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[SamuraiArcher]

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wise men, kings and magi same meaning ra lagi.....tan-awa sa imung link nga gihatag..imu na ba na tan-aw? wala namn gud ka mi confirm sa akong gi-post nga tan-awa sa imung link nga gihatag.....just confirm nga they have the same meaning....

[eagleseye]

O sige sakyan tamo ani, kung mohatag kog gift will you demand what will I give?

Pwede kaau bro oi. concrete example kanang mapasko, naa usahay moingon nako nga mga kaila hatagi ko sa imong nga daan nga shirt beh pinaskohan. So dba normal lang. another thing also when we pray to God we always specify what we want. And when we receive what we are asking for then we consider this as gift from God. Dba klaro ug tataw kaau. Because ang pag demand sa buot mohatag ug gift will not violate the meaning of a donation.

So therefore ang pagbutang ug amonut para sa kasal, bunyag ug uban does not violate sa pagka donation niini... Nganong gihimo kini is to standardize. And one thing usab kining ubang mga kaigsoonan nato mohangyo ug magpakilooy kay wlay ikabayad sa bunyag or kasal peru dagko diay ug kumbira. Maayo kaha na? Nga kung imong huna hunaon pag-ayo asa man ang simbahan mokuha ug ibayad sa serbisyo sa mga secretary, maintenance ug uban ba. The time and economic needs also demand for it.

Nya bay ingon man ang Ginoong Kristo Hesus nga and gidawat ninyo sa akoa nga walay bayad ihatag ninyo nga walay bayad, mabasa sa Mateo 10:8.

hahaha... ang pag-interpete nimo sa maong verse imoha lang ba or sa inyong labaw? kung mao ni ang gitudlo sa imong elders sa simbahan bro then nangilad sila nimo... bacn mao ni ang usa sa mga verses no nga imong nadungog and nakapausab the way you think about the Catholic belief. Ang style gud ninyo mo kutlo ug mga verses is kuhaon ninyo a certain portion of it then draw conclusion which is i-apply raba dayon sa tanan...

Tugutan ta sa walay pag-uyon nga sakto ang imong interpretation sa Mateo 10:8 as stated above sa ato pa libre na ang mga serbisyo sa mga doctor, maestra ug uban pa nga naa karon sa inyon simbahan? kay kining kaalam o kahibalo nga naa nila karon hinatag man kini sa Diyos.

From New International Version, Matthew 10:8 says, "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give." Ang pagpanambal ug paghingilin man sa demonyo lagi ang gihisgutan dha bro. Lipat-lipat man nang inyo bro. hehehe...


Og taym pa basig nakalimot ka nga Katoliko ko sa una og ang akong pamilya karon kay sarado katoliko gihapon.

Nakadayeg ko sa imong miyembro sa pamilya kay wla gyud sila mapaling sa ilang gitoohan. Ang usa man gud sa mga hinungdan ngano nga mapukling ang atong pagtoo sa pagka-Katoliko kay mabaw raman gud kaau ang atong pagsabot. Pagsugod nimo ug questions about the Catholic belief imo untang gi-dig further dha mismo sa Catholic groups ang tubag sa imong mga pangutana. We have bible studies man, church activities which in one way or another could somehow give answers to your questions. Kung wala pa nato masabti the premises of the Catholic faith usaon man nato pagkahibalo nga sakto ta sa imong nahimutangan karon...

Shalom!

[jimreen]

magis are wise men...they are strologers, they have the knowledge because they studied stars or the are scientist...thats why they are called "the wise men".........when you talk about kings.... Kings won't travel alone...they are accompanied by chariots, soldiers etc. pero wala mani mahisgutan sa bibliya.

[SamuraiArcher]

RCRUMAN arguing on the meaning of magi, wise men n kings..wen is aid they have the same meaning...naghatag sya ug link nga lahi daw ang meaning...wen u search for the emaning of the three words sa link nga gi-hatag ni rcruman...they have the same menaing...even the word king was not written in the Bible..because they have the same meaning..catholics refred the word king as wise men or magi...

[rcruman]

Did I or we interpret the verse Matthew 10:8?
Its your own mind who can think if the words of Christ in that verse refer to give it freely.

hahaha... ang pag-interpete nimo sa maong verse imoha lang ba or sa inyong labaw? kung mao ni ang gitudlo sa imong elders sa simbahan bro then nangilad sila nimo... bacn mao ni ang usa sa mga verses no nga imong nadungog and nakapausab the way you think about the Catholic belief. Ang style gud ninyo mo kutlo ug mga verses is kuhaon ninyo a certain portion of it then draw conclusion which is i-apply raba dayon sa tanan...

