The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[ketllac]

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@deejay

sorry late kog reply pero mo entertain ko sa imong argumento.

deejayy_214;11062105]utro pud ka.. tan-awa'g maayo ug sabta... ang padawat or the "DEED" is a RESULT of your FAITH... kung dili ka oplokon nga taw, mudawat ba kaha ka sa usa ka butang kung wala ka'y pagtuo?! mao bitaw FAITH=GOODWORKS+SALVATION...

naay oplok nga tawo nga modawat sa gift kay mahadlok maimpyerno ug pangpanghadlok sa church leader. wala ka kaobserba ana sa inyo church ug sa katoliko nga gullible ayo tawo kay usa pa ang pag ka sigurista nga bacin maimpyerno. so Oplok sad ang mga Muslim, buddhist, etc nga dili si Kristo ilahang makaluwas?

imong formula faith =salvation + works.
ang katoliko faith + works= salvation

ang bibliya nag-ingon labi nga kang James nga ang pagtoo walay buhat patay. Unsaon ta man ni likay likayan lang?

ang imo argumento nga nag una daan ang faith aron maluwas. In other words salvation + good deeds are results from faith. unya OPLOKON ang tawo kung dili mo subay aning formulaha..

be tan awon nato kung makapasar imong rason;

murag hapsay na diay ang kaluwasan after nimong pag agree sa imong thought nga yes yes lord. Mura bag ang life walay tunga after time nga ni accept ka ni Jesus upto ________________________death and judgement day..

Ang tawo nga modawat sa gift ni Jesus naa na ba dayon ang kaluwasan? pangutan-a ang bibliya para dili invention matod pa nimo.

HOw about those people nga ni backslide after nakadawat sa gift. The word "backslide" literally means "turn back" or "turn away" (from God, 1 Ki 11:9; from our first love, Rev 2:4; or from the gospel, Gal 1:6, 7; 3:1-5; to Satan, 1 Tim 5:15; to evil, Psa 125:5; or to the world, 2 Tim 4:10). it also departing from the faith, putting a hand to the plow and looking back (Lk 9:62), "salt that has lost its savour" (Mat 5:13), "a dog returning to his vomit" (Prov 26:11), a dead branch (Jn 15:6; Heb 6:. nganong naa may tawo nga ni backslide after sila ni tou?

The backslider does not suddenly wake up one morning and go out and commit adultery. Over a period of time, he may have become lax in his thought life, or entertained fleshly desires. King David watched Bathsheba undress, and soon it was but a little step for him to give expression to the imagination of his heart.

Automatic diay nga kung naa ka faith di naka ma-oplok ug ma lose ang salvation pareha nimo part.?
Only God knows our heart pero dili ta ka claim ani pareha sa mata sa ginoo nga nakit-an niya ato kasing kasing. Ang ato mabuhat puy-an ang ato life diha sa buhing pagtoo nga inubunan sa buhat. [B]Ang pagtoo ug buhat usa ra.[/B walay division/distinction ana nga concept.

paita diring dapita oi... hehehehe... OUTS na ko, kay daghan inventions diri... respetoay na lang ta... inyo pud na... ehehehehehe...

Si Luther nag inbento anang 5 solas ug OSAS nga wala sa bible. Hilig kaayo siya anang word nga only maong ng SOLA which literally means only. Kay ang meaning ana nga the only church nga maluwas is katong ni protesta sa simbahan. A church which is a product from Protest. NOw pwerti na man ning rong daghanan, kinsa kaha nila ang only church nga tinuod nga lahi lahi man sila doktrina

[SioDenz]

Si Luther nag inbento anang 5 solas ug OSAS nga wala sa bible. Hilig kaayo siya anang word nga only maong ng SOLA which literally means only. Kay ang meaning ana nga the only church nga maluwas is katong ni protesta sa simbahan. A church which is a product from Protest. NOw pwerti na man ning rong daghanan, kinsa kaha nila ang only church nga tinuod nga lahi lahi man sila doktrina

I thought the Bible is NOT the only source of Truth according to Catholics. The word Trinity is Not in the Catholic Bible also.

[ketllac]

I thought the Bible is NOT the only source of Truth according to Catholics. The word Trinity is Not in the Catholic Bible also.

Part ang ma question ani mao ang protestant nga ni claim that bible contains all knowledge necessary for salvation. Pero we cannot find it in the bible.
asa man kuno problema ana nga kamo ra may tuo anang sola scriptura? ang burden of proof naa ninyo. dili ma question ang catholics nga ni believe ug tradition and bible.

unya pangutan-on taka ngano motou man ka trinity nga wala man kaha sa bible nga adherent man sa sola scriptura.?

