gloriagate tapes. Listen to dzMM and dzBB and you will hear anti-GMA comments in abundance from sunrise to late night.

9. Senate President Frank Drilon has come out to urge GMA to speak up and confront the issues, has refused to stop the jueteng hearings and loyalist Senators Joker Arroyo, Ralph Recto, Manuel Roxas II, Pia Cayetano, Edgardo Angara and others are ominously and defeaningly silent on the wiretaps.

10. GMA lieutenants, former Ilocos Gov. Luis “Chavit” Singson and Davao City Mayor Rodrigo Duterte, are threatening to established independent republics, a clear shot at the bow of GMA's sinking ship. If GMA is innocent and stable, why take that position?

11. The hound dogs of GMA — NBI Director Reynaldo Wycoco and PNP Director Arturo Lomibao are now concentrating their fire on known Erap leaders, including a preposterous claim against Laarni Enriquez (again, after Oakwood) threatening to file sedition and serious illegal detention cases.

In an ongoing investigation, why did Lomibao himself, not the official spokesman, Gen. Leopoldo Bataoil, read the Doble affidavit himself?

How can they justify a charge of illegal detention against Samuel Ong, Bishop Ted Bacani and now Laarni Enriquez, when the “victim” himself now admits he received a P2-million payoff? You don't accept money when you are kidnapped. You pay ransom. Worst, Bishop Bacani and now Gen. Lomibao have released the records of cellphone calls by Doble to his wife. If you are the kidnapper, would you allow him to keep his cellphone so that he call out and call the police? Worse, lawyer Sammy Ong said Doble had a gun. If he was kidnapped, would the kidnapper allow him to keep his gun?

12. In spite of all the above, GMA continues to remain not only evasive, but silent on the issue, giving rise to an unmistakable conclusion that silence or claiming the right against self- incrimination as suggested by Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago, is tantamount to an admission of guilt.

“Your honor, the jury, the people find Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo guilty of culpable violation of the Constitution and betrayal of the public trust.”

What does the defendant say? “Your honor, I won fair and square. You know, in war and politics, everything is fair and square, di ba?

Excuse me, your honor my phone is ringing, “Hello, hello, hello Garci?”

[LytSlpr]

hahaay, some people just don't understand. in this country opinions and surveys don't count. only conviction and action does. i'm just wondering how are they going to go about that? hmmn...

again, abangan...

[yahbets]

hahaay, some people just don't understand. in this country opinions and surveys don't count. only conviction and action does. i'm just wondering how are they going to do about that? hmmn...

again, abangan...

Bay, you are too blinded to see the truth, I'm sorry to say. Wala na jud bay moral bone left in you to see that GMA even if cannot be judicially found guilty is already morally convicted?

While the tapes maybe inadmissible in a court of law, it does not mean GMA is not guilty. The issue the nation is now facing is not a legal one, where technicalities may absolve an accused, but an essentially moral one.

GMA has lost the moral battle a long time ago, and she is losing the propaganda war now . . .

[FK]

They are not fighting for what is moral bai yahbets... which I thought was the battle cry of EDSA II. yeah right... they hate the player not the deed.

[LytSlpr]

QUESTION: For you GMA is guilty right? What now? If you are going to impeach or oust her will our country become better? I bet my life it will be worse. Why? because the oppostion will enter the scene.

To the idealists here, what do you think is the best general solution to our country's predicament caused by these recent issues or scandals?

The thing with idealists and militants is that you always discuss, complain and are so called vanguards of morality and values but you do not have a definite and concrete action. In short you are all whiners. The word politics is already IMMORAL in itself the world over, how much more being in it?

Is the phrase lesser evil really difficult to grasp? So what are we really discussing? Do you ONLY want to prove that GMA is guilty or do you want our country to be better? HOW, by removing here? IMO, that is the frame of mind that you should be having.

As I've said if GMA is guilty or not, I DON'T CARE! What I do care about is for our country and the plight of our people to be better. Do you agree that right now if GMA will be out of the picture, that chance will be bleaker? I very much do.

BTW, what do you mean they hate the player and not the deed? honestly, to me it does not make sense to me. what is it exactly that you mean by that?

To all the idealists here, I suggest you watch City Hall by Al Pacino and listen to the dialogues attentively, intelligently and objectively. You will definitely learn a lesson or two.

In politics it is very easy to be black. It is next to impossible to be white because of the nature of your job and how you got there. The best thing you can be is to become grey despite your desire to be white. If you REALLY understand politics, you'll know what I'm talking about.

