Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[Jhared]

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that's why i find it absurd for people to seek scientifically verified proofs for God.
Science, though great in itself but is far from being able to uproot absolute details behind everything there is about creation. ultimo atong kalibutan wla pa gani malukop nato ug tuon..samut na kaha ang naghimo tanan?
would you use basic math formulas in solving problems with calculus?
mao i would rather opt with philosophical proofs as long as ang basis kay reality and actuality.

religious diversity for me is simply the result of diverse human perspectives or understanding of One divine revelation.

wala oi..simple ra man bai.. ang reality of Laws ra jud ang basis.
ang gist sa akong post kay Laws exist for purpose.. purpose can only exist when there is intelligence..mao mutuo ko nga dunay intelligence creator.

pupose can only exist when there is intelligence? that's just an assumption, your own brand of an ought like what i said.. does the absolute nature of reality depends on this assumption? maybe for you, but not for me..

i believe that the bible is God's word bai but it doesn't mean that the reason why i believe in God is because the bible says so..
i believe that natural laws do come from God in God's sovereignty but not because i read that somewhere in the bible.
but through the reality of things..ug mao ni akong gipang hisgutan karun.

you might think that way but it cannot be denied that Christian beliefs on reality is based on the folklores of the bible,.. just go ask every Christian..

yes bai,laws in societies are there for peace and order..same thing with nature only in a much complex manner..
we ought to examine the results rather than the process to see the order of things that i am talking about.
example would be the very long process of evolution.
the process isn't necessarily pleasing but as long as things are left to unfold naturally, makita nato nga para sa kaayohan ang purpose sa maong process.
the process of creating the universe..the series of causes and effects was far from a peaceful and calm process..samut na siguro ang pagbutho sa kinabuhi..kung proceso atong tan-awn makaingun jud ta nga walay order..but we get a different picture when we look at the result of the entire process.. everything we need to survive is in this planet..everything that exists in this planet has its own role in sustaining creation. ..all of these things just by following the Law of Nature...

morality is part of a human being's nature this is what separates us from other beings.
mas daghan ang ants because kinahanglan sila daghan..hehehe..their size and number compliments with their role in creation..

mao lage, at the end of the day..we believe and follow what we think is right..di kinahanglan maglalis..istorya ra gud...saon tamang naay uban nga pilion jud mang hilabut ug mag gubot-gubot..

i assume you are aware of the god-of-the-gaps argument, if so then i beg for your indulgence because i cant help but iterate it..
its true what you are saying that we dont know everything, that we are far from explaining everything, that there are still countless of stars to count, countless of other things to crunch into numbers so we can understand it, because we are not equipped with a default knowledge to know everything, we are left with only the devices to comprehend the vast abyss of space through numbers.. but is this illiteracy a proof that there might be a god after all? i dont think so.. but whatever makes you happy..

would you use basic math formulas in solving problems with calculus? i dont know about you, but from what i know calculus is structurized by basic math, you cant solve calculus if you dont know basic math, just like a lego castle is made up of legos.. so in a way yes, i use basic math to solve calculus problems.. but if you're asking if we can understand all reality based on the knowledge that we have, then no, not yet, but can we afford to assume a god because of our own illiteracy to put everything into numbers? id rather not, the science community would rather not,.. but if you wish to deduce it philosophically and conclude that there is a god, then that god is just a product of your philosophy, nothing more..

evolution goes its own way,.. it's only purpose is survival of species, and sometimes it can yield results that are far from perfect, as far as our definition of perfect is concerned,. baby koalas for example since their gut is not yet developed to digest eucalyptus leaves they eat the feces of their mothers, naked mole rats are blind and, well, naked, etc.. but if you wish to look at it the way you do now, then so be it...

[brendomar]

i assume you are aware of the god-of-the-gaps argument, if so then i beg for your indulgence because i cant help but iterate it..
its true what you are saying that we dont know everything, that we are far from explaining everything, that there are still countless of stars to count, countless of other things to crunch into numbers so we can understand it, because we are not equipped with a default knowledge to know everything, we are left with only the devices to comprehend the vast abyss of space through numbers.. but is this illiteracy a proof that there might be a god after all? i dont think so.. but whatever makes you happy..

would you use basic math formulas in solving problems with calculus? i dont know about you, but from what i know calculus is structurized by basic math, you cant solve calculus if you dont know basic math, just like a lego castle is made up of legos.. so in a way yes, i use basic math to solve calculus problems.. but if you're asking if we can understand all reality based on the knowledge that we have, then no, not yet, but can we afford to assume a god because of our own illiteracy to put everything into numbers? id rather not, the science community would rather not,.. but if you wish to deduce it philosophically and conclude that there is a god, then that god is just a product of your philosophy, nothing more..

evolution goes its own way,.. it's only purpose is survival of species, and sometimes it can yield results that are far from perfect, as far as our definition of perfect is concerned,. baby koalas for example since their gut is not yet developed to digest eucalyptus leaves they eat the feces of their mothers, naked mole rats are blind and, well, naked, etc.. but if you wish to look at it the way you do now, then so be it...

share ko gamay migo.
simple raman gud kayo ang gi-require sa Ginoo sa atua. Believe/have faith in Him and explore the universe.

God had given us the hint in His word. Ma consume nalang tanang ideas/philosophy/inventions/technology sa taw, dili jud matugkad ang kinatibuk-an sa universe.

