Merged: Paco Larrañaga

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

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thats exactly what i meant about "not wanting to be in paco's shoes", not the thought of living a life of luxury like what he had.

Really ? Dont be a hypocrite bai .. everyone does wishes they were PACO . Shyt I wish I was Paco , but if ever I am one I am not gonna be the Paco you guys knew .

moving forward,what's happening to him right now is the consequence of his own doing... karma has its way.. like i said before, it is unfair but people will always stereotype..

I agree with that 100 % . My queston is .... do you agree with our JUSTICE SYSTEM ?

im not contending whether he is innocent or not since im not in the position to do so.. What im trying to relay is, Paco will never be in the sh$t hole like where he is right now if he wasnt such an a-hole to begin with.

Not necessarily bai . As ive said , ang kawatan dili man sentensyaan ug silot na angay sa arsonista or kaha ang .45 dili man pwede balahan ug .38 . I myself was once a prick of all pricks , the ahole of all assholes ... point is , I never raped and killed nobody , I should go to jail huh ?? There is a fine line between KARMA and JUSTICE .

[pintado]

Really ? Dont be a hypocrite bai .. everyone does wishes they were PACO . Shyt I wish I was Paco , but if ever I am one I am not gonna be the Paco you guys knew .

i dont need to be a hypocrite bai.. why would i choose to wish to be like him, he aint the richest kid around..

I agree with that 100 % . My queston is .... do you agree with our JUSTICE SYSTEM ?

this is a no brainer, No..

Not necessarily bai . As ive said , ang kawatan dili man sentensyaan ug silot na angay sa arsonista or kaha ang .45 dili man pwede balahan ug .38 . I myself was once a prick of all pricks , the ahole of all assholes ... point is , I never raped and killed nobody , I should go to jail huh ?? There is a fine line between KARMA and JUSTICE .

point taken... You said it yourself theres a fine line between karma and justice... If paco is innocent, then being jailed is definitely injustice but is sure is karma...

[nocram]

@springfield....calma lang bai, anyway sama sa ingon sa uban,theres no such thing as perfect crime! and also theres no such thing as a perfect justice ok?? paco did it or not,sooner or later anyway his gonna get it,in the box or in a can.so u spoiled brats out there,u always expect what the consequences are.

[LytSlpr]

I would like to summarize the posts here as follows:

1. LytSlpr is Paco's foremost defender here. he contends that the ones (as in tanan?) jailed for the Chiong sisters rape case are all innocent and we have the real criminals still out there.

this is not my stand. i can only speak for paco. but if paco will be proven innocent, IMO there is a big chance makahig ang rest of the Chiong 7 because ma weaken man ang prosecution.

@LytSlpr: back to page 8 in this thread. I actually asked for you to expound on your statements as I can't seem to make peace with these.
this again is an admission of a less favorable reputation for Paco, correct? but you are brushing off the possibility that he may have committed the crime because he is too intelligent for the style? bro, i just cannot accept that, sorry.

probably, you just misunderstood me or got me in the wrong context. in a nutshell, what i meant was if paco committed rape and murder it would have not been how the chiong sisters were murdered.

[Ms.Beau]

...how ROTTEN our JUSTICES and the SYSTEM .

bro, I know you are damn so frustrated with the justice system and so are many people, i'm sure. we have a flawed justice system, no doubt. but in this case it has put most of the guilty guys behind bars, hasn't it? for that i would give the justice system a chance, some faith. the question really now is putting up enough evidence in favor of paco...but somehow what has been put out there is not--never--enough.

i'm not privy to paco-related matters and so i form my opinion from the information that is put out there and so far my impression has always has been that the people testifying for him may be credible, but not paco. most of you say that he may be criminally-minded but he would never commit rape or murder. HOW IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU KNOW? have you been to his mind? again, it's your faith on the testimonies of the people supporting him, testimonies found WANTING by the courts.

probably, you just misunderstood me or got me in the wrong context. in a nutshell, what i meant was if paco committed rape and murder it would have not been how the chiong sisters were murdered.

again, bro, I can never accept that as sound judgement. Tell me, have you been to his mind? Have you ever been to his criminal mind? don't you think your logic borders on denial?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

i dont need to be a hypocrite bai.. why would i choose to wish to be like him, he aint the richest kid around..

We are talking about a GOOD LIFE a person is LIVING , not the KIND of life he wants to LIVE and also not who is the RICHEST KID around .

this is a no brainer, No..

That is the issue here . The very fine line of KARMA and ROTTEN JUSTICE SYSTEM .

point taken... You said it yourself theres a fine line between karma and justice... If paco is innocent, then being jailed is definitely injustice but is sure is karma...

Not really , my point on the fine line . How about those GOOD CHRISTIANS and HONEST CITIZENS and was JAILED but INNOCENT individuals ? They are mere fall out or framed up guys . IS that KARMA for being GOOD ? I personally knew one .

@ NOCRAM .....

@springfield....calma lang bai, anyway sama sa ingon sa uban,theres no such thing as perfect crime! and also theres no such thing as a perfect justice ok??

