Everything about : RH Bill ( Reproductive Health Bill)

[cebu-future]

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Let us do the math nalang hehe, if you are married with no kids, ug you go home with a cake, e divide lang into two. Wow, dagko mo ug share hehe. Then manganak imo misis ug 1, so ang cake e divide ninyo into 3 and so on and so forth.

Kini ra bang church, way paki alam ni hehehe. Remember, wala nay free karon sa church. Magwali naa bayad, mamatay ta, mahal bayad sa church, magpakasal, magbunyag etc etc hehehe.

Kini nga mga "knowledgeable" kuno that modern contraceptive is bad aguy, pila kaha inyo anak mga sirs and mam hehe. Pila sad inyo sweldo? Are you living in a box or medyo sosyal inyo balay? Are you from a rich family mao wa kay paki alam for those who cannot afford to have a lot of kids?

Karong panahon let us be practical. Isn't it nice for this country to import workers rather than export laborers? Try ninyo adto sa mga eskwater areas kay mao ni kasagaran mailad sa church og these so called pro-life kuno ahahaha and you will see a lot of kids, way makaon, walay sinina, walay tsinelas. Hahay

[johnny22aa]

again to the thread starter. u may now want to change the thread title. calling once, twice. unfair jud kayo if u call it anti-life bisan naa pa nay question mark!

[SioDenz]

Karong panahon let us be practical. Isn't it nice for this country to import workers rather than export laborers? Try ninyo adto sa mga eskwater areas kay mao ni kasagaran mailad sa church og these so called pro-life kuno ahahaha and you will see a lot of kids, way makaon, walay sinina, walay tsinelas. Hahay

Nya ambot ug naa bay gitabang ang simbahan anang mga bataa. Di ra jud tawn tingali ni sila magpakabana, Ang pakasad-un raba dayun ang gobyerno, nya isa diay sila nga maoy rason sa kadaghan sa tawo nga wala nay gikaon..faet

[uzumaki]

importante jed naa check and balance

[wng]

This is a good read on the topic: Hormone Contraceptives: Controversies and Clarifications

In the US, the abortion debate is called pro-life vs. pro-choice. Since we're not talking about abortion, then it's not appropriate to use the same terms. There are after all pro-life people who advocate contraceptives (in fact, in most surveys, they are the clear majority). Also, this bill is not about abortion at all.

As we are advocating *** education, it is better to call this movement "pro-education". We're not antilife! Is there a way to change a thread title?

So it is better to call this debate pro-education vs. pro-lie. Oi, nakalimtan nako ang "f", cge, di na lang nako i correct kay murag ok man sad na nga label para sa kadtong mga mo withhold ug information ug education.

[baby_grace]

Spreading information on the use of condoms and contraceptives is not an assurance that people will use these and prevent any future pregnancies contributing to population growth. Informing the people on how to use these things is like informing them that having *** is alright considering the continuous growth of population due to accidental pregnancies. Educating the people on the implications of these activities is better than telling them what to use to prevent pregnancies. We are in the modern age already but there are better ways of dealing with problems such as population growth.

[junmar4]

Spreading information on the use of condoms and contraceptives is not an assurance that people will use these and prevent any future pregnancies contributing to population growth. Informing the people on how to use these things is like informing them that having *** is alright considering the continuous growth of population due to accidental pregnancies. Educating the people on the implications of these activities is better than telling them what to use to prevent pregnancies. We are in the modern age already but there are better ways of dealing with problems such as population growth.

such as?

misconceptions on topics like this is the main reason of such. To those joining the prayer rallies, kabasa na ba mo sa kumpletong bill or tsismis ra sad?

[MartinShortz]

Though abortion is unacceptable in my book, unplanned pregnancy isn't.

I don't care what the church has say about it. They can't tell me what to do or how to live my life. It's my choice. And it always has been. If my wife wants to have a dozen kids, too bad I will only give her 2, 3 the most. (Para gamay ra ang tax mabayad nko annually.)

[hotstart_03]

sobra na pod ta ka daghan!! more babies means more mouths to feed. .

[mannyamador]

sobra na pod ta ka daghan!! more babies means more mouths to feed. .

Every mouth we have to feed also comes with two hands that can work. More people means more production, mass markets, mass production, and more efficient distribution of resources. Translating small-scale economics to large-scale economies is an OVERSIMPLIFICATION and is simply false. Population growth normally results in a growing economy. Population stagnation (and depopulation) eventually results in economic stagnation.

Poverty has very little to do with population. Study after studty has shown that the real causes of poverty are bad governance (massive corruption, economic mismanagement, and indiscriminate debt servicing). Apparently, however, people don't even look at the evidence. They just shoot their mouhts off.

