USA's Gift to Iraq - a great read...

[iloveyou4ever]

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QUESTION: how sure are you?

Very Very Very much SURE!

[iloveyou4ever]

fwends,

my choice is to support the troops.
the government knows what is best.
my knowledge about the war in iraq is very limited.
so i dont really know what is best.

I agree. Let's SUPPORT U.S.! The terrorist have no space in the world including NPA's!

[jugs_06]

@springy: nice point you got there bro, and i respect that.. we really couldn't figure out which is right or which is not unless mao jud imo pagtuo and mu coincide sa imo mga beliefs.. hehehe mura mn sd ni sa kato pud "VIGILANTES" nga thread nga nag lalis ta about "CREDIBILITY".. hehe.. peace bro..

@ate gwyn: lagi oi sakto jud.. let's help Calai.. hehe faetz hasta dri..

@iloveyou4ever: ah ok...

[weedmeister2]

@ springfield: bro, even if riverbend is sitting pretty somewhere in the continental US in her $500k home (which i personally find to be farthest from the truth, as her stories can easily be checked out by members of the international press that are in baghdad), but it still doesnt change the fact that these atrocities arer happening in Baghdad bro...

Its a FACT that invading armies ALWAYS pillage, rape, murder, vandalise, etc...

And Baghdad Burning's stories coincide with news reports... Riverbend just relates it on a personal level, murag Anne Frank during the holocaust bai...



Here are some news stories (out of hundreds of sites...):

http://www.chris-floyd.com/isahaqi/ <--- 5 CHILDREN bound and shot in the head. WTF? as in, WTF? (Gwyn, i suggest you don't watch this powerpoint sis...)
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0601-25.htm
http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinio...10241546c.html
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle13563.htm
http://www.counterpunch.org/whitney06192006.html
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=6952
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG60KDD951.DTL


and a quote from one of the above news reports:


"The allegations sound like reports of war crimes committed by someone else's soldiers: men in black ski masks enter a house, where three of them take turns raping a 14-year-old girl. They then kill her, her parents, and her 5-year-old sister.

It is the kind of atrocity Americans associate with the Nazis, Serbian paramilitary commandos in Kosovo, perhaps Russian troops in Chechnya -- not U.S. soldiers.

"One doesn't expect the American troops to behave the same way, because there are notions that higher morals prevail in the U.S. armed forces," said Robert Rotberg, an expert on conflict and conflict resolution at Harvard University.

But as a military tribunal in Baghdad is deciding whether five American soldiers must stand trial in connection with the rape and murder of an Iraqi girl and the killing of her parents and sister in March, military experts and historians warn that it will become increasingly difficult for American troops fighting against an elusive enemy in Iraq to maintain military discipline under the intense pressures of war. Wartime atrocities, they say, occur in most wars and are committed by most, if not all, occupying troops -- even by such a high-tech, well-trained military as the United States'."



@ iloveyouforever: i wish you a comfortable night under the baghdad skies...

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ springfield: bro, even if riverbend is sitting pretty somewhere in the continental US in her $500k home (which i personally find to be farthest from the truth, as her stories can easily be checked out by members of the international press that are in baghdad), but it still doesnt change the fact that these atrocities arer happening in Baghdad bro...

Actually bai gi himo lang to nako na scenario na WHAT IF . No one else can attest anything other than the person who was really there to experience it firshand . Though she is an IRAQI , it is a given that she is there but in a war torn country ? Writes good in the English language much more in the cyber world ? Anne Frank did hers on a book handwritten that was preserved . Anybody is anyone in the internet . I am not questioning the ATROCITIES either thats why a couple of soldiers where charged for violating the geneva COnvention towards POW's .

Its a FACT that invading armies ALWAYS pillage, rape, murder, vandalise, etc...

True and VICE VERSA , mao bitaw gi tiguman nako ang Ak-47 and Dragunov sniper rifles kay mao nay gikahadlukan sa mga US troops . Kataw-an ra ang mga varmint rifles nila . We dont also know how our POW suffer from the brutality of the Iraqi's also .

And Baghdad Burning's stories coincide with news reports... Riverbend just relates it on a personal level, murag Anne Frank during the holocaust bai...

Just like LOOSE CHANGE bai .... because they need a source and shoulder to lean on . But noting is wrong with that because thats what US is trying to make Iraq right ? A democratic country .

Here are some news stories (out of hundreds of sites...):

Again , I will only treat it as a GOOD READ as for now and will not use it as a leverage for me to turn my back . The only remorse I have is why are we still there ? Saddam is out of the picture already .

US afaik even did it in peace time while in the Philippines . Its either daghan sila gi rape na gi husay lang in the name of DOLLARS or daghan gi palammi-an ug promises unya anakan mao daghan kaayo ta ug artistahon sa nasod na mga tisoy . But those are individual actions and not rom the government .

[weedmeister2]

point taken bai... :mrgreen:

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ WEED .... bilib pod ko nimo mo research ug links bai da ... hehehe ... ako tapulan lang kaayo ko . Actually bilib ko nimo kay maka present gyud ka , I can only present something from my own opinion and from a little experience firsthand . Naa man pod koy mga na accidentally stumbled upon na mga REBUTTALS pod like sa F 9/11 , Loose Change , WMD etc ... tapulan lang ko mo research balik pwede ikaw mo research para nako ? Hahahah .... anyways .... tnx for being here , honestly usa ka sa naghatag ug kinabuhi diri sa Politics and Current Events bisan naay uban tan-aw nila nimo kay negative ka n uban tan-aw pod positive kaau ka . Keep the discussion goin bro !!

[weedmeister2]

thanks bai... mao jud, bisag sa "book of birthdays", which is astrology based, ang title sa page nako is "the day of research"... murag mag sigi na lang gyud kog research my whole life bai... hehehe thanks for the kind words, although you'll never get me to research for the opposition... nyhehehehe

bitaw, thanks gyud bai, its people like you, along with Gwyn, Tolstoi, Zerone, etc that really gives this forum the "spice" and multiple dimensions that it has... I'm challenged to really dig deep when the minds around me are able to digest the information presented, and not just chuck it out the window as trash...

wow, enough na kay muhilak na ta diri.... huhuhu si tolz hilum na kay nag sigi nag paak sa pillow para dili madunggan ang iyang crying... heheheh

US based gyud ka bai? inig uli nimo, drinking session ta diri ha... :mrgreen:

[tolstoi]

^^apila pud tawn ug mention ang mga PRO OPPOSITION mainstay bai..like..*@#^&^@

btw..there is also sumthing fishy going on in Israel-Hezbollah war..we all know that USA is the biggest supplier of arms in the world and Israel is one of its strong allies-cum-customer..i can't imagine the profit that uncle sam earned for every bombed/ammunization fired to the hezbolahs...indeed WAR IS A VERY GOOD BUSINESS =)

[weedmeister2]

shamann tolz and springy, suod ta sa weapons business? model kuno nato si gwyn...