Rites of Brotherhood.

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Happy 39th Anniversary
Tau Gamma Phi
Oct 4 1968
Long Live Triskelion!

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ The CHILD ...

Unsa may motivation mo apil og Fraternities(not to be confused with Barkada)?

Daghan ... really ... too many to mention just like one of those reasons , how one would love to have his or her own circle of friends sa Bisaya pa BARKADA .

They said its the lack of balls to stand on ones own feet to face the music of reality. Unsa kaha ni katinuod?
The Herd Mentality?

I would really love to meet and know these " THEY " you are talking about so that I can provw it to them that I have all the balls they thought I dont have and they can lick it also for free . lels ...

@Springy

I admire your courage in defense of the frat you serve or in behalf of the other frats (ayaw nalang to i apil akong frats kay matud pa nimo bogus man kaha to ...anyway, as i've said all over i don't need to reveal my affiliation here...and if you really so insist, i can tell you/show this in person and that includes my affiliation with Mensa and Greenpeace...no kidding...this time no more Google) But more than anything else here, and I think the most important in this thread, is the recognition of the very basic facts about fraternities...this isn't about trying to stereotype all fraternities but let me educate (as you want it) our fellow istoryans the reality that exists or common to most fraternities and I think i've mentioned this in other threads:

I just keep on repeating myself .. I dont defend it to death as how you described it . Its just so happened that I am qualified to say something on behalf of the organization because who else is more knowledgeable to the issue than the FRATMAN itself ?

1) Hazing (Part of the Initiation Rites). The public outrage against it is so deep that people want to outlaw frats (which I don't necessarily agree entirely) because of its unreasonable violence. And most frats can't seem to get rid of it despite the many deaths brought by it. This is the issue the public is against of and which most fraternities refuse or can't just take away from. I don't need to say if this is just my opinion -- this is the opinion of many or i should say many governments, parents, civic groups and many others.

Yes you are right . OPINIONS that are not ACQUAINTED of what it is .

No matter how much we defend the tradition of hazing - it is simply wrong and it is not right in the eyes of the public. Only fraternity people (but not all) understand it's significance but its necessity no longer holds any sense at all to this day and age from the point of reason and rights of persons.

PINPOINTING the HAZING ISSUE to the FRATS is ok . ANyone guilty and liable to it are subjected to be fined , imprisoned and punished . But does that mean its gonna stop there ? YES , most of these lawmakers doesnt even know HAZING existed anywhere and anytime outside the world of Greek lettered organizations . IGNORANCE eh ?

2) Refusal to take responsibility of leaders that conduct hazing. I don't recall a leader from a frat that take responsibility of a neophyte's death that ensue after hazing. Fraternities do hazing without regard for accountability to injuries or death. In most cases, leaders hide or hire a battery of lawyers and drag to litigation to wash them of any accountability. Glaring examples of which are the frat members involved in the following frat cases: Lenny De Villa (Aquila Legis); Cris Mendez (Sigma Rho); Alexander Miguel Icasiano (Alpha Phi Beta) and many others.

HAZING was outlawed for a time already in the Philippines and ages in the Western world . Get only the RESPONSIBLE person , mapa leader na or member in organizations , mapa officer na or enlisted in military etc . The moment HAZING happens , indeed that person already VIOLATED something but does that mean he or she was ordered to do it ? Not necessarily .

3) Hide Hazing in Initiation Manuals. Fraternities banner every good virtue they espouse in their website, insignia, frat anthems and every document they want to show to the public. Behind all the facade, is the violence that has been going on for generations and are never part of the frat's documents that are open to public scrutiny or buried in many of their other un-acceptable traditions that they have been keeping for so long without even the benefit of review to find meaning and purpose to such process.

How did you know ? Someone told you about it ?

You don't need to educate the public about hazing they know well what they are. They don't need to even look the dictionary what that monster is - because the monster in hazing is in the faces of those who were bereaved or victims of it - That is the fact.

