Please help us! bea and owig

[owig]

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@baby_jenie,.,.,.,.,ang amoa unta gusto ba na mo reply unta cya sa amoa panguta og sultian mi niya sa tinoud dli nga iya rami ibaliwala kay tao biya mi na ni atubang niya so mag paka tao sad cya,we pay the right price biya and to think g ilad pa jud mi,,until now wla lang gihapon cyay pakialam,.,....kng kaila mo bai palihug ko og advice niya! salamat bro!

[cebuana2]

di kaayo klaro pero i think he's mixed... my friend's Bubbles who's a shih tzu/toy poodle looks similar to your dog..... this article might help you. read along -----

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b]Shih Tzu Breed Standard[/b]
Toy Group

General Appearance
The Shih Tzu is a sturdy, lively, alert toy dog with long flowing double coat. Befitting his noble Chinese ancestry as a highly valued, prized companion and palace pet, the Shih Tzu is proud of bearing, has a distinctively arrogant carriage with head well up and tail curved over the back. Although there has always been considerable size variation, the Shih Tzu must be compact, solid, carrying good weight and substance.

Even though a toy dog, the Shih Tzu must be subject to the same requirements of soundness and structure prescribed for all breeds, and any deviation from the ideal described in the standard should be penalized to the extent of the deviation. Structural faults common to all breeds are as undesirable in the Shih Tzu as in any other breed, regardless of whether or not such faults are specifically mentioned in the standard.

Size, Proportion, Substance
Size - Ideally, height at withers is 9 to 10½ inches; but, not less than 8 inches nor more than 11 inches. Ideally, weight of mature dogs, 9 to 16 pounds. Proportion - Length between withers and root of tail is slightly longer than height at withers. The Shih Tzu must never be so high stationed as to appear leggy, nor so low stationed as to appear dumpy or squatty. Substance - Regardless of size, the Shih Tzu is always compact, solid and carries good weight and substance.

Head
Head - Round, broad, wide between eyes, its size in balance with the overall size of dog being neither too large nor too small. Fault: Narrow head, close-set eyes. Expression - Warm, sweet, wide-eyed, friendly and trusting. An overall well-balanced and pleasant expression supersedes the importance of individual parts. Care should be taken to look and examine well beyond the hair to determine if what is seen is the actual head and expression rather than an image created by grooming technique. Eyes - Large, round, not prominent, placed well apart, looking straight ahead. Very dark. Lighter on liver pigmented dogs and blue pigmented dogs. Fault: Small, close-set or light eyes; excessive eye white. Ears - Large, set slightly below crown of skull; heavily coated. Skull - Domed. Stop - There is a definite stop. Muzzle - Square, short, unwrinkled, with good cushioning, set no lower than bottom eye rim; never downturned. Ideally, no longer than 1 inch from tip of nose to stop, although length may vary slightly in relation to overall size of dog. Front of muzzle should be flat; lower lip and chin not protruding and definitely never receding. Fault: Snipiness, lack of definite stop. Nose - Nostrils are broad, wide, and open. Pigmentation - Nose, lips, eye rims are black on all colors, except liver on liver pigmented dogs and blue on blue pigmented dogs. Fault: Pink on nose, lips, or eye rims. Bite - Undershot. Jaw is broad and wide. A missing tooth or slightly misaligned teeth should not be too severely penalized. Teeth and tongue should not show when mouth is closed. Fault: Overshot bite.

Neck, Topline, Body
Of utmost importance is an overall well-balanced dog with no exaggerated features. Neck - Well set-on flowing smoothly into shoulders; of sufficient length to permit natural high head carriage and in balance with height and length of dog. Topline - Level. Body -Short-coupled and sturdy with no waist or tuck-up. The Shih Tzu is slightly longer than tall. Fault: Legginess. Chest -Broad and deep with good spring-of-rib, however, not barrel-chested. Depth of ribcage should extend to just below elbow. Distance from elbow to withers is a little greater than from elbow to ground. Croup - Flat. Tail - Set on high, heavily plumed, carried in curve well over back. Too loose, too tight, too flat, or too low set a tail is undesirable and should be penalized to extent of deviation.