Pasabot ani migo that man should stop playing God kay mangamatay nalang tang tanan dili gihapon nato matugkad iyang gahum!

Job 38:4-6 King James Version

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

[brendomar]

mutuo ko sa bible apan ang bible dili scientific ang pag explain. pero gituyo na sa mga bible writers aron dali ra nila mapasabot ang mga common people. ang science based on facts pero insufficient pa man ang data nga ilang nakuha pero duol na sila sa kamatuoran. time will tell, maybe 10 or 20 years from now mahibaw.an na nato kung asa gyud ta gikan with scientific proof. ang bible dugay ng nakahibaw kung asa ta gikan wala lng nila gistate ang scientific evidence.

mao niy gitawag bro that theists/spiritual people are already sitting on top of the plateau waiting for the atheists to arrive. Usa ka butang gud dili masabtan ani nila are the unseen things not minding ang mga butang ni-exist comes from the mind.....idea which is intangible.

[Jhared]

share ko gamay migo.
simple raman gud kayo ang gi-require sa Ginoo sa atua. Believe/have faith in Him and explore the universe.

God had given us the hint in His word. Ma consume nalang tanang ideas/philosophy/inventions/technology sa taw, dili jud matugkad ang kinatibuk-an sa universe.

Pasabot ani migo that man should stop playing God kay mangamatay nalang tang tanan dili gihapon nato matugkad iyang gahum!

Job 38:4-6 King James Version

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

what are you talking about? some of us are not playing god when they set out to understand the universe, it's mainly just out of curiosity,. one can also say that if you really want to appreciate the works of your god you should understand it, because its somewhat premature to say that you love mathematics yet you only know basic addition.. also, it's wrong for a Christian to use the word of his god to hide his own mediocrity...

just because you think that man cant conquer what you think your god has laid down, doesn't mean humanity has to stop exploring the universe and go about their life and go to church every sunday like you do.. this curiosity that we have is what propelled us upwards, now we are no longer ignorant about a lot of things, all thanks to those people who like to believe we can conquer nature, unlike those egyptians and mayans who relied on superstitions, na extinct nlang to sila yet all they contributed are oversized tombs..

[brendomar]

what are you talking about? some of us are not playing god when they set out to understand the universe, it's mainly just out of curiosity,. one can also say that if you really want to appreciate the works of your god you should understand it, because its somewhat premature to say that you love mathematics yet you only know basic addition.. also, it's wrong for a Christian to use the word of his god to hide his own mediocrity...

just because you think that man cant conquer what you think your god has laid down, doesn't mean humanity has to stop exploring the universe and go about their life and go to church every sunday like you do.. this curiosity that we have is what propelled us upwards, now we are no longer ignorant about a lot of things, all thanks to those people who like to believe we can conquer nature, unlike those egyptians and mayans who relied on superstitions, na extinct nlang to sila yet all they contributed are oversized tombs..

then go ahead and dont stop exploring til you explode, way nagbuot ninyo! Unsa may inyong naabtan despite of your head full of knowledge? nahimo mong superman? are you living in peace and harmony with your loved ones? nakadiscover namo ug technology mopugong sa kamatayon? if not, without faith all of your efforts are considered nothing in the sight of God...

[Jhared]

then go ahead and stop exploring til you explode, way nagbuot ninyo! Unsa may inyong naabtan despite of your head full of knowledge? nahimo mong superman? are you living in peace and harmony with your loved ones? nakadiscover namo ug technology mopugong sa kamatayon? if not, without faith all of your efforts are considered nothing in the sight of God...

lol.. seems like you're the one who's head is about to explode.. why dont you pray for patience, it seems ikaw ang walay harmony sa mga taw, and you strongly talk about peace and harmony.. i mean you should listen to yourself right now..

the goal of seeking knowledge is not to become superhumans or immortals, the goal is simply to understand, that's all there is to it.. nothing is more exciting than finding answers to the HOWs,.

[brendomar]

@Jhared
sorry migo>>>hehe. angay jud bitaw sabton ning mga atheists. usahay i pamper ba para makafeel ug gugma.

Then it shows that you still dont understand. thats why you need more research.
theres no problem if the goal is to understand. the problem lies in disbelieving from someone who gave you the mind to understand!

[Jhared]

@Jhared
sorry migo>>>hehe. angay jud bitaw sabton ning mga atheists. usahay i pamper ba para makafeel ug gugma.

Then it shows that you still dont understand. thats why you need more research.
theres no problem if the goal is to understand. the problem lies in disbelieving from someone who gave you the mind to understand!

lol, dont be naive
i dont admit i understand more than anybody else, there's no problem with that, and i find no problem with disbelief also, the problem is with people who was given the mind to understand yet refuses to use it, in fact too afraid to use it because they're always eager to secure their place in heaven that they'd rather not..

[brendomar]

lol, dont be naive
i dont admit i understand more than anybody else, there's no problem with that, and i find no problem with disbelief also, the problem is with people who was given the mind to understand yet refuses to use it, in fact too afraid to use it because they're always eager to secure their place in heaven that they'd rather not..

kung maoy imong naabtan sa imong understanding migo, so be it. Atheist diay naka tag iya sa langit nga nakasulti manka sa ingon? hmmm, palaylay pa jud ka bisan motuo jud na sya ug langit ug Ginoo.

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If one wishes for a material proof, then conclusions are still far out of reach.
If Science could show in creating something out of nothing, then there is a big possibility that we did came from nothing.
Science as of now is still a belief.