Veco, other firms need to explain systems losses

[giddyboy]

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Karon pa diay ka nakabalo ani bro?Nagtuo diay ka nga Meralco lang ang magpatung sa system loss nila?Tan-awa gud ang imong bill sa kuryente kung pila ang gipatong sa VECo nimo or sa MECO ug uban pang lain power provider dha.Question lang nganong karon pa?

why now?

i think it was when Meralco is planning to increase their power rates again. THIS ISSUE IS MOSTLY ABOUT THE EPIRA LAW. the joint commission is trying to find out why electricity rates remain high despite the passage of the Electric Power Industry Reform Act of 2001 (Epira). Simply put, this is not all about Meralco but the entire electricity industry in the Phils. including Napocor and the IPP's.

and of course, ma-highlight gyud ang Meralco ani kay mao man ni ang pinakadakong electricity distributor sa Phils...

“We want to know why we have not achieved the sole [purpose] of the EPIRA law passed seven years ago to lower electricity rates in the Philippines… so that we can propose legislations or amendments to the existing laws and we can even avail of other remedies made available,� Miriam said in her opening statement.

also, any request for price changes muagi gyud na sa ERC. Tanaw cguro sa ERC it is not justifiable coz starting man gani Jan up to Mar this yr, Napocor has given them discounts. mao murag nagduda cla...

anyways, i can also surmise that GSIS, being a big stakeholder in Meralco has seen also their management inefficiencies for that matter. Sus pre, kung ga binuang ni ang Meralco, apektado gyud ang GSIS, unya apektado pud tanang myembro ug pensioners ani...pagkadakong responsibilidad gyud kung buot natong huna hunaon...

Please also note that Meralco is listed sa atoang Phil. Stock Exchange...

kung ga binisaya pa ni c Winston, iyang masulti cguro sa Meralco ani is:" PAG CHURE MO OI!!!"

and maybe somebody would ask, why Sen. Miriam ang ga yaw2x? Well, FYI, she is the head of the joint congressional power commission (PowerCom)...

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The commission, Santiago said, will tackle eight topics. These are:

§ Allegation that MERALCO is buying from Wholesale Electricity Spot Market (WESM) only during peak season to manipulate the prices of electricity and also the documents to make it appear that independent power producers (IPPs) prices are lower than NAPOCOR and WESM prices;

§ Passing on to customers the unpaid debts of NAPOCOR;

§ Luzon rates are higher than the Visayas and Mindanao because of certain MERALCO management decisions;

§ MERALCO passes on to its customers the systems losses;

§ Allegation that the NAPOCOR time-of-use rates are very high;

§ Allegation that NAPOCOR gives preferential and discounted rates to customers in economic zones pursuant to the orders of President Arroyo but charges the cost of this discount to other customers;

§ Allegation that NAPOCOR revenue requirements in its rate are too high. Is NAPOCOR passing on to customers not only the avoided costs but the actual IPP cost?;

§ Allegation that NAPOCOR are making unconscionable fuel purchases.

[johnny22aa]

Karon pa diay ka nakabalo ani bro?Nagtuo diay ka nga Meralco lang ang magpatung sa system loss nila?Tan-awa gud ang imong bill sa kuryente kung pila ang gipatong sa VECo nimo or sa MECO ug uban pang lain power provider dha.Question lang nganong karon pa?

