Sola Scriptura

[Malic]

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I see, hehe.


But I think that one should consider sola scriptura even if its not written in the book specifically,what do you think guys?

[vanjhnn]

I see, hehe.


But I think that one should consider sola scriptura even if its not written in the book specifically,what do you think guys?

I think the scriptures is useful but not really the only basis of our faith, we still do have to consider traditions. The fact that we are not perfect enough to interpret the bible completely, we cannot say it is the sole basis for our faith. That is why the magisterium is there. They guide us.

Look at people who insist on Sola Scriptura, they are divided with thousands of denominations. If from the very beginning, Sola Scriptura were the true doctrine, they would have been united.

[necrotic freak]

Did Jesus Christ established a Bible? Or a Church?

[bcasabee]

Bro Malic, bro vanjhnn is right about the magisterium. If we make the Bible as the final authority without external human authority, divisions will occurs. Its like the Bible is giving a picture of a color which seems red or orange, and then two ordinary people will come and argue that its red and the other one orange. If no external authority will intervene, the conflict won't be resolved because the two will strongly believe that base on the picture painted in the Bible, its red for the other guy, and orange for the other. And those two will keep on looking for verses in the Bible for eternity to give additional support for what they saw. Now enter the magistrate, all he has to say is give the final decision. If he says red, then its red, if he says orange then its orange, if he says red-orange then its red-orange and his decision is final.
Just in case if you are curios enough. Try to research how many christian churches advocate Sola Scriptura and how many doesn't. All I know, there is only one church that doesn't advocate Sola Scriptura and that is the Catholic Church. For the Sola Scriptura, too many to mention because of division.

I see, hehe.


But I think that one should consider sola scriptura even if its not written in the book specifically,what do you think guys?

[necrotic freak]

thats why theres a number of councils happining in the early centuries to resolve the differences..

kung wala na. iyahay nalang ug boot2x sama ani nila..

[vanjhnn]

Bro Malic, bro vanjhnn is right about the magisterium. If we make the Bible as the final authority without external human authority, divisions will occurs. Its like the Bible is giving a picture of a color which seems red or orange, and then two ordinary people will come and argue that its red and the other one orange. If no external authority will intervene, the conflict won't be resolved because the two will strongly believe that base on the picture painted in the Bible, its red for the other guy, and orange for the other. And those two will keep on looking for verses in the Bible for eternity to give additional support for what they saw. Now enter the magistrate, all he has to say is give the final decision. If he says red, then its red, if he says orange then its orange, if he says red-orange then its red-orange and his decision is final.
Just in case if you are curios enough. Try to research how many christian churches advocate Sola Scriptura and how many doesn't. All I know, there is only one church that doesn't advocate Sola Scriptura and that is the Catholic Church. For the Sola Scriptura, too many to mention because of division.

Thank your for your support bacasabee

[Malic]

I think the scriptures is useful but not really the only basis of our faith, we still do have to consider traditions. The fact that we are not perfect enough to interpret the bible completely, we cannot say it is the sole basis for our faith. That is why the magisterium is there. They guide us.

Look at people who insist on Sola Scriptura, they are divided with thousands of denominations. If from the very beginning, Sola Scriptura were the true doctrine, they would have been united.

i see


But what if those traditions contradict the written laws(bible)?

[Malic]

Bro Malic, bro vanjhnn is right about the magisterium. If we make the Bible as the final authority without external human authority, divisions will occurs. Its like the Bible is giving a picture of a color which seems red or orange, and then two ordinary people will come and argue that its red and the other one orange. If no external authority will intervene, the conflict won't be resolved because the two will strongly believe that base on the picture painted in the Bible, its red for the other guy, and orange for the other. And those two will keep on looking for verses in the Bible for eternity to give additional support for what they saw. Now enter the magistrate, all he has to say is give the final decision. If he says red, then its red, if he says orange then its orange, if he says red-orange then its red-orange and his decision is final.
Just in case if you are curios enough. Try to research how many christian churches advocate Sola Scriptura and how many doesn't. All I know, there is only one church that doesn't advocate Sola Scriptura and that is the Catholic Church. For the Sola Scriptura, too many to mention because of division.

External Human authority like the magisterium? In islam we also have something like that, they are the scholars of our faith. But if there are traditions and laws being passed by these scholars that totally contradicts the Qur'an and the Hadith, The whole community of islam is obligated to reject them as long as the act is supported by other scholars.

what bothers me is since you said that the bible is not the final authority thne who or what is? Does tradition places more importance than the written laws o the prophets? Does the majesterium more powerful than the words o the prophets of God?

for example,here is a tradition that is totally rejected by the bible...IMAGE worship. Its not red or orange, anyone who can read can easily pinpoint the meaning of the particular verse, it really says, you are not allowed to make those things as an object of devotion.


In my opinion it contradicts to what the bible said, but tradition allows it so w/c one should catholics follow?

[vanjhnn]

External Human authority like the magisterium? In islam we also have something like that, they are the scholars of our faith. But if there are traditions and laws being passed by these scholars that totally contradicts the Qur'an and the Hadith, The whole community of islam is obligated to reject them as long as the act is supported by other scholars.

what bothers me is since you said that the bible is not the final authority thne who or what is? Does tradition places more importance than the written laws o the prophets? Does the majesterium more powerful than the words o the prophets of God?

for example,here is a tradition that is totally rejected by the bible...IMAGE worship. Its not red or orange, anyone who can read can easily pinpoint the meaning of the particular verse, it really says, you are not allowed to make those things as an object of devotion.


In my opinion it contradicts to what the bible said, but tradition allows it so w/c one should catholics follow?

That is where most anti-catholics are so assuming. The catholics do not worship images. We only venerate them the way we venerate precious objects to us. The word worship is a very strong word. Traditions of the Catholics are not unbiblical.

[bcasabee]

We have our own scholars but they don't give the final words of wisdom. Our clergy themselves is highly educated and scholastic including our Pope

External Human authority like the magisterium? In islam we also have something like that, they are the scholars of our faith. But if there are traditions and laws being passed by these scholars that totally contradicts the Qur'an and the Hadith, The whole community of islam is obligated to reject them as long as the act is supported by other scholars.

The Pope has the final authority for us Catholics. He is infallable in matters of faith.

what bothers me is since you said that the bible is not the final authority thne who or what is? Does tradition places more importance than the written laws o the prophets? Does the majesterium more powerful than the words o the prophets of God?

For Catholics, there is no such tradition as image worship, there is only image veneration. So I can't comment further about it.

for example,here is a tradition that is totally rejected by the bible...IMAGE worship. Its not red or orange, anyone who can read can easily pinpoint the meaning of the particular verse, it really says, you are not allowed to make those things as an object of devotion.