Forequarters
Shoulders - Well-angulated, well laid-back, well laid-in, fitting smoothly into body. Legs - Straight, well-boned, muscular, set well-apart and under chest, with elbows set close to body. Pasterns - Strong, perpendicular. Dewclaws - May be removed. Feet - Firm, well-padded, point straight ahead.

Hindquarters
Angulation of hindquarters should be in balance with forequarters. Legs - Well-boned, muscular, and straight when viewed from rear with well-bent stifles, not close set but in line with forequarters. Hocks - Well let down, perpendicular. Fault: Hyperextension of hocks. Dewclaws - May be removed. Feet - Firm, well-padded, point straight ahead.

Coat
Coat - Luxurious, double-coated, dense, long, and flowing. Slight wave permissible. Hair on top of head is tied up. Fault: Sparse coat, single coat, curly coat. Trimming - Feet, bottom of coat, and anus may be done for neatness and to facilitate movement. Fault: Excessive trimming.

Color and Markings
All are permissible and to be considered equally.

Gait
The Shih Tzu moves straight and must be shown at its own natural speed, neither raced nor strung-up, to evaluate its smooth, flowing, effortless movement with good front reach and equally strong rear drive, level topline, naturally high head carriage, and tail carried in gentle curve over back.

Temperament
As the sole purpose of the Shih Tzu is that of a companion and house pet, it is essential that its temperament be outgoing, happy, affectionate, friendly and trusting towards all.

[tolstoi]

this is the headshot of our 4 year old pure bred shi tzu..c CHUI =)



compared to what you've bought from dark_rott

[img width=500 height=375]http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l252/cahmille/kookie_bestshots/IMGP1454.jpg[/img]

murag mixed gyud in my opininion.

[cahmille]

mao lagi..lahi man gud jud but still she insist man ky ni balik man owig sa ilaha nya iya gidala iya tzu didto and ni ingon daw na dark_rott na tanaw cya sa nose and iya gisukod nya la daw ni tingog after nya gi sukod and gi divert dayon and conversation sa lain... wala ma ngud jud confirmation if onsa jud ang breed ky until now la mi kita sa mama sa pup and picture ra amo nakitan sa papa.. na ingon cya iyaha daw to but wala sa ilaha ky gibutang nya sa ilahang pikas balay oban sa iyahang mga oban na rott. inig tanaw lagi nimo sa pup mora cya terrier.

[kamikaze426]

Maayo unta makig sturya ug tarong ang seller sa inyo para matiwas na ni, maka daot man pud ni sa iyaha kay cge gud cya baligya ug pets

[owig]

lagi pero unsaon taman na wla naman cyay pakabana!! so maau unta kng ang admin mo patawag both parties para sad naa na clay action,i know man na nag cgeg basa ang admin ani and i know na tabangan raman sad unya mi nila cge lang kay mag hulat lang mi! hope lang unta dli ni mabaliwala,.,..salamat sa tanan! katong naay nga tsu ipang post ninyo palihog para ma compare nato pag au ang nga ero ,,,,,,,ty..............u

[blueforrest]

