Is Death the End?

[regnauld]

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@ krushuddel

i believe that Christ died and rose up again in the third day according to history, and that is a fact.

I can understand why you "believe" everything in the bible is fact. That's your opinion. Seriously, did he really came back? If he did, where is he now? Heavens? hehehe... I don't think that is a fact.

Hundreds and thousands of people already died and came back to life. Study CLINICAL DEATH EXPERIENCE for your info.

[regnauld]

Pavlov: Do you have any evidence that heaven really exists?
Dovid: Rabbi Yitchak Chalamish brings various testimonies of people who were clinically dead and then were later saved to show that Heaven really does exist.
Here are some translated excerpts from his book,Ha-Chaim She-l’achar Hamavet
Researchers have identified some basic points that come up repeatedly in most of the testimonies of those that were clinically dead and then revived.

1. There is a sense of very rapid transit within a long and dark tunnel.
2. The person suddenly realizes that he is located outside his physical body, yet he is still in the same physical environment. His body is seen from a certain distance, and he looks at it.
3. He sees everything that transpires in connection with his body and the attempts being made to restore it to life.
4. After a while he begins to grow accustomed to his new situation; he realizes that while he does have a “body”, it is a new body very different in its nature and its characteristics from the physical body he had during his lifetime.
5. At that very same time additional things are taking place: the deceased sees that the spirits of his father and mother and closest relatives, as well as his already deceased friends, coming to meet him, to accompany him in his new situation – and to assist him.
6. The deceased person senses that he is encountering an “entity-reality” of light, a wonderful light beaming tremendous love, good warmth, of a kind he has never encountered before.
7. This “entity” asks him various questions in a non-verbal manner in order to bring him to review the story of his life and the deeds he did while he was alive, and while the deceased reviews his deeds, there passes before his eyes a “panorama” that reconstructs before him all the major, important events of his life.
8. At a certain stage the deceased feels that he is drawing near to something like an end, a border, a boundary, which seems to represent the borderline between earthly life and the life thereafter. But here it becomes clear to the deceased that he has to return to the world of the living – this world, for the hour of his death has not yet arrived.
9. When he discovers this, he objects and does not want to go back, for he is attracted to the situation in which he has found himself – in this new and wonderful reality of life after death, and he has no desire to return to his former situation.
10. Yet, despite his reluctance, he returns and is joined once again to his physical body, and he returns to This World.

It is very important to remember, these studies say, that this description of testimony is not the testimony of a single person restored to life, but rather a comprehensive and inclusive representation of very many testimonies of “people restored to life”. [Ha-Chaim She-l’achar Hamavet, pp. 13-14]

[handsoff241]

Hundreds and thousands of people already died and came back to life. Study CLINICAL DEATH EXPERIENCE for your info.

clinically dead is TOTALLY different from the way Jesus died.

[regnauld]

clinically dead is TOTALLY different from the way Jesus died.

I know but DEATH is DEATH and LIFE is LIFE!

The issue here is not the way or the means but the end when nobody goes back again to live and tell us that "There is no life after death" according to some misinformed people here.

[handsoff241]

Pavlov: Do you have any evidence that heaven really exists?
Dovid: Rabbi Yitchak Chalamish brings various testimonies of people who were clinically dead and then were later saved to show that Heaven really does exist.
Here are some translated excerpts from his book,Ha-Chaim She-l’achar Hamavet
Researchers have identified some basic points that come up repeatedly in most of the testimonies of those that were clinically dead and then revived.

1. There is a sense of very rapid transit within a long and dark tunnel.
2. The person suddenly realizes that he is located outside his physical body, yet he is still in the same physical environment. His body is seen from a certain distance, and he looks at it.
3. He sees everything that transpires in connection with his body and the attempts being made to restore it to life.
4. After a while he begins to grow accustomed to his new situation; he realizes that while he does have a “body”, it is a new body very different in its nature and its characteristics from the physical body he had during his lifetime.
5. At that very same time additional things are taking place: the deceased sees that the spirits of his father and mother and closest relatives, as well as his already deceased friends, coming to meet him, to accompany him in his new situation – and to assist him.
6. The deceased person senses that he is encountering an “entity-reality” of light, a wonderful light beaming tremendous love, good warmth, of a kind he has never encountered before.
7. This “entity” asks him various questions in a non-verbal manner in order to bring him to review the story of his life and the deeds he did while he was alive, and while the deceased reviews his deeds, there passes before his eyes a “panorama” that reconstructs before him all the major, important events of his life.
8. At a certain stage the deceased feels that he is drawing near to something like an end, a border, a boundary, which seems to represent the borderline between earthly life and the life thereafter. But here it becomes clear to the deceased that he has to return to the world of the living – this world, for the hour of his death has not yet arrived.
9. When he discovers this, he objects and does not want to go back, for he is attracted to the situation in which he has found himself – in this new and wonderful reality of life after death, and he has no desire to return to his former situation.
10. Yet, despite his reluctance, he returns and is joined once again to his physical body, and he returns to This World.

It is very important to remember, these studies say, that this description of testimony is not the testimony of a single person restored to life, but rather a comprehensive and inclusive representation of very many testimonies of “people restored to life”. [Ha-Chaim She-l’achar Hamavet, pp. 13-14]

me and my scar in my forehead can attest to number 2; i told many people that i saw my body nga gilingkuran ni nag berdan gipug-an ug daghang kamunggay ang akong ulo; wala may mitoud, bahala sila' all i know is it was true. the nail broke my skull... and im alive

[regnauld]

me and my scar in my forehead can attest to number 2; i told many people that i saw my body nga gilingkuran ni nag berdan gipug-an ug daghang kamunggay ang akong ulo; wala may mitoud, bahala sila' all i know is it was true. the nail broke my skull... and im alive

I know and believe bro that your experience is true. You have experienced OBE or Out of Body Experience !

[J. M.]

birth is the beginning of death, death is the beginning of birth

This is a very good statement! Everything is just a cycle. The 'death' you are referring to is just the death of our physical body. Nothing really dies. It is just TRANSITION.

There are people who have the capability of leaving their bodies. This skill is called Astral Projection. There is nothing supernatural with this skill. All people can do this with the right training. So with these fact alone, we can conclude that nothing really dies. There is only transition. After the death of the body, the soul will just go to another dimension or the place called Astral Sphere. Then it will go back again to the Physical World using another physical vehicle which is the human body. In short, reincarnation. hahaha

[handsoff241]

I know and believe bro that your experience is true. You have experienced OBE or Out of Body Experience !

sir i literally BUMPED into the roof, because i was floating away from my body but facing it. i was going upward.

[miyay]

bitaw, if you've ever experienced OBE, you wouldn't question the existence of the soul and that death is just another phase in life

@handsoff241 = unsa imo feeling katong nibalik ka sa imo lawas, mura sad ka gisuyop then kusog kaayo imo heartbeats? lingaw maglutaw no? you see your body but did you see your face? i've always wondered why at that point when i try to look at my face, balik dayon ko sa ako body...hmmmm

[handsoff241]

bitaw, if you've ever experienced OBE, you wouldn't question the existence of the soul and that death is just another phase in life

@handsoff241 = unsa imo feeling katong nibalik ka sa imo lawas, mura sad ka gisuyop then kusog kaayo imo heartbeats? lingaw maglutaw no? you see your body but did you see your face? i've always wondered why at that point when i try to look at my face, balik dayon ko sa ako body...hmmmm

i can;t remember how it felt when i come back, all i remember was bumping on the nipa roof, and then i close my eyes cause i feel tired.. the rest is blackout.
i was 4 years old back then.