Kalma ra man ko .. .. di man ko tig inuman ug kape kay maka nerbyos na ug ang nerbyoso ra ang angay mo kalma . All I did was explain sa mga ni support na na PRISO si Paco . I am not supporting PACO but I am supporting the issues that needs to be address and PACO is a good example of INJUSTICE . Dont use the CHIONG SISTERS as a medium and sympathize and be merry for what Paco got .

paco did it or not,sooner or later anyway his gonna get it,in the box or in a can.so u spoiled brats out there,u always expect what the consequences are.

Sama sa akong gi ingon lage , ang .45 dili pwede balahan ug .38 . Ang adik adik dili pwede sentensyahaan ug enrollment sa ALCOHOLIC ANONYMOUS . Ang bola na football dili pwede gamiton as a volleyball . nakuha na niom ang drift ? Ngano kasuhan man and suspect ug sentensya na pang RAPE and MURDER na iyang gi buhat nagpaugat , nanghingi , nagulata lang ? Wala pa nay apil sa mga walay gi buhat na dautan human gi priso gyud .

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

bro, I know you are damn so frustrated with the justice system and so are many people, i'm sure. we have a flawed justice system, no doubt. but in this case it has put most of the guilty guys behind bars, hasn't it? for that i would give the justice system a chance, some faith.

I am not frustrated to be honest with you . I dont even care because I am not subject to PHILIPPINE LAWS and REGULATIONS anymore . Though I renounced my citizenship , my heart knew where I belong .

the question really now is putting up enough evidence in favor of paco...but somehow what has been put out there is not--never--enough.

Because of the FLAWED JUSTICE SYSTEM ie :

- They prefer the testimonies of a deranged kid named Rustia over credible individuals .

i'm not privy to paco-related matters and so i form my opinion from the information that is put out there and so far my impression has always has been that the people testifying for him may be credible, but not paco. most of you say that he may be criminally-minded but he would never commit rape or murder.

I never said that . What I said was , he was SENTENCED to something he NEVER COMMITTED .

HOW IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU KNOW?

Because he was in Manila at the time of the CRIME . He has no superpowers to do such thing .... maski ang pinaka MULTI TASKING na SEXYTARY cant do that .

have you been to his mind? again, it's your faith on the testimonies of the people supporting him, testimonies found WANTING by the courts.

The court didnt want the testimonies . Its not even a testimony of ONLY people who supports him but people who knew PACO didnt do it and people who I knew so closely selosan mi sa akong asawa .

again, bro, I can never accept that as sound judgement. Tell me, have you been to his mind? Have you ever been to his criminal mind? don't you think your logic borders on denial?

YES .... criminals mind are only subject to PROVEN if GUILTY . Paco was misjudged because was NOT GUILTY .

[Ms.Beau]

ingon ani ra ni:

sa una kuno, we trust people until they they prove to be untrustworthy.

karong panahuna, we suspect people until they prove to be trustworthy.

this is just how life works now.

kaning sa kaso ni paco, he is a suspect (aw guilty jud diay matud pa sa korte) because of many supporting factors: rusia's testimony, his ties with josman and company, and his not-so-good reputation. the only supporting factors in his favor are his alibi of being absent at the time of the crime and the people supporting that alibi who are nonetheless close family friends. i should say common kaayu nang iyang alibi. that's something gani the courts would always consider to be a very weak alibi. samutan pa jud nga mga close family friends ang ni suporta. i want to point this out:
**lytslpr claims he is not that close to paco, but he strongly claims "paco wouldn't do such a crime coz he is just too intelligent for the mess." --> logic is not sound, bro. you have never been to his mind. this is akin to a mother saying that his son just couldn't commit the crime because he's a sweet kid. both are forms of denial, and we know that denial refuses to see the existence some truth.

again, you may cry unfair "justice" here but remember that it has taken most of the guilty ones behind bars. si paco ra man kaha ang inyung gi sympatyahan diri, kaning silang josman and others guilty man jud kaha. so let's give the justice system some credit. for me it was fair and protective to society that the accused were suspects until proven innocent. dili ni basta basta ang gi akusar nila, we are talking about heinous crimes here.

so that's just how it is for paco and his camp. he is suspect/guilty until proven innocent.

lastly. some of you have mentioned "karma" and "justice". i will not be splitting hairs, but mao ra ni akong masulti: some people have this lifestyle of hurting others and getting away with it. but life has always a way of making you accountable for your sins. when that time comes, it's a waste of time crying "unfair!". just face the consequences and work your way to change, to repentance, to working on having a good character and reputation this time. i believe that when one does that, life will duly respond.

(ey,still, merry christmas to everybody--suspects, guilty, and innocent...may peace start from within.)

[angelfyre]

-i dunno how the court would give credence to rusia's testimonies, when he's no saint himself. correct me if im wrong, but didnt rusia admit to raping one of the chiong sisters? and when he turned state witness, thelma chiong was fawning over him? seeing those photos, it made me cringe.

-paco's witnesses were his close family friends---- geez. its a no brainer that you would vouch for ur friend's presence if it is to save him from the gallows, its given. credibility wise, mas credible man ang witnesses ni paco, over rusia's statement. obviously, rusia wanted to save his own a$$ first. for the court to favor that crack's testi is beyond me.

-paco's alibi was weak----ive given this a lot of thought, sure his defense/alibi was rickety, but hasnt it occured to anyone that it could be bec. that was