You're wrong my friend, its just a fraction that lead me to leave the Catholic Church.
Then here's a point, if i quoted the bible and for you its wrong then show me the correct one from the bible also, but all of you guys will just say that its our own interpretation.

Pwede kaau bro oi. concrete example kanang mapasko, naa usahay moingon nako nga mga kaila hatagi ko sa imong nga daan nga shirt beh pinaskohan.
Nya, kung walay ikahatag nga T-shirt so mamoblema pa imo gipangayuan.
Ang imo example bay kay kulang, it follows nga kung ni-demand ka og gift ang imo gipangayuan maoy nangutana og unsa imo gusto, right?

From New International Version, Matthew 10:8 says, "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give." Ang pagpanambal ug paghingilin man sa demonyo lagi ang gihisgutan dha bro. Lipat-lipat man nang inyo bro. hehehe...

Ikaw maoy lipat-lipat, on the entire Matthew chapter 10 Christ told the apostle to preach.
Why wont you read it the whole chapter my friend.

Nakadayeg ko sa imong miyembro sa pamilya kay wla gyud sila mapaling sa ilang gitoohan. Ang usa man gud sa mga hinungdan ngano nga mapukling ang atong pagtoo sa pagka-Katoliko kay mabaw raman gud kaau ang atong pagsabot. Pagsugod nimo ug questions about the Catholic belief imo untang gi-dig further dha mismo sa Catholic groups ang tubag sa imong mga pangutana. We have bible studies man, church activities which in one way or another could somehow give answers to your questions. Kung wala pa nato masabti the premises of the Catholic faith usaon man nato pagkahibalo nga sakto ta sa imong nahimutangan karon...

Are you sure that the Catholic groups (priest, defender end etc) can answer?
So why wont you try to ask this if they can.
Is there an instance in the bible that the Baby was being baptized?
Does it permitted to kneel down on idols?
Is there a purgatory?
Is there a limbo?
Is the ROMAN CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH was the name of CHurch in the bible?
Does Apostle Peter was the First POPE?
Does God dwells in a man made churches?
Does Veronica really wipe the face of Jesus and leaves an image on the cloth?
Does the two theif on the side of Jesus was named?
Does God allows a leader to be called father?
Does the doctrines of Christ has regular mass and special mass?
Does Jesus Christ born on December 25?
Does we need to worship even the relics of claimed saint?
Does God allows us to worship and make image?
Does rosary is in the bible?
Does sign of the cross commanded by Christ?

The fact you will ask these they will tell you its not right for you to read the bible.

Just asking, and if you can answer this then I will reconsider.
Peace!

[rcruman]

My friend do you mean this?:

C. Patristic Evidence

No Father of the Church holds the Magi to have been kings. Tertullian ("Adv. Marcion.", III, xiii) says that they were wellnigh kings (fere reges), and so agrees with what we have concluded from non-Biblical evidence. The Church, indeed, in her liturgy, applies to the Magi the words: "The kings of Tharsis and the islands shall offer presents; the kings of the Arabians and of Saba shall bring him gifts: and all the kings of the earth shall adore him" (Psalm 71:10). But this use of the text in reference to them no more proves that they were kings than it traces their journey from Tharsis, Arabia, and Saba. As sometimes happens, a liturgical accommodation of a text has in time come to be looked upon by some as an authentic interpretation thereof. Neither were they magicians: the good meaning of magoi, though found nowhere else in the Bible, is demanded by the context of the second chapter of St. Matthew. These Magians can have been none other than members of the priestly caste already referred to. The religion of the Magi was fundamentally that of Zoroaster and forbade sorcery; their astrology and skill in interpreting dreams were occasions of their finding Christ. (See THEOLOGICAL ASPECTS OF THE AVESTA.)

This is a portion of the linked I've posted, "No Father of the Church holds the Magi to have been kings. "

Mayber you have a source or encyclopedia that really says magi, wise men and kings are the same.

Peace!

[SamuraiArcher]

kining imung gihatag nga link...go sa link nga imu gipost below...then tan-awa ang meaning sa King, magi ug wise men...nganu di man ka mu open sa link n try to see it for urself...

unsa diay ang meaning sa among catholic encyclopedia? if mutu-o ka nako maayo gehapon....its my opinion man wala man ko nag base ana nga mga meaning..common sense ako gigamit...but sa among catholic dictionary , kings, magi n wise men have the same meaning....

Then click the link for you to see what the catholic encyclopedia mean about wisemen.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09527a.htm

Your opinion is not enough to prove that it was 3 kings.


Peace!