Hehehe ... mismo ang nag pass s alaws gani wala nakasabot unsay HAZING . They are only after the acts of PHSICAL ABUSE and not the real ESSENCE of HAZING .

[brownprose]

@JX

"Not all naa'y violence..
One good example nga nakit.an nako was, there's this fraternity nga nag.hazing, gpa.traffic aide siya(neophyte) while wearing a girls dress and make up and all. This is not illegal.
Diha pod neophyte gi.hazing nga gpasul.ot ug long sleeves, w/ tie and shiny shoes, along with a few roses nga kinahanglan ipanghatag sa mga chicks nga makit.an nya. thats not illegal."

As i've said violence is not just physical alone although mostly they are. Verbal abuse, humiliation, insult, denigration are a few examples psychological and emotional violence/harm sama sa imong giingnon nga gipatraffic nya gipasul-ob ug binabay -- by definition of the law illegal na siya just so happened that nobody cared or probably were unaware (which I suspect) that a law has been violated or violence by humiliation was already committed.

By the way violence is defined by WHO (World Health Organization) as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment or deprivation."

The use of force (hazing by paddling) and power (power of fraternities to accept neophytes as well as the power to subject neophytes to undergo such procedure) makes hazing a perfect fit for the physical/psychological/emotional violence that it commits.

[brownprose]

@Springy

Buhi pa diay ka LOLs...

@Springy says: Hehehe ... mismo ang nag pass s alaws gani wala nakasabot unsay HAZING . They are only after the acts of PHSICAL ABUSE and not the real ESSENCE of HAZING.

- Well...for a person to speak about the "ignorance" of these senators (who by the way some belong to frats) is plain arrogance. fyi, the law was also approved by the house gi-apil nalang unta to nimo ang mga congressmen who voted for it and also the president who signed it. In case you don't know, laws just don't appear out of the blue -- they are deliberated, prior consultations are made and prior researches are also evaluated.

- They said that two heads are better than one. Here comes springy alone -- and say that the senators, congressmen and the president are all ignorant of hazing. I just leave it up to the people here to judge who's arrogant este ignorant diay.

- Ayaw kaau ug assume dodong coz when u assume a lot (matud pa) makes an @ss of u and me.

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@Springy

Buhi pa diay ka LOLs...

Pwerting buhi-a ... its just that sometimes waiting for someone here aron ma replayan is not my priority sometimes .

- Well...for a person to speak about the "ignorance" of these senators (who by the way some belong to frats) is plain arrogance. fyi, the law was also approved by the house gi-apil nalang unta to nimo ang mga congressmen who voted for it and also the president who signed it. In case you don't know, laws just don't appear out of the blue -- they are deliberated, prior consultations are made and prior researches are also evaluated.

LOLZ ... I dont want to argue with it kay magkinahanglan man ko ug presentation of PROOFS which I am too lazy or doesnt have the motivation to look for it . At one time , though its not specific to HAZING , a lot of LAWS were passed , signed and amended w/o even reading what it is . You dont have to believe in what I say but who knows maybe even you knew about it . It happened here in the Philippines and in the US .

- They said that two heads are better than one. Here comes springy alone -- and say that the senators, congressmen and the president are all ignorant of hazing. I just leave it up to the people here to judge who's arrogant este ignorant diay.

And here comes a MENSA MEMBER mentality . Thats what I thought ! Unsa to ang usa ? GREENPEAS ? Lels ...

- Ayaw kaau ug assume dodong coz when u assume a lot (matud pa) makes an @ss of u and me.

Too bad ... SPRINGY never SPECULATED and ASSUMED on anything unless I specifically said that I speculated and assumed . Otherwise , if wala gani nako gi note , ikaw ra ang nagpabilin na nag ASSUME and SPECULATE .

Now back to the topic ... i explain kuno ang unsay makita ug mabasa nimo sa RA 8049 then ato kilatison ngano maka-ingon ta na IGNORANTE ang nag PASS ana . Basehi na lang daan pod ang DEFINITION sa HAZING . Is that EXCLUSIVE to FRATERNITIES and SORORITIES ?