By the way, the bill is ANTI-LIFE and should be identified as such. It is actually pro-abortion because promotes abortifacient contraceptives and an attitude that will encourage abortion. Atty. Jose C. Sison points this out in his column "A bishop's courageous stand" (July 18, 2008, Philippine Star):

It has been repeatedly pointed out by medical tests and actual experience,
especially in the USA, where the powerful International Groups pushing for
this bill are based (Planned Parenthood, UNFPA), that some of these
contraceptives cause abortion. The IUD prevents a fertilized egg -- "a new
little human being" -- from implanting in the uterine wall. The pill does
not always stop ovulation but sometimes prevents implantation of the
growing embryo. The new RU 486 pill works altogether by aborting a new
fetus, a new baby.

But the greater evil here is that contraceptives whether causing abortion
or not, are directly linked to abortion. "A society in which
contraceptives are widely used is going to have a very difficult time
keeping free of abortions since the lifestyles and attitudes that
contraception fosters, create an alleged need for abortion" (Janet Smith,
The Connection between Contraception and Abortion). In the same article,
Ms. Smith, an associate professor at Dallas State University, even quoted
the US Supreme Court in the case of Planned Parenthood vs. Casey, thus:
"The intimate relationships facilitated by contraceptives are what make
abortions necessary. Intimate here is a euphemism and a misleading one at
that. Here the word intimate means sexual; it does not mean loving and
close. Abortion is most often the result of sexual relationships in which
there is little true intimacy and love, in which there is no room for a
baby, the natural consequence of sexual intercourse. Contraception enables
those who are not prepared to care for babies, to engage in sexual
intercourse; when they become pregnant, they resent the unborn child for
intruding itself upon their lives and they turn to the solution of
abortion".

Population control is deadly and a total waste of resources.

Our population growth rate has been dropping like a rock. Even the NSO's own figures show this (and the NSO is not a Church-run or pro-life organization): Here is what it said in the 2007 Census of Population (emphasis added):

The 2007 and 2000 census figures translated into an average annual population growth rate of 2.04 percent for the period 2000 to 2007. As shown below, it was the lowest annual population growth rate recorded for the Philippines since the 1960s.

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Reference       Average Annual Population
Period          Growth Rate
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2000-2007       2.04
1990-2000       2.34
1980-1990       2.35
1970-1980       2.75
1960-1970       3.01
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The projected average annual population growth rate for the period 2005 to 2010 was 1.95 percent. This projection was based on the 2000 Census of Population and Housing.

We don't need population control at all. What we need is conversion and political/economic reform.

Now let me respond to some othjer errors posted earlier.

How? If couples don't have unwanted children, then there will be no abortion.

You haven't been reading the evidence and the posts. Contraceptives encourage promiscuous behavior and lead to even more contraceptive failures. Then population controllers will call for abortion as a remedy. This has happened in most countries where there is widespread contraception. The US is a prime example: Americans have contraceptives available everywhere, yet the demand for abortion is still high. Obviously, contraceptives don't really prevent unwanted pregnancies. In fact, they INCREASE the likelihood of it because of the behavior it encourages.

NFP is safe, but effective? ... And how does this encourage commitment and fidelity

This should be obvious. NFP will not work in casual relationships. You have to be committed and know your spouse well for it to work. Artificial contraceptives, on the other hand, are precisely designed for casual relationships and encourage casual ***. You don't need commitment to use them (although they fail often).

Even the common pill, it just prevents ovulation. It is the "morning after" pill that is different.

Get the facts straight, please. The regular pill and mini-pill have the same main active ingredient: progestin. The regular pill fails to prevent ovulation 2%-10% of the time, and also causes a hostile endometrium. This prevents implantation of the fertilized egg, which is a newly-concieved human being. This eventually causes destruction of the baby since it will have nowhere to implant. The difference is that the mini-pill is progestin-only (lacks other ingredient of the regular pill) and allows ovulation 40%-60% of the time. Thus it has a higher failure rate. But both have the same abortifacient effect.)

Has nothing to do with religious freedom. There are only a handful of health workers and they have to be able to do their jobs. Same with the military. It is against nearly all religions to kill. But the military has be ready to kill in a war. They'll be tried for treason if they'll surrender due to church beliefs. If they are not capable of that, then find another job.

You seem to forget that what almost all religions are against is MURDER (killing the innocent), but they also recognize that you can kill in a JUST WAR and in SELF-DEFENSE. Your analogy is therefore wrong.

You also forget that the law allows conscinetious objectors to refrain from engaging in war. The bill, however, does not make any real room for conscientious objectors. At least in war, conscientious objectors can choose to perform community service, which is NOT the same as coooperating in war. The bill, howevere, does not even allow that. It forces them to refer patients to anopther person who will do the dirty deed. It forces them therefore to cooperate in the evil and as such is against religious freedom.