u ask nganong karon pa? its better NOW than never. im sorry bro i dont even bother to look at all the bills we got at home and i dont care about those very detailed itemized charges. coz what i know d other power distributors (VECO, MECO, CEBECO or anything other than MERALCO) has legitimate system loss charges, like fluctuation sa dollar or kanang mga situation nga naay cost but its really unavoidable to cope up. as a company of a basic utility, by law, they are bound to charge us. but not way to high as what meralco did. just imagine, they are charging d 2nd most expensive electricity in Asia next only to Japan. remember ka2ng they were ordered to refund all subscribers and each average subscriber got at least 20k for years of overcharging. but did those overcharging stopped? wa jud. namawi pa nuon cla sa ilang girefund ug gipun an pa jud ang mga nalogi sa 2 Lopez companies in the guise of so-called "system loss charges". of course, the gov't cant do this during erap's time. and to think erap's popularity was still at it's peak even during his "resthouse arrest", gov't would have a hard time convincing to the public to work on this. and after PGMA accusers and nemesis (like the FG issue, hello garci, lozada) are now fading away, now it's the best time to do this. nagmahay ka nganong gilihok ni nila? nagmahay ka sa imong gibayad sa kurente ron ky gamay ra? u can suggest veco to charge u twice. let MC ug cable charge u thrice also kung kuwang ra na.

reklamo paka nga nagtrabaho na na cla.

[goryo13]

kung di ni pamolitika they should go after PLDT, Globe (and especially Globe nga sigeg pangolektag bill sa internet bisan walay connection!), Veco and other power distribution firm, MCWD, etc... heck, those people behind Petron are also living a luxurious life and its partly owned by Govt, right? i bet they are also billing us some hidden charges somewhere and we don't even know it yet

[giddyboy]

kung di ni pamolitika they should go after PLDT, Globe (and especially Globe nga sigeg pangolektag bill sa internet bisan walay connection!), Veco and other power distribution firm, MCWD, etc... heck, those people behind Petron are also living a luxurious life and its partly owned by Govt, right? i bet they are also billing us some hidden charges somewhere and we don't even know it yet

any endeavor pre, naa gyud nay politika. Be it private (politics w/in family members & family businesses, civic clubs, and even ur neighbors), corporate (internal office politics), or public service. Bsan church ug ang media naay politika...

Politics is a way of life. ug dpende ra na kung negative politics ba, neutral or positive.

now, bsag unsa nga klase sa politics involved aning isyuha basta ang pinaka importante lang para sa kaayohan ni sa katawhan...

and what is there to go after PLDT, Globe, MCWD, and Veco? does it need to reach the Legislative branch (or even Malacanang), or, it just needs a simple phone call to their Customer and Tech Services?

bad connection sa PLDT? questions on billing? call their hotline.
bad connection sa Globe? questions on billing? call their hotline. or kung dili gyud mada, complain to the NTC.
no water service sa MCWD? complain to their Customer service.
problema sa kuryente? visit their SM Veco office pre. aircon pa ug daghan gwapa nga staff did2...hehe

[goryo13]

^ meaning to say, mulabay rani just like any other issues and then malimtan nalang kay generally speaking, as you've said, tanan naay sagol pamolitika.. i'm sorry pre but i just don't buy this whole hearing thingy cos essentially, all this do is for "legislation" kuno but there's no iota of sincerity on the part of the government to really uplift the lives of the people...

lemme quote bobit...

Meralco passing its systems losses to consumers is an age-old practice. So that’s not really big news. What is news to me is that consumers are also paying Expanded Value Added Taxes (EVAT) on those systems losses. Now this is something new and abhorrent because there really is no value added in those systems losses. So why should the government earn any revenue or “profit� from this loss? This is truly an eye-opener. The big question is whether the Energy Regulatory Board (ERB) approved this.

as usual, the government earned from the darn system loss thanks to EVAT... mao nay gi ingon, sigeg panulisok grabe manapi utro pud diayng tong naka sapi... boink!

i bet ERB approved this!

[johnny22aa]

kung di ni pamolitika they should go after PLDT, Globe (and especially Globe nga sigeg pangolektag bill sa internet bisan walay connection!), Veco and other power distribution firm, MCWD, etc... heck, those people behind Petron are also living a luxurious life and its partly owned by Govt, right? i bet they are also billing us some hidden charges somewhere and we don't even know it yet

bro, this is a billing issue. i can connect u to customer service. they would be more than happy to assist you, not the courts.

