US Navy turn seawater into fuel

[b00rdz]

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Why would the US navy would utter such a bold statement that they will end their dependence on fossil fuels in the first place? The fact that many of the US navy ships runs on nuclear reactor for decades why still bother relying on fossil fuels if there was such a grand scheme of ending fossil base fuel dependency ?

Of course in years/decades time when oil become scarcer or expensive this technology would come handy. At the moment and as they said this technology ADDS Mobility not to end oil dependency, they can go on operation much longer before refueling.

Speaking of funding... the US had spend Billions of dollar and efforts to protect its oil interest abroad, and you saying the naval research team will have to beg for funding for their breakthrough fuel research? Cmon. keep your conspiracy theory for yourself, theres so many US military projects going on and this one doesnt deserve top most priority? The fact the Navy are encouraging university/private companies to help them improve efficiency and make this commercially viable since the Navy is not a commercial entity.. would you think all this fuss is about funding? They can bank on their ideas if they have too.

Personally, I think they are running out of new idea to improve fuel production efficiency so hence they need the help of private sector so to explain this press releases. They got a breakthrough in which can be commercially manifested in a decade time, if funding is an issue, would it take that long to have these technologies installed on their ships?



I said GAME CHANGER not game changing. its base on TS link not yours. dont put words to my mouth. why do people do that here ??


Goodbye, Oil: US Navy Cracks New Renewable Energy Technology To Turn Seawater Into Fuel, Allowing Ships To Stay At Sea Longer

No need to explain the process on how they do it and i know its not that efficient (for now). I know whats is Bipolar membrane electrodialysis thank you lol May I ask how you come up with "5.2 liters of fuel fraction from processing 100,000 liters of seawater" ? did you include the hydrogen component of this hydrocarbon fuel right ? Hydrogen like H2O in seawater Lol

The problem with you is that you keep stressing its not feasible/cost efficient and saying silly things that they need to compensate the power consumption of pumping sea water alone and processing it. When its clear that the $6per gallon is an END result of the process.

Honestly I dont know how they exactly compute it but I read and I equate...


Input --> ( $xxxx per kilowatt hour on a nuclear reactor ) + Investment (im not sure on this) = $6 per gallon <--- Output *

*Output can be decrease if $ per kilowatt is cheaper; $3 if done on land base
*the number of gallons of output can be increase if efficiency improve



Its not a lousy excuse, its just intelligence on this matter eludes you lol.

eg

price of KWh varies so predicted result varies as well.

if KWH is $1,200 (cause its from nuclear reactor) and it produces 200 gallons of fuel they can sell it for $6 per gallon. Now this just an example of course they will sum up all the expenses and divide it to the number of gallon of fuel they produce hence the price of fuel.

If you wont agree and I ask you again, where do you think they come up of $6 per gallon if they didnt base it on parameters ?

Below is the official press release of the navy. I based all my computations on their figures.
If you know how to compute the yield based on the efficiencies and the amount of Carbon Dioxide in seawater, you can pretty much target how much they can convert to fuel.

Scale Model WWII Craft Takes Flight With Fuel From the Sea Concept - U.S. Naval Research Laboratory

Didn't bother with the link posted by the TS at is lacking in technical information and as I have said it was done by the news outfits that came racing on who can be first to misinterpret when the official press release was available to the public. Got my figures from the horse mouth itself.

Also one reason why I think this is for pogi points and doubted as a game changer because this invention is recycled. There is already a patent for this invention way back in 2005 by the US Navy itself but by a different inventor. How come the US military didn't use it now? It is even available to the public since 2008.

https://www.google.com/patents/US7420004

[b00rdz]

I know whats is Bipolar membrane electrodialysis thank you lol

LOL...... Used for people with a non-functioning kidney..... LOL

LOL....... Obviously you don't know what you are talking about.... LOL

Done with you... LOL

[Romeojin]

Below is the official press release of the navy. I based all my computations on their figures.
If you know how to compute the yield based on the efficiencies and the amount of Carbon Dioxide in seawater, you can pretty much target how much they can convert to fuel.

