To include churches for income tax

[grovestreet]

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tax em.

kk

[eax]

Religion is the successful business enterprise.

[ed168III]

i thnk exempted sla for real estate tax only, the rest taxan, they deserve exemption because they r also helping d govt

[lordraven]

mga bro in opinion ok lng man tingali e tax ni sila ky anyway...as an information lang pud every diocese give tax to vatican in support sa Holy Seat did2..tanan nga Catholic give alms sa Pope.. nya diri hinoun sa atoa wala except for naa lng sila paliton pero murag dili justifiable ang reason,, ky it seems to appear nga sila ghapon ga dala sa government ky exempted man sila...binuang ni bisan gmay lng dili mag tax...intawun sad oi..

[boylaang]

tax jud ni sila ky hasta ka mahal ug bayad ani (bunyag kasal pamesa lubong) mangadato pa jud ang mga pari basin tingale sa dapit ni mannyamador libre ra sa una kausa ra gani ilibod ang sibot karon kaduha naman ug magparenovate sa simbahan mangayo dayon ug mga donation

[rob123]

tax jud ni sila ky hasta ka mahal ug bayad ani (bunyag kasal pamesa lubong) mangadato pa jud ang mga pari basin tingale sa dapit ni mannyamador libre ra sa una kausa ra gani ilibod ang sibot karon kaduha naman ug magparenovate sa simbahan mangayo dayon ug mga donation

boylaang...wa na jud ko eka sumpay , kompleto rekado jud emo g sulti....

[cottonmouth]

[QUOTE=mannyamador;3468970]
Only if the group has 501(c)(3) tax exempt status. Otherwise, they can speak out directly against a candidate.

- The IRS policy is the very idea I like to be imposed in the Philippines. That will mean that if a certain religious organization wants to have a say in the political arena, then they should pay their due accordingly. That is very fair for me. They cannot ask a share of my tax money when their political views are not actually alligned to mine while enjoying free board and lodging at my expense. Let me instill in your little mine @manny that all the expenses that the government of the Philippines incurred (including the corruption you behemently insist) to support directly or indirectly to any religious orgaization will be shared by the paying people which do not necessarily share their views. Between you and me, I will assumed that we both pay our taxes. Thus, I will not stop you from saying anything good our bad against the government because you paid your due. That is your ticket for your right to express...although not necessary. Bottom line is, everyone and every organization within the state should pay their part. It is only a privilege from the STATE that certain groups will be exempted from taxes. But the action will mean that the state will have to get from other sources to cover-up the loses it incurred due to that tax exemptions. In every action there is always an equal opposite reaction.

Back to the Philippines: Your tax money is STOLEN by the government. It is the CHURCH's money that has to make up for that thievery since the Church has to make up for the woeful lack of government services. The water used by the firemen (or whatever else one can imagine) is NOTHING compared to the money the Church and other religious communities put into serving the people (in effect doing this corrupt government's job!).

Serving the people? That's preposterous! The realilty always mean that these religious group only helps people that are within their group. If you really want to see your money's worth, you should put your bet to RED CROSS or DSWD. When there was a big fire in Mandaue, I didn't see religious groups there. Instead they only help their members who were victims and for those others they were left to the mercy of the DSWD and Red Cross. Does your beloved catholic church help those Badiaos roaming around their majestic cathedrals? NO. Maybe because they are Muslims and do not benefit the RC? It is the DSWD who tried their best to help them. I would expect you to say DSWD is corrupt...that is already taken.


Maybe we should have a silent TAX REVOLT against this rotten government and give money to the religious institutions that make better use of it. That's a better idea than taking money from religious organizations and giving it to the thieves in the government.

Oh really! Like using the tax money by building chapels and pilgrimages inside government buildings. A great shining example is the MACTAN Airport. A catholic chapel and statues were built inside this government building. Where do you think that money came from? The catholic church is earning money from these chapels inside the government building for free. They used the electricity and services of this building for free. SHOULD THEY NOT PAY IN RETURN? A tax is only a percentage of their income, say 15%? And who benefited from their privilege? Not the Christians, not the aetheists, not the Budhist and certainly not the Muslims. That is just one of a bitter example of the hypocrisy. This government instutions are own by the people of the Philippines. That means no particular group should benefit from those instutions at the expense of the others. Do not take my argument as jealousy even though I have all the reasons to be. If you advocate fairness, tell your beloved catholic church to start from themselves.


You obviously don't know what Separation of Church and State means. It does NOT mean the Church should be apolitical. It means the government should not exercise any control over religion and that's all. A more detailed analysis is here: Misunderstanding Separation of Church and State PHNix Network Advocate

Even the great scholars cannot settle down the argument about separation of the church and the state although I could argue with you 'till twilight; it is futile. HOWEVER , that is not the subject in question here. The subject that is implied is IS IT FAIR TO TAX THE CHURCH? (or religous groups for that matter). Do not hide from this very vague condition of the constitution just to escape your responsibility to the Republic of the Philippines. Well, I do not mean you (individually) will escape from your responsibility. But I hope you are not somebody part or making your living from these religious organisation otherwise, there are no reasons enough to change your mind because that is your food on the table at stake.

