The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

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Kana diay gi ingun sa Pari about mostly sa una ig mag suicide wala Funeral Rights? - Unsa diay na nga Proof ? di ba pari may nag sulti ana? naa pa man gani nay Website, NI AGREE pa gani ka ana sa una?

Di ka mudawat ana? or nagpaka buta bungol raka?

Ipasangil lagi dayun ang SA UNA PANA

its not pasangil bro ideas na nga ako nabatian sa una..

if ang info sa una sayop then now is the time to make it right and correct things, right?.. now i have my new info krn bai lets start it nah?.. unsa paman imo dugayan?

i suggest bro don't dwell in the past trust me you will not grow..

A: In earlier times a person who committed suicide would often be denied funeral rites and even burial in a Church cemetery. However, some consideration has always been taken into account of the person's mental state at the time. - Father Edward McNamara

SAKTO si Father o DILI? please daw tubag..

unfortunately bai deli krn based sa ako new information..

but back to topic nata asa ka makabasa ana sa catechism of the catholic church nga deli pwede misahan ang naghikog?..

[SioDenz]

its not pasangil bro ideas na nga ako nabatian sa una..

if ang info sa una sayop then now is the time to make it right and correct things, right?.. now i have my new info krn bai lets start it nah?.. unsa paman imo dugayan?

i suggest bro don't dwell in the past trust me you will not grow..

unfortunately bai deli krn based sa ako new information..

but back to topic nata asa ka makabasa ana sa catechism of the catholic church nga deli pwede misahan ang naghikog?..

So Dakong Sayop si Father?

Ayaw lawgawa ang istoryang Father bro. Klaru kaayu nang iyang ingun sa UNA - meaning Before. Di masabtan iyang tubag bro?

Klaru kaayu nga sa UNA di misahan ang nag SUICIDE karun PWEDI na. MAO nay tubag ni Father ug MAO sad nay stand nko, unya nangayu kag Ebidensya if asa ang proof nga DILI PWEDI MISAHAN ang nag Suicide sa UNA. Unya hatagan taka sa tubag sa isa ka PARI - di nimu dawatun?

Wa Koy paki if naay Ebidensya KARUN kay ang imung gipa PROVE nko asa ang Ebedensya nga DILI pwedi MISAHAN ang nag SUICIDE sa UNA... Palihug ug Consider tawn a TIME factor sa atung istorya kay ma expose ka

Unya ug hatagan kag ebidensya sa una nimug Post, Imu i Disregard kay sa UNA pa to

Murag nagsalimuang nman ka bro.

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So Dakong Sayop si Father?

Ayaw lawgawa ang istoryang Father bro. Klaru kaayu nang iyang ingun sa UNA - meaning Before. Di masabtan iyang tubag bro?

Klaru kaayu nga sa UNA di misahan ang nag SUICIDE karun PWEDI na. MAO nay tubag ni Father ug MAO sad nay stand nko, unya nangayu kag Ebidensya if asa ang proof nga DILI PWEDI MISAHAN ang nag Suicide sa UNA. Unya hatagan taka sa tubag sa isa ka PARI - di nimu dawatun?

Wa Koy paki if naay Ebidensya KARUN kay ang imung gipa PROVE nko asa ang Ebedensya nga DILI pwedi MISAHAN ang nag SUICIDE sa UNA... Palihug ug Consider tawn a TIME factor sa atung istorya kay ma expose ka

Unya ug hatagan kag ebidensya sa una nimug Post, Imu i Disregard kay sa UNA pa to

Murag nagsalimuang nman ka bro.

hahaha ana ka teachings muana gani ka teachings bro naa jud nakasulat deli bah?.. so i need the evidence sa teaching sa RC para maprove nato..trust me attacking me personally wont work.. hehehe

mao rana imo basehan sa legitimacy sa teachings sa RC nga simbahan?.. if nituo kas gistorya sa pari then post your evidence asa na gibasehan sa pari sad para ato jud makita kung gikan ba jud na nga teaching sa "catechism of the catholic church". lets make this legit bro prove it sa ako asa nako mabasa sa teachings sa RC ang deli pagpamisa sa nagsuicide..

kung buot hunahunaon nakigchismis raman na imo gibuhat kay wala man kay ikapakita nga ebedinsya sinulat gikan jud sa catechism of the catholic church.. mura raman ka ana ug naminaw sa tao nya tuo daun ka but wala ebidens..hehehe

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effectual ang forgiveness of sins only to those who believe and live with Christ.
Colossians 2:13-14 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

It also supports Paul’s statement that at the moment of belief the Holy Spirit was sealed within us as a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance .

And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory (Ephes. 1:13-14).

Taken literally, this means the Holy spirit is the down payment that guarantees the redemption of the acquired possession (us). This guarantee went into effect when we first believed.

It is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. (2 Cor. 1:21-22).

This tells us that God has established us as His and has placed His seal upon us as well. A seal is meant to authenticate ownership, placing it beyond doubt. It’s similar to the brand a rancher places on his cattle. 1 Cor. 6:19 says we are no longer ours, we were bought with a price. The price was the life of His Son Jesus. The Holy Spirit is our guarantee that God, who acquired us, will also redeem us.

Hebrews 10:12-14 states that Jesus offered Himself as a once for all time sacrifice for sin that has made us perfect forever.

But when this priest (Jesus Christ) had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool, because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

bro in laymans term para masabtan nato daun.. so what will happen sa mga sala nga mabuhat sa future like murder, theft, adultery, ect.. ana man ka napapas na tanan sala sa cross...