Scale Model WWII Craft Takes Flight With Fuel From the Sea Concept - U.S. Naval Research Laboratory

Dodging questions eh? typical.

Tell us how much of seawater can they convert into fuel? You basically excluded hydrogen on your "non predicted" calculations ? Much of seawater is hydrogen and most of the fuel produce on this process is hydrogen base. Do you really need to stressed out "5.72 liters of fuel per 100,000 liters of seawater" and left out the hydrogen component. And concluded not feasible ? you probably just lost on computations hehehe

Didn't bother with the link posted by the TS at is lacking in technical information and as I have said it was done by the news outfits that came racing on who can be first to misinterpret when the official press release was available to the public. Got my figures from the horse mouth itself.

Im pretty sure you misinterpret it, first no mention they are ending oil dependency and then the Navy had labelled it "game changer" cause it gives added mobility. TS link comes from a credible source, if in any way it was misinterpret or erroneous feel free to sue them so far your conspiracy theory is outrageous than any misinterpretations you hurl at the media.

Even this navy official press release lacks so much information and you just base your calculations on this limited data? No wonder you're lost of the "$6" figure. You should look for the research paper of their project and you will be surprise to know it takes 1300+ cubic meter of seawater to produce hydrogen; 8.9M cubic meter of seawater to extract CO2; to produce 100,000 gallons of fuel per day at $6 a gallon to cover up the expenses. If your main concern is minimal CO2 in seawater, geez carbonated drink maker produce their own CO2. How hard could that be installed in navy ship in tandem with hydrogen extraction machinery.

That $6 a gallon they didnt guess that I dont need to spoon feed you information so look it up. Between you and the US navy, who you think people will believe in. It will be stupid if the US Navy had to say its feasible and commercially viable if they can't backed it. So enough of your stupid theory, you wont even answer how they come up $6 ? Common sense dictates. the value goods are base from expenses and maybe add some profit.

Also one reason why I think this is for pogi points and doubted as a game changer because this invention is recycled. There is already a patent for this invention way back in 2005 by the US Navy itself but by a different inventor. How come the US military didn't use it now? It is even available to the public since 2008.

https://www.google.com/patents/US7420004

What you meant they didnt use the patent now ? Its the same patent for the same project, anyone who work in the US navy research can take advantage of the patent. Turning seawater to fuel is a research work done in decades, it isnt something new nor it was recycle it just took a lot of time to materialize. They build up their prototype back in 2010 and just recently tested the fuel on miniature WWII craft as based on your link (press release). I bet every milestone on their research were given press release, Its not because they want "pa.pogi points" for what funding?

Keep your conspiracy theories if not give proof. The very patent itself is a proof they can make money on this project and who would and why "mag papogi" if the idea was recycle ? funding ? (in which you cant prove). Beside, If the navy or military unit(s) would vent frustration or beg over a budget they wont go to the media/press but rather to a committee or military head/department. Grounds of insubordination if they do otherwise. The US spend what $600B? last year and they cant fund the navy research lab ? as if they need that much of a funding.

LOL...... Used for people with a non-functioning kidney..... LOL

LOL....... Obviously you don't know what you are talking about.... LOL

Done with you... LOL

You tried to make yourself "smart??" by trying to explain how they extract CO2 and even done computations, and you dont know what is the term of the process ? LMAO

Bipolar membrane electrodialysis (BPMED) is a process in which they extract CO2 from seawater.

It even had its own patent.
Patent EP2543427A1 - Electrodialytic separation of CO2 gas from seawater - Google Patents

links

Cleaning the air by cleaning the ocean - The Berkeley Science Review
Seawater + electricity = jet fuel

paid publications


CO2 extraction from seawater using bipolar membrane electrodialysis

CO2 extraction from seawater using bipolar membrane electrodialysis - Energy & Environmental Science (RSC Publishing)
CO2 extraction from seawater using bipolar membrane electrodialysis - Energy & Environmental Science (RSC Publishing)


And if you know what you are talking about, please give us links in which "Bipolar membrane electrodialysis" is used for people with non functioning kidney The very exact word "Bipolar membrane electrodialysis" ha, you read "dialysis" and you jump to kydney right away. Even the wiki page of "Electrodialysis" doesnt have "kidney" written on its page lol.


And please dont go yet... you havent embarrass yourself that much.

[salbahis]

id prefer turning stupidity into fuel, since our world has limitless supply of it...

[timoyans]

Goodbye, Oil: US Navy Cracks New Renewable Energy Technology To Turn Seawater Into Fuel, Allowing Ships To Stay At Sea Longer

By Christopher Harress@Charress
on April 08 2014 6:00 AM


After decades of experiments, U.S. Navy scientists believe they may have solved one of the world’s great challenges: how to turn seawater into fuel.
The development of a liquid hydrocarbon fuel could one day relieve the military’s dependence on oil-based fuels and is being heralded as a “game changer” because it could allow military ships to develop their own fuel and stay operational 100 percent of the time, rather than having to refuel at sea.
The new fuel is initially expected to cost around $3 to $6 per gallon, according to the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory, which has already flown a model aircraft on it.
The Navy’s 289 vessels all rely on oil-based fuel, with the exception of some aircraft carriers and 72 submarines that rely on nuclear propulsion. Moving away from that reliance would free the military from fuel shortages and fluctuations in price.
"It's a huge milestone for us," said Vice Adm. Philip Cullom. "We are in very challenging times where we really do have to think in pretty innovative ways to look at how we create energy, how we value energy and how we consume it. We need to challenge the results of the assumptions that are the result of the last six decades of constant access to cheap, unlimited amounts of fuel."
The breakthrough came after scientists developed a way to extract carbon dioxide and hydrogen gas from seawater. The gasses are then turned into a fuel by a gas-to-liquids process with the help of catalytic converters.
"For us in the military, in the Navy, we have some pretty unusual and different kinds of challenges," said Cullom. "We don't necessarily go to a gas station to get our fuel. Our gas station comes to us in terms of an oiler, a replenishment ship. Developing a game-changing technology like this, seawater to fuel, really is something that reinvents a lot of the way we can do business when you think about logistics, readiness."
The next challenge for the Navy is to produce the fuel in industrial quantities. It will also partner with universities to maximize the amount of CO2 and carbon they can recapture.
”For the first time we've been able to develop a technology to get CO2 and hydrogen from seawater simultaneously. That's a big breakthrough," said Dr. Heather Willauer, a research chemist who has spent nearly a decade on the project, adding that the fuel "doesn't look or smell very different."
“We've demonstrated the feasibility, we want to improve the process efficiency," explained Willauer.

Source: Goodbye, Oil: US Navy Cracks New Renewable Energy Technology To Turn Seawater Into Fuel, Allowing Ships To Stay At Sea Longer

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If mahitabo man gani ni am sure 90% population sa earth dli na oil dependent.. og kato mga countries nga nagdepend ang economy nla sa Natural Oil.. naa'y possibly mo collapse?like dubai, KSA,Kuwait Qatar, etc.What you think guys?

Mag Patuli kog usab ug mahitabo ni!!!

[blindsniper]

the new fuel cost at about 3$ to 6$ per gallon so wala magkayalo sa crude oil.

[centerpiece]

hala tinuod ni? luoya kaha sa middle east ane noh? mao raba tawn na ilang gisaligan ug maau ang fuel..

[nirpz]

good find..

[timoyans]

Dodging questions eh? typical.

Tell us how much of seawater can they convert into fuel? You basically excluded hydrogen on your "non predicted" calculations ? Much of seawater is hydrogen and most of the fuel produce on this process is hydrogen base. Do you really need to stressed out "5.72 liters of fuel per 100,000 liters of seawater" and left out the hydrogen component. And concluded not feasible ? you probably just lost on computations hehehe




Im pretty sure you misinterpret it, first no mention they are ending oil dependency and then the Navy had labelled it "game changer" cause it gives added mobility. TS link comes from a credible source, if in any way it was misinterpret or erroneous feel free to sue them so far your conspiracy theory is outrageous than any misinterpretations you hurl at the media.

Even this navy official press release lacks so much information and you just base your calculations on this limited data? No wonder you're lost of the "$6" figure. You should look for the research paper of their project and you will be surprise to know it takes 1300+ cubic meter of seawater to produce hydrogen; 8.9M cubic meter of seawater to extract CO2; to produce 100,000 gallons of fuel per day at $6 a gallon to cover up the expenses. If your main concern is minimal CO2 in seawater, geez carbonated drink maker produce their own CO2. How hard could that be installed in navy ship in tandem with hydrogen extraction machinery.

That $6 a gallon they didnt guess that I dont need to spoon feed you information so look it up. Between you and the US navy, who you think people will believe in. It will be stupid if the US Navy had to say its feasible and commercially viable if they can't backed it. So enough of your stupid theory, you wont even answer how they come up $6 ? Common sense dictates. the value goods are base from expenses and maybe add some profit.



What you meant they didnt use the patent now ? Its the same patent for the same project, anyone who work in the US navy research can take advantage of the patent. Turning seawater to fuel is a research work done in decades, it isnt something new nor it was recycle it just took a lot of time to materialize. They build up their prototype back in 2010 and just recently tested the fuel on miniature WWII craft as based on your link (press release). I bet every milestone on their research were given press release, Its not because they want "pa.pogi points" for what funding?

Keep your conspiracy theories if not give proof. The very patent itself is a proof they can make money on this project and who would and why "mag papogi" if the idea was recycle ? funding ? (in which you cant prove). Beside, If the navy or military unit(s) would vent frustration or beg over a budget they wont go to the media/press but rather to a committee or military head/department. Grounds of insubordination if they do otherwise. The US spend what $600B? last year and they cant fund the navy research lab ? as if they need that much of a funding.




You tried to make yourself "smart??" by trying to explain how they extract CO2 and even done computations, and you dont know what is the term of the process ? LMAO

Bipolar membrane electrodialysis (BPMED) is a process in which they extract CO2 from seawater.

It even had its own patent.
Patent EP2543427A1 - Electrodialytic separation of CO2 gas from seawater - Google Patents

links

Cleaning the air by cleaning the ocean - The Berkeley Science Review
Seawater + electricity = jet fuel

paid publications


CO2 extraction from seawater using bipolar membrane electrodialysis

CO2 extraction from seawater using bipolar membrane electrodialysis - Energy & Environmental Science (RSC Publishing)
CO2 extraction from seawater using bipolar membrane electrodialysis - Energy & Environmental Science (RSC Publishing)


And if you know what you are talking about, please give us links in which "Bipolar membrane electrodialysis" is used for people with non functioning kidney The very exact word "Bipolar membrane electrodialysis" ha, you read "dialysis" and you jump to kydney right away. Even the wiki page of "Electrodialysis" doesnt have "kidney" written on its page lol.


And please dont go yet... you havent embarrass yourself that much.

bay, Taas ra kaayu kag gipanulat, wala nay gusto mubasa ana. ga kalas kalas lng kag page. hehehe

[timoyans]

naa baya to naka inbento dre cebu nga tubig ra sa puso negro ang gitubil sa sakyanan unya nakapadagan pero wa supportahe sa gobyerno sa pinas tua na ron sa china gibaligya ang formula

Paita aning clase sa mga taw uy! diin man tawn kang bukira gikan bro? township? or lamac?