[SioDenz]

Part ang ma question ani mao ang protestant nga ni claim that bible contains all knowledge necessary for salvation. Pero we cannot find it in the bible.
asa man kuno problema ana nga kamo ra may tuo anang sola scriptura? ang burden of proof naa ninyo. dili ma question ang catholics nga ni believe ug tradition and bible.

unya pangutan-on taka ngano motou man ka trinity nga wala man kaha sa bible nga adherent man sa sola scriptura.?

So if Protestant mangatarungan dapat ang source gikan ra jud sa Bibliya? nya if Catholics OK ra if gikan sa lain Source ang ihatag gawas sa Bibliya? mao na imu pasabot?

[ketllac]

So if Protestant mangatarungan dapat ang source gikan ra jud sa Bibliya? nya if Catholics OK ra if gikan sa lain Source ang ihatag gawas sa Bibliya? mao na imu pasabot?

yup.

ang sukdanan gikan sad sa doktrina. kay ni claim man ang usa ka grupo so sukdon ra sad siya sa iya gi claim.

[SioDenz]

yup.

ang sukdanan gikan sad sa doktrina. kay ni claim man ang usa ka grupo so sukdon ra sad siya sa iya gi claim.

aw okies...

[yanong_banikanhon]

Does God eat/sleep/defecate? Can God suffer?

Jesus is the GOD incarnate. He is BOTH truly GOD and truly man. While the 'eat/sleep/defecate' verbs you've mentioned show that he has human nature, it DOESN'T deny nor negate he is GOD.

God had no beginning, Jesus was born.

Jesus as GOD has no beginning but his human nature has. Before anything else exist, he already IS.

John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

His human nature began when he became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father.

Did his nature as GOD cease to exist when he made his dwelling among us? No.

John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who IS himself God.

Take note of the present tense in the phrase 'who IS himself God'. If Jesus totally lost his GODship after he became flesh, the phrase should be 'who WAS himself God'.

[yanong_banikanhon]

Never in the bible does Jesus (pbuh) explicitly say he's God though.

That's because Jesus wanted to teach the people the virtue of humility. But the father HIMSELF declares:

Hebrew 1:1-2

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things...

Hebrew 1:8

But about the Son he (the father) says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

Hebrew 1:9

You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.

Did you notice that the subject and the object of the phrase 'therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions' are both GOD?

But GOD was clearly not talking about himself here. He was talking about his SON. So the 'GOD' in 'therefore GOD' refers to the SON (Jesus) and the 'GOD' in 'your GOD' is the father.

Do we have three GODS then? No. They are one.

1 John 5:7 in Latin language:

Spiritus et aqua et sanguis et tres unum sunt.

and in English:

1 John 5:7 (KJV)

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

[yanong_banikanhon]

^^ If the Jesus is not truly GOD, we would not find awkward wording such as 'therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions' in the bible.

[dartzed]

Never in the bible does Jesus (pbuh) explicitly say he's God though.

unfortunately he did say something murag ubay2 raba iya gisulti..

ex. Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12 - Jesus tells satan, "you shall not tempt the Lord your God". John 5:18 - Jesus claimed to be God. The Jews knew this because Jesus called God His Father and made Himself equal to God. This is why Jesus was crucified. John 14:6 - Jesus says "I am the way, and the truth and the life." Only God is the way, the truth and the life. John 16:15 - Jesus says, "all things that the Father has are Mine." Jesus has everything God has which makes Him God.

etc ask lang if nahan paka ug daghan reference..

Does God eat/sleep/defecate? Can God suffer? God had no beginning, Jesus was born.

Rev. 1:8 - God says He is the "Alpha and the Omega." In Rev. 22:13, Jesus also says He is the "Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end." The only possible conclusion one can reach is that Jesus is equal to the Lord God.

perhaps makaanswer na sa daghan questions nimo above.

Jesus doesn't say "worship me, I'm your creator".
If you go through the Old Testament, you can see God's attributes which He's explicit about who He is.

no he didn't say it word by word.

Luke 17:18 - Jesus asks why the other nine lepers did not come back to give praise to Him, God, except the Samaritan leper.

Please, don't think I'm being disrespectful or anything, that's not my intention. I hope I'm not hurting anyone's feelings.

may God bless you dear..