[Grammaton]

bro in laymans term para masabtan nato daun.. so what will happen sa mga sala nga mabuhat sa future like murder, theft, adultery, ect.. ana man ka napapas na tanan sala sa cross...

you didnt get the point.

For the unbelievers, walay effect ang pagpakamatay sa ginoo sa ilaha coz they remain to be unbelievers until they die.
For us as believers, the works of Jesus Christ on that cross will be the substitute sa atung sala atubangan sa ginoo when we will face His Judgment.

Rev 1:5 "Unto Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood."
[B][I]Romans 3:24-26.
24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness: that He might be just, and the justifier of him who believes in Jesus.

In Romans 1:18 Paul had said, "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men ..." For the Christian the wrath or anger of God is revealed from heaven against His Son on the cross at Calvary. God gave full vent to his wrath against sin by laying our sin and sins upon Jesus and punishing Him for them. "Whom God set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood,.."

By the time we truly accepted Christ into our life as our Lord and Saviour, the Holy Spirit will start to work in our lives by molding us the way God wanted us to be. Now, future sins that you mention will no longer have the power over us. Wala sai believer nga magpabilin sa iyang pagkamakasasala.

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you didnt get the point.

For the unbelievers, walay effect ang pagpakamatay sa ginoo sa ilaha coz they remain to be unbelievers until they die.
For us as believers, the works of Jesus Christ on that cross will be the substitute sa atung sala atubangan sa ginoo when we will face His Judgment.

Rev 1:5 "Unto Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood."
[B][I]Romans 3:24-26.
24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness: that He might be just, and the justifier of him who believes in Jesus.

In Romans 1:18 Paul had said, "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men ..." For the Christian the wrath or anger of God is revealed from heaven against His Son on the cross at Calvary. God gave full vent to his wrath against sin by laying our sin and sins upon Jesus and punishing Him for them. "Whom God set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood,.."

By the time we truly accepted Christ into our life as our Lord and Saviour, the Holy Spirit will start to work in our lives by molding us the way God wanted us to be. Now, future sins that you mention will no longer have the power over us. Wala sai believer nga magpabilin sa iyang pagkamakasasala.

hmmmmm ok most likely same as the RC teachings though naay case sa Rc nga giconsider sad esp kad2ng believer nga nakasala yet wala naka nakahinulsol or confess sa Ginuo or sa pari or sa iya isigkaingon kay tungod sa sitwasyon(perhaps sudden death or other situations)..

in your religion bro how will you deal with that?.. namatay but naa pay sala nga wala niya nakompisal for some reasons?..

[Grammaton]

hmmmmm ok most likely same as the RC teachings though naay case sa Rc nga giconsider sad esp kad2ng believer nga nakasala yet wala naka nakahinulsol or confess sa Ginuo or sa pari or sa iya isigkaingon kay tungod sa sitwasyon(perhaps sudden death or other situations)..

in your religion bro how will you deal with that?.. namatay but naa pay sala nga wala niya nakompisal for some reasons?..

any kind of sin is a sin in the presence of a Holy God. remember Adam and Eve, their sin is only disobedience but the whole of creation suffers the consequence.
Rare man tingali kayo na nga case ang tawo daily or often mangumpisal. Mostly sa mga namatay dunay mga sala nga wala maabti ug kompisal.

Once ang taw giluwas na sa ginoo from the bondage of sin, he has the Holy Spirit that convicts ug wala na syay kalipay sa pagbuhat ana. duna gyud kausaban iyang kinabuhi. That's why we have this doctrine of justification by faith. Ephesians 2:8-9.

Kung makasala man ta, it is because we are still living in the flesh. Apostle Paul taught about this struggle in Romans 7:
Paul says, "I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present in me. For I delight after the law of God after the inward man. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

Only the power of Christ can separate the war between the flesh and the spirit.

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oh really this is very interesting may i ask what religious sector are you bro?

but still there is a chance nga mahitabo right?.. you mentioned justification by faith meaning if ever mahitabo ang chance nga ang tao naa pay sala but a believer naa japon cya chance masaved?..

[Grammaton]

oh really this is very interesting may i ask what religious sector are you bro?

but still there is a chance nga mahitabo right?.. you mentioned justification by faith meaning if ever mahitabo ang chance nga ang tao naa pay sala but a believer naa japon cya chance masaved?..

I belong to a protestant group bro but i am not very particular with denominations. What matters to me is that as long as Im a christian, i have the right relationship with God and men and I am growing spiritually.

Actually, that is what the bible teaches also. we are justified by faith. but it is a 2-way responsibility, God has given us the grace to save us and we in return must work out the salvation that we received. Not in the sense that we will do something in order to be saved (as Jesus already paid it all) but to reflect the light of Jesus in our lives daily that we may shine forth to all men.

Philippians 2
12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

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I belong to a protestant group bro but i am not very particular with denominations. What matters to me is that as long as Im a christian, i have the right relationship with God and men and I am growing spiritually.

Actually, that is what the bible teaches also. we are justified by faith. but it is a 2-way responsibility, God has given us the grace to save us and we in return must work out the salvation that we received. Not in the sense that we will do something in order to be saved (as Jesus already paid it all) but to reflect the light of Jesus in our lives daily that we may shine forth to all men.

Philippians 2
12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

hmmmmmmm so you guys think those people will be saved still through justification by faith.. i was quite intrigue bro b'coz i think the same way too.. RC believes that there will be justification for those believers who have sinned even they are dead..

mao na naa mi purgatoryo nga gitawag though daghan debate ani kay wala daw sa bible ang purgatoryo gimention.. RC named it purgatory as a state of cleansing sa sins..