[omar50071]

QUESTION: For you GMA is guilty right? What now? If you are going to impeach or oust her will our country become better? I bet my life it will be worse. Why? because the oppostion will enter the scene.

Are you suggesting to condone the crime GMA committed inorder to save this country? Kung mao man lang gani, ok ra diay manikas every election basta lang taga administration or the likes of GMA, meaning highly educated.

To the idealists here, what do you think is the best general solution to our country's predicament caused by these recent issues or scandals?

I'd say let her answer all the accusation thrown to her to put an end to this, she caused this commotion, because of her deafening silence to the issue.

The thing with idealists and militants is that you always discuss, complain and are so called vanguards of morality and values but you do not have a definite and concrete action. In short you are all whiners. The word politics is already IMMORAL in itself the world over, how much more being in it?

Bia ikaw pud nag name calling...

A REMINDER TO EVERYONE: don't resort to trash talk or name calling because you don't know the status and influence of the people here. If you have half a brain, you should know better. this particular thread might progress to violence and we definitely don't want that to happen. this is supposed to be a forum for intellectual people and not degenerates.

ISTORYA lang gud ta! ...ug tarong.

Is the phrase lesser evil really difficult to grasp? So what are we really discussing? Do you ONLY want to prove that GMA is guilty or do you want our country to be better? HOW, by removing here? IMO, that is the frame of mind that you should be having.

Do you really think she can lead us to the ***********? I dont think so, with the scandals she's into right now, common Pinoys would be hesitant to follow her. And not to mention her additional VAT solution to solve the economy...samot!

As I've said if GMA is guilty or not, I DON'T CARE! What I do care about is for our country and the plight of our people to be better. Do you agree that right now if GMA will be out of the picture, that chance will be bleaker? I very much do.

I dont know how noble your intentions are, pero for me, her crime is not worth condoning. Na road test na nato siya, pero unsa nahitabo? Tan-awa ang corruption, ang VAT, ang pamaliton...

BTW, what do you mean they hate the player and not the deed? honestly, to me it does not make sense to me. what is it exactly that you mean by that?

Grabe maayo kaayo ka mo iningles wala ka kasabot?

Let me put it this way, kun si FPJ pa to ang nakadaug, unya nasakpan pud nanikas, what would be your reaction?

or maybe as what Mr. PisKhanXXX said you are just clouded by your own emotion.

[LytSlpr]

1] Condoning is not a word. Prosecute her and prove it. Bottomline, legally it will go no where.

2] I believe so but that is her prerogative. In the consitution we can incoke the right to remain silent.

3] Technically iI was not name calling a specific person. It was not personal. Understand the sentence.

4] She may not lead us to promise land but she is better then the people who will replace her. We all not it will be somebody from the opposition.

5] Don't look at the small details such as VAT. I hate the new VAT too. I am just looking at the greater good. We all know that if she steps down the opposition who backed up all the scandals will be in power.

6] I understood the statement. I believe your arguement sir about FPJ still does not make sense. Hate the player not the deed? I don't hate the player but I hate the deed. In his previous statement, it contradicts with his example. Understood? the construction or the use of the sentence is obviously incorrect. Get my point?

[omar50071]

1] Condoning is not the word. Prosecute her and prove it. Bottomline, legally it will go no where.

QUESTION: For you GMA is guilty right? What now? If you are going to impeach or oust her will our country become better? I bet my life it will be worse. Why? because the oppostion will enter the scene.

Sori bro if I misunderstood your statement, abi man gud nako ni assume ka nga kung guilty si GMA, pwede i condone lang nato for the betterment of our country.

2] I believe so but that is her prerogative. In the consitution we can invoke the right to remain silent.

I agree.

3] Technically iI was not name calling a specific person. It was not personal. Understand the sentence.

I assume you were generalizing right? Generalizing or being Specific is still name calling.

4] She may not lead us to promise land but she is better then the people who will replace her. We all now it will be somebody from the opposition.

Noli de Castro I believe is from the Administration.

5] Don't look at the small details such as VAT. I hate the new VAT too. I am just looking at the greater good. We all know that if she steps down the opposition who backed up all the scandals will be in power.

What greater good are you talking about? What oppositions? The last time the president was ousted, the VP took place.

6] I understood the statement. I believe your arguement sir about FPJ still does not make sense. Hate the player not the deed? I don't hate the play but I hate the did. In his previous statement, it contradicts with his example. Understood? the construction or the use of the sentence is obviously incorrect. Get my point?

Players = GMA & Erap
Deed = Nanikas, Nangawat

GMA + Nanikas = ok lang, pasaylo-on
Erap + Nangawat = People Power