Ako lang sad i share ako side: Actually naa ko shih tzu a few weeks ago na baligya. Si owig ni ask to view my pups kay he seemed interested.
Then ni ask siya questions sa ako if pure ba gyud ang ako shih tzu, I answered him : Yes. Ingon siya basin pareha sa uban daw na moingon ug
pure unya dili diay to ako siya gi pakita sa tanan nako an shih tzu sa balay na mao ni inig dako nila ikaw nay judge kung pure or dili kay I've just knew more about dogs. Then nakita niya ang ako isa ka male na shih tzu na similar sa picture na gi send ni dark rott sa iya phone a few months before. Owig ask mi if it's a pure shih tzu male, and ni answer
ko na hala, ang ako man na dog when he was 6 months old or 7 months old. na shock ko sa ako nakita. Then he asked about the dog naa sa iya atubangan nag mao ang naa sa picture ug same ra ba sila.. di niingon ko Yes. Wala ko mo deny then we talked about the
pureness of the puppies, tapos nangutana ko why man kuti kaayo siya sa pureness sa dog.Ingon siya nakapalit daw siya dapit sa tabunok church and it's from dark_rott. di niingon ko na dili man na siya ingon ana na seller, mosulti gyud na siya kung pure or dili kay base sa ko nakita and experience sa una with her reliable kaayo and very good sa mga dogs and that pwedi niya adtoon or txtsan si dark-rott to talk about the matter. naka appreciate ko pag ayo sa iyang pagka dog lover. I even learned 50% about dogs from her. Our friendship went too close even the shortest time na nag ila mi because sa iyang cage na baligya sa una which I still have until now and when I bought my Akita dog from her. I even asked her advises about dogs and she was there all the time. People around nag wonder sa among ka close and the trust I gave to her. Ako mga cousins and best friends nag question about it even my mother, but I never judge her according sa ilang impression ni dark_rott. Then wala nami nagka kuyog kay busy siya sa iya life and same with me sa ako work and family, in every friendship there are time na naa jud mo gamay na arguments which I wouldn't deny dark-rott and I have experienced. Pero I didn't come to the point na ako siya gidaot sa uban. Si Owig, ni adto sa bhalay pag view sa ak puppies at that time, if only from the start na mag imbistigar ra daiy siya. di jud ko mosugot. I was caught in a situation where I need to stand out for the truth, not because dark-rott is an old friend or coz si Owig nailad. I stand out as myself - an individual esp. naapil ang ako male tzu. Ako sige ko advise ni owig sa Pm and text to talk to dark_rott, but he said sige na daw sila ni cahmille ug text and pm pero walay tubag, daghan daw excuses,ingonpa gani ko na basin wala gyud na dawat or mas labing maayo adtoon sa balay. pero nibalibad si Owig na di na lang. Karon ni post to sa thread sa shih tzu ni darkrott asking if ang puppy pure ba or dili. A simple yes or no could have been an only asnwer pero wala daw japon tubaga. nag sige ko basa ato na thread nila, hoping dark_rott would answer instead of other people pero wala. I read it every day with another friend na nakapalit sad ug mixed pup ni dark_rott sa una na gi informed gyud ni dark_rott na mixed pup.karon, daghan nisakay ato na thread, early morningf at around 3:45am nag text nako si dark_rott na Y won't I send the messages I have sent to chad sa iya deritso. I have read the text early morningna kay natulog nako ato na time.. ako siay gi ask what she meant and who was chad.. kay wala ko kaila na chad ug ang number na iya gihatag sa ako kay sa lain na number nga interested mo buy sa ako mixed lab-husky pups... ni reply siye never mind. Then nibasa na sad ko sa thread at that day, then I knew why iya ko gi ask to sent the messages ni chad directly to her with a smiley icon pa. Then ako siya giingnan na si chadix diay imong gi mean na chad? asa ato na chad kato bad or kato buotan? She replied kato boutan.
then I said ah ok... tana ko niya kung aware ba siya sa nahitabo sa thread sa istorya ingon siya yes ingna siya ni chadix but wala siya kabasa sa details tanan.. eh check daw niya. Ingon ko niya, answer na na ila pangutana kay mao ra ang gipangayo.ingna si chadix ayaw siya ang pa replya kay mao naa misakay siguro ang uban kay naulit sa replies na gikan halos tanan ni chadix dili sa imo. Then the thread was trashed.
I assumed na ok na sila tanan that iya na gi answeran sila Owig ug Bea. Nag text text sad mi with some things of our business after that nicely. Then last night ni text si dark_rott nako: nagpasalamt sa tanan. Ni reply ko na para asa man and be specific. Ingon siya I don't need to."Nagpasalamat lang ko 4 all the things you've done. Am sure you know what those r.TXS AGAIN " mao na iyang reply. di ingon ok OK. Then she texted ok, gudnyt, blah... pagka ganihan 12:49AM na "it's better na goro na gkan from ur mouth. Kita diay ka sa tzu dam sa pup ako na sell kang al? Kai hugot man gud kaayo pagkasulti
kaila ka sa dam." Mao na iyang text... nabasa nako ganiha buntag na sad, ni reply ko niya ganiha udto past lunch time. I admit na i commented na mixed jud ang pup based on
sa nakita nako sa picture pero wala ko ni pinpoint ug dam owner and the dam. Ingon ko it could be of her friends and that Al, you need to talk to Noelle, she would listen.
This is the second time na ako iyang gi blame or pasanginlan nga ako maoy nag feed ni Al ug wrong informations nag wala ra ba jud ko nagbuhat. I just answered
what is being asked by me regarding the pup and my male sire truthfully nothing more. nag Pm ko ni Owig why na apil naman ko, nga mura man ug ako ra maoy ni comment sa
iyang pup nga before ko ni comment daghan naman daw niingon na mix jud even vets.. so even vets dili sad diay na sila makamao motan aw kung pure ba or mixed.
Ga txt nako si dark_rott this afternoon, nagpasangil in a way sa akong analysis, nagingon nga wala koy delikadeza kay ni saw saw daw ko sa ilang issue na wala ko labot.
unya ngano man akong shih tzu male pup ang gi hatag niya na pic as a sire ngadto ni Owig? Nga wala siya mag expect nga ingon ko ana ka tridor? nasakitan ko
nisamot pagkawala ako pagsalig ug naubos pag ayo ang ako pag tan aw ni dark_rott. traydor diay noon ng mosulti ko sa tinood na mix ang pup sa akong tan aw? wala na diay ta freedom mo answer ani kung pangayoan tag views sa lain? traydor daw nang mo defend ko sa akong male shih tzu na maoy gigamit na picture na gisend niya sa cellphone
ni Owig? Asa man karon ang walay delikadez namo and traydor? kamo nalang ang paghukom, i respeto nako inyo comments sa nakaila nako ug sa wala.