[SamuraiArcher]

mao siguro wala ka kasabot wat the real meaning of the Bible..sa akong tan-aw u just literali understand the Bible..sama sa pag-understand sa uban nga preacher kunuhay sa word of God...ang imong gpanglista mao ang mga gibuhat namu sa catolico....do i have to defend that? as wat i said..not all thing are writen in the Bible...but na-a dagahn gisulat sa Bible nga dapat nato likayan kay mao na sila ang mga Church of satan...sama sa akong gi-post..ang uban nga religion na-ay mga ID nga gi-distribute sa ilang mga members? na-a pay barcode for verification.....para nako mao ni ang gitawag sa Bible ug mga algad ni satanas nag maayo kaayo mangilad nga sila sugo sa Ginoo....ang imung grupo RCRUMAN d ba na-ay ID? kana inyong gibuhat na-a pud na sa Bible? o mao na ang gi-describe as church of satan

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Can you give to me your source of this, or the version of any bible that was derived from original scripture.
The Magi are not 3 in numbers and also don't have name in the bible even in greek, latin, and hebrew bible.
But I'm not that close minded, perhaps you can show me your source, because you are not certain about your information and source.

I dont have a source , it is something I thought of . ANyways , from a Catholic's point of view and explanation from the link provided should answer the issue .

The names of the Magi are as uncertain as is their number. Among the Latins, from the seventh century, we find slight variants of the names, Gaspar, Melchior, and Balthasar; the Martyrology mentions St. Gaspar, on the first, St. Melchior, on the sixth, and St. Balthasar, on the eleventh of January (Acta SS., I, 8, 323, 664). The Syrians have Larvandad, Hormisdas, Gushnasaph, etc.; the Armenians, Kagba, Badadilma, etc. (Cf. Acta Sanctorum, May, I, 1780). Passing over the purely legendary notion that they represented the three families which are decended from Noah, it appears they all came from "the east" (Matthew 2:1, 2, 9). East of Palestine, only ancient Media, Persia, Assyria, and Babylonia had a Magian priesthood at the time of the birth of Christ. From some such part of the Parthian Empire the Magi came. They probably crossed the Syrian Desert, lying between the Euphrates and Syria, reached either Haleb (Aleppo) or Tudmor (Palmyra), and journeyed on to Damascus and southward, by what is now the great Mecca route (darb elhaj, "the pilgrim's way"), keeping the Sea of Galilee and the Jordan to their west till they crossed the ford near Jericho. We have no tradition of the precise land meant by "the east". It is Babylon, according to St. Maximus (Homil. xviii in Epiphan.); and Theodotus of Ancyra (Homil. de Nativitate, I, x); Persia, according to Clement of Alexandria (Strom., I xv) and St. Cyril of Alexandria (In Is., xlix, 12); Aribia, according to St. Justin (Cont. Tryphon., lxxvii), Tertullian (Adv. Jud., ix), and St. Epiphanius (Expos. fidei, viii).

source :http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09527a.htm

[rcruman]

mao siguro wala ka kasabot wat the real meaning of the Bible..sa akong tan-aw u just literali understand the Bible..sama sa pag-understand sa uban nga preacher kunuhay sa word of God...ang imong gpanglista mao ang mga gibuhat namu sa catolico....do i have to defend that? as wat i said..not all thing are writen in the Bible...but na-a dagahn gisulat sa Bible nga dapat nato likayan kay mao na sila ang mga Church of satan...sama sa akong gi-post..ang uban nga religion na-ay mga ID nga gi-distribute sa ilang mga members? na-a pay barcode for verification.....para nako mao ni ang gitawag sa Bible ug mga algad ni satanas nag maayo kaayo mangilad nga sila sugo sa Ginoo....ang imung grupo RCRUMAN d ba na-ay ID? kana inyong gibuhat na-a pud na sa Bible? o mao na ang gi-describe as church of satan.

If there are other denomitation that involve here then their doctrinces must be studied also.
ABout our ID, here it is : Let all things be done decently and in order. 1 Corinthians 14:40
OUr ID system was an security measures, by ID we can see or identify who is a member and If they are guest we can take care of them and entertain them for them not feel uncomfortable because we can't offer comfort because of our situation. We can give them priority and offer food because our Thanksgiving is a whole day affair.

ang imong gpanglista mao ang mga gibuhat namu sa catolico....do i have to defend that?
Did I say that defend it? Or I say ask this or explain this?
Because it can't be defended in the bible because it was not there, ikaw bitaw ingon "not all thing are writen in the Bible...but na-a dagahn gisulat sa Bible nga dapat nato likayan kay mao na sila ang mga Church of satan..."

but Apostle Paul say:
And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. 1 Corinthians 4:6.

and Apostle John say:
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 1 John 1:3.

And Jesus Christ say:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:20.

We must follow Christ not our own reasoning and righteousness.

Peace!