[mannyamador]

The IRS policy is the very idea I like to be imposed in the Philippines. [COLOR="blue"]That will mean that if a certain religious organization wants to have a say in the political arena, then they should pay their due accordingly.

Don't forget the other important part of IRS policy: all religious institutions are ALREADY EXEMPT. 501(c)(3) tax exempt status is VOLUNTARY and UNNECESSARY for religious institutions.

Serving the people? That's preposterous! The reality always mean that these religious group only helps people that are within their group.

Spare us your prejudice. Catholic-run hospitals provide services to all, regardless of religion.n Same with orphanages, human rights monitors, counselling centers, feeding centers, etc. Catholic churches are even used to house Muslim and non-Catholic refugees. Cardinal Vidal in Cebu is very much loved by Muslims because he treats them as if they were his own co-religionists. The Church has brought great benefits to non-Catholics -- paid for by Catholics! I should know. I have seen my own money and effort help persons without any regard whatsoever as to what their religion may have been.

They used the electricity and services of this building for free. SHOULD THEY NOT PAY IN RETURN? A tax is only a percentage of their income, say 15%? And who benefited from their privilege?

That's a laughable pittance compared to the services the Catholic Church does FOR the government (or rather to MAKE UP for this corrupt government's INADEQUACY). This is ridiculous. The government SHOULD PAY BACK THE CHURCH!

IS IT FAIR TO TAX THE CHURCH?

Of course not.. Even simple math will show that the government should be paying the Church for all that it does. But the Church cannot tax the government. How fair is that?

Try taking away the medical services of the Church and this country's health services will collapse. Take away catholic schools and the educational system will collapse. I know you are blind to these realities because of your prejudice, but it's about time you disabuse yourself of that and wake up.

More important, the Constitution mandates separation so that religion will remain independent and ready to counter an oppressive and corrupt government. Not everyone is an unthinking pro-GMA lapdog and or nutty Marcos loyalist, you know.

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[cottonmouth]

[QUOTE=mannyamador;3473796]

Spare us your prejudice. Catholic-run hospitals provide services to all, regardless of religion.n Same with orphanages, human rights monitors, counselling centers, feeding centers, etc. Catholic churches are even used to house Muslim and non-Catholic refugees. Cardinal Vidal in Cebu is very much loved by Muslims because he treats them as if they were his own co-religionists. The Church has brought great benefits to non-Catholics -- paid for by Catholics! I should know. I have seen my own money and effort help persons without any regard whatsoever as to what their religion may have been.


Oh really! hahahaha...I could only wish your were not too blinded by your religious group. This is the very reason that whe we talk about making laws of the land, we need people who can think away from the religious clout.



That's a laughable pittance compared to the services the Catholic Church does FOR the government (or rather to MAKE UP for this corrupt government's INADEQUACY). This is ridiculous. The government SHOULD PAY BACK THE CHURCH!

If you were laughing at what I said, I am already almost catching my breath on your ridiculous comment. Where on earth you came from? It is your catholic church who depended upon the government not the other way around...wake up Damaso.


Of course not.. Even simple math will show that the government should be paying the Church for all that it does. But the Church cannot tax the government. How fair is that?

How is that? Simple, the government is the state, an embodiement of people both religious and non-religious. We are no longer in the medieval times when your catholic church rule the land with..oh I remember! greed and corruption too. The modern government (we) own the land and that means we share maintaining it...nobody should be in free board and lodging. Is that simple enough for you?

Try taking away the medical services of the Church and this country's health services will collapse. Take away catholic schools and the educational system will collapse. I know you are blind to these realities because of your prejudice, but it's about time you disabuse yourself of that and wake up.

OH! You must be dreaming! If you take away Perpetual Succor, Cebu City will not collapse. There is CDC and ChungHua who will be happy if they are gone. If you take away USC, will fine it is not the only school in Cebu, remember? Oh men where too OT here...but my pleasure to give you back your own dosage.

More important, the Constitution mandates separation so that religion will remain independent and ready to counter an oppressive and corrupt government. Not everyone is an unthinking pro-GMA lapdog and or nutty Marcos loyalist, you know.

hahaha! I told you that "the separation" is not the subject matter here. Do not hide behind the cloak where even the best scholars have not agreed on this matter. The point is...YOU BUILD, YOU PAY.

[cottonmouth]

By the way to my dear friend @manny. May I remind you that the number one owner of land in the Philippines is your catholic church. The forefront group who always condemed the other land owners to share theirs while they themselves won't. The very group that condems the government that there are many people who do not have land to build their houses. While they themselves are living in there majestic cathedrals over a large swath of property. How ironic can it be?