Pasensya na kung ni voice out ko diri at least ma hear ninyo ako side kay ako iya gipasumanginlan na ako nag feed up ni Owig.

@Owig: pasensya na kung ni tingog nako, i think it's a need na gyud. But I am not standing on one side, i will be fair. Kay gi apil naman jud ko ani na issue, ako tubagon tanan ug ako na atubangon si dark_rott kung naa siya time to talk with me, dili anang text text lang.

@ dark-rott: dili ako ang walay dilikadeza ug dili ako ang traydor... wala koy plano nga traydoron ka. Unya imong kung gipasakitan and this is not just the first time.
so watch out your mouth and mag estorya tag tarong. kahibalo ka kung kinsa ang walay delikadeza and traydor. I am willing to set and talk kay di ko nahan ug samok. Ayaw sige ug text without facing me labi na kung gabiing dako. Prangka prangka lang ta ayaw lang pasarig saring sa text kay it's so immature, nag look up pa man unta ko sa imo before pero karon imo na gyud ko gipalagot. Imo kung gihagit nga naghilom ra ko sa una, imo jud ko gipasinginlan nga ako maoy nagdaot nimo, sa una ra unta kung bout pa ko. Kung moingon japon ka na wala koy delikadeza ug traydor ko sa imo, pasensya na pero wala koy panahon karon. First time nako naka experience nga naa koy contra and sad to say ikaw pa diay for a wrongful accussation. Mura man ug ako ra imong cliyente. ilailahon nato atong kaugalingon before ta mamahid sa uban. Dili ko self righteous mo paubos ko kung ako ang sayop pero di sad ko anang tamakan na lang pud ako rights to comment. In fact transparent ko sa imo, I even sent you an email in reply to your text to me the first time imong ko gi accuse, then I shared to you my side how I felt. Ni advise pa ko nimo what to do and I thought sincere ka nag apologize sa ako for accusing me pero mas samot kung nag madudahon karon. Libog ko sa imong tinood na color. I am sorry pero sakit imong gibuhat silingan ra man unta ta.