[JX]

@brownprose

The definition of hazing alone does not give the whole definition of the RA 8049 Act.


-dictionary.com
"physical force used to inflict injury or damage,"
-wiki
Violence is the use of physical force against persons that potentially causes fear, injury or death.
-Definition of violence by WHO:
WHO’s World Report on Violence and Health defines violence as the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment or deprivation.

Meaning naa'y physical force nga mo result into injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment or deprivation.

Define psychological harm:

psychological harm is the consequence of a negative event that produces a new situation with which the victim is unable to cope and to which he or she is incapable of adapting.

shagitan lng ang tao, naa na'y psychological harm, pro wla'y violence..
mosulod nlng dayon ang violence if naa na'y threat, mostly the use of physical force..

The use of force (hazing by paddling) and power (power of fraternities to accept neophytes as well as the power to subject neophytes to undergo such procedure) makes hazing a perfect fit for the physical/psychological/emotional violence that it commits.

lolz, force and power? force or power?

As i've said violence is not just physical alone although mostly they are. Verbal abuse, humiliation, insult, denigration are a few examples psychological and emotional violence/harm sama sa imong giingnon nga gipatraffic nya gipasul-ob ug binabay -- by definition of the law illegal na siya just so happened that nobody cared or probably were unaware (which I suspect) that a law has been violated or violence by humiliation was already committed.

verbal abuse, humiliation, insult, degradation, etc.. are indeed examples of psychological harm, but specifically psychological harassment, thru constant negative remarks, repeated criticism or sarcasm, etc..

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OT :

Even DOMESTIC VIOLENCE , its like HAZING na very broad but na SPECIFIC lang but as what most people thinks and knows about it but at least sa ISSUE na domestic violence , even VERBAL ABUSE is DOMESTIC VIOLENCE so bisan wala dapati , subjected gihapon ka ug pag violate because by definition , it carries it to the simplest and most obvious form , IT CAUSES HARM and it has NO BUTS and IFS .

[brownprose]

OT :

Even DOMESTIC VIOLENCE , its like HAZING na very broad but na SPECIFIC lang but as what most people thinks and knows about it but at least sa ISSUE na domestic violence , even VERBAL ABUSE is DOMESTIC VIOLENCE so bisan wala dapati , subjected gihapon ka ug pag violate because by definition , it carries it to the simplest and most obvious form , IT CAUSES HARM and it has NO BUTS and IFS .

@Springy

Domestic Violence and Hazing are not the same bananas BUT they have one thing in common: violence. Verbal/physical or psychological. Under domestic violence, the victims are commonly women committed by their spouses or common-law-husbands. While hazing are committed by fraternities, military and other organized groups against would-be members or mostly referred to as neophytes.

You are also correct to say that verbal abuse (although not physical) are still considered violence.

Going back to HAZING - I don't think fraternities should dignify the practice. No matter how they say it, it is still ILLEGAL under the law. Public opinion no matter how IGNORANT fraternities the military or any group think of them it is still ILLEGAL and should not be condoned. Kung ang fraternities claim to be law abiding, ngano paman gyud buhaton? Kung tarong ka nga frat or organization, why not stop it or stop recruiting?

Fraternities or groups that practice it have done a great disservice to their oath or to the public.

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Hazing does not make a brother 100% loyal to the fraternity - but it may prove that he can withstand violent encounters against rival fraternities... Hehehe...

Projects are the easiest to do: just make sure to stuff metal knuckles and pipes and sharp daggers into your backpack, and a bonnet in your pocket, and you have a good chance of survival when the next rumble erupts.

[botslob]

Hazing does not make a brother 100% loyal to the fraternity - but it may prove that he can withstand violent encounters against rival fraternities... Hehehe...

korek ka diyan brad. pabaga-ay sa kubal aron di madutlan. hazing maka loyal? mag-unay paman gani ang mga igsoon kana pang di parente!