[giddyboy]

^ meaning to say, mulabay rani just like any other issues and then malimtan nalang kay generally speaking, as you've said, tanan naay sagol pamolitika.. i'm sorry pre but i just don't buy this whole hearing thingy cos essentially, all this do is for "legislation" kuno but there's no iota of sincerity on the part of the government to really uplift the lives of the people...

lemme quote bobit...

Meralco passing its systems losses to consumers is an age-old practice. So that’s not really big news. What is news to me is that consumers are also paying Expanded Value Added Taxes (EVAT) on those systems losses. Now this is something new and abhorrent because there really is no value added in those systems losses. So why should the government earn any revenue or “profit� from this loss? This is truly an eye-opener. The big question is whether the Energy Regulatory Board (ERB) approved this.

as usual, the government earned from the darn system loss thanks to EVAT... mao nay gi ingon, sigeg panulisok grabe manapi utro pud diayng tong naka sapi... boink!

i bet ERB approved this!

don't bank ur opinion only from Bobit. bank ur opinion instead more from the joint commission. this is not only about "systems loss & its evat"...but even so, apil ghapon na. it's not about the existence of systems loss charges, BUT HOW Meralco arrived at their computation of systems loss charges.

akong balikon ha. there are 8 points:

§ Allegation that MERALCO is buying from Wholesale Electricity Spot Market (WESM) only during peak season to manipulate the prices of electricity and also the documents to make it appear that independent power producers (IPPs) prices are lower than NAPOCOR and WESM prices;

§ Passing on to customers the unpaid debts of NAPOCOR;

§ Luzon rates are higher than the Visayas and Mindanao because of certain MERALCO management decisions;

§ MERALCO passes on to its customers the systems losses;

§ Allegation that the NAPOCOR time-of-use rates are very high;

§ Allegation that NAPOCOR gives preferential and discounted rates to customers in economic zones pursuant to the orders of President Arroyo but charges the cost of this discount to other customers;

§ Allegation that NAPOCOR revenue requirements in its rate are too high. Is NAPOCOR passing on to customers not only the avoided costs but the actual IPP cost?;

§ Allegation that NAPOCOR are making unconscionable fuel purchases

[ong76win2]

of tsurs. Mangita man na Malacnang ug escape goat sa ila kapalpakan. Birahan dayun Meralco in the hope nga hero sila sa mga tawo. Hibawo gud sila mahal ang napocor generation og transco transmission i highlight gyud ang Meralco.

Ilara ta tits. Klaro na inyo mga steps. Di na mokagat ang tawo ana. Except taga Cebu for sure. Loyual man na sila ni GMA bisan unsa ka sayup.

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[goryo13]

at least, someone from the senate had the balls to take up cudgels for the masa on this system loss BS charging

At the Senate, opposition Sen. Loren Legarda has filed Senate Bill 2289 seeking to stop Meralco and other power utilities from passing on losses arising from pilferage or inefficient performance to consumers.

Legarda said the bill would end "the absurdity of innocent consumers being made to pay for the criminal activities of some consumers and inefficiencies of the utilities."

[goryo13]

news lift from TF's editorial:

No less than Meralco president Jesus Francisco admitted in a congressional hearing last Monday that the company was passing on to its consumers some P500 million a year of its own corporate electrical consumption as part of its systems losses.

What an unconscionable practice this is. How immoral and unethical. Consumers, many of them agonizing under some of the highest electricity rates in Asia, are in effect subsidizing the in-house power consumption of the very company that slaps them these burdensome rates.

So, you can just imagine having to scrimp on other necessities just so you can pay your electricity bills while the company and its employees you pay them to are enjoying their perks at your expense.

.... Then try to imagine the employees of Meralco, the same people who will promptly cut off your electrical connection if you cannot pay, enjoying the airconditioned comforts of their offices, and then know to your horror that you are actually the one paying for their aircon.

the last paragraph pretty much also applies to us here in Cebu.... wherein employees enjoy free electricity as in way limit while others had to scrimp to reduce consumption para gamay rag mabayran.. diay to kitay nagbayad sa ilang konsumo... waaaahhhh!!!