@ Admin: Pasensya na sa taas na sulat that it might consumed more space on the forum, but I am just expressing my situation here.

@ ug sa tanan nga mobasa: Ayaw mo pasagad ug react kung mahimo. Kung nasayop ko sa ako judgement sa pup na ni ingon ko ni Owig na mixed gyud, willing ko mangayo ug pasaylo sa hingtungdan basta more than 75% mo ingon nga pure ang pup. Willing ko mo admit sa ako sayop coz I am not perfect even dili lang ako ang nag comment sa pup.

[cahmille]

ok ramana blueforrest. we understand your side.. and to you dark_rott ayaw pamasangil ug oban tao ..you have to face us ky dli lain tao ka naay tubagonun..sa amo.. so, sa amo contact..ayw ky cgi ka ug tx sa lain tao and sa amoa wala jud..lain tao imo patxon namo...tarong gud mi nakig negociate sa imoha but karon imo lang mi likawy2xyan? kung tinuod mana imo giingon na imoha to na male tzu na papa sa imo gipamaligya and pure jud na tzu imo gisale sa amoa..prove it....
and lately twag ka ni owig as what i've heard pero la lang mi jud pa nagtalk ky bz ko but cgi ka ingon nya na traydor?mao na imo ikasulti permi sa mga tao na involve ani? before ka mo buhi ug storya.. think 1st yourself if kinsay traydor jud ani...ayaw panghugas ky dli na macover kung onsa man ang tinuod.. dar_rott, kung naa paka number sa akoa maybe cgi na sad ko txan ug sa imo gipanghatag na ako number..but iwant you to know dli tika atrasan.try me ug storya mga in ana na word ky kaila ka nya sa akoa..sobra na kaau ka dah manulti mora na nuon kami ang naa atraso nimo? pagreflect knono usa ka magbuhi ug storya..basn nagtoo ka pariha mi ana uban na dli nalang motingog and imo lang sayon2x lahia ko...

sa mga admin.. i hope mo action namo because daghan na na damay..stil wala gihapon mo na convince and wala mo hold ani na porblem? na member gud nnyo ang naay problema.. i hope ma homan nani..as waht i've heard sa oban na inoy sad gi call... dli rani btween namo..naay nay daghan storyan na damay and ilaha sad na protection sa mga tao na namaligya ug dli tarong.. inyoha ni na site gibutangan so mayb naa jud mo gamay connection ani nahitabo...thanks

[chadix24_7]

mag sige lang mo reklamo dinhi? di ninyo adtu-on si dark_rott?

hahay baya ninyo...

ikaw dion, duol raman unta mog balay ni dark_rott, maypa mag confront mo kaysa sige mog reklamo diri.[br]Posted on: May 13, 2007, 03:02:19 PM_________________________________________________

The only thing I can suggest is that you consult a lawyer.

wa nay budget si owig pang lawyer, di man gani maka load sa iyang cellphone.

you two should sit down and talk. dark_rott has been selling dogs in this forum for a time now. surely, there is something between your transaction that was missed out.

naa ba papers ang dog?

mahadlok na sila makig-atubang ni dark_rott, reklamo ra ilang mabuhat.

[blueforrest]

Chadix, ngano ako man moadto sa ila? ako diay naa sala? wala ko ni reklamo nagpadayag ko sa ako gibati. Ngano di man si Noelle mo ari sa amo nga nakatoltol man siya sa mao kaysa iya ko textsan texsan chad? Naghuwat ra ko niya, wala na nako siya samoka ako iya gi samok. Ug di ko ganahan Chad, na moapil ka ani kay nakabalo ko na maayo ka based sa sulti ni Noelle. Siya man na ang isog kaayo manumangil uh sagad ug sulti, di siya paari sa balay namo ako siya atubangon ug taromng ug ako siya pahinumdoman sa uban na butang. nag email na ko ana niya sa ako side pero sama sa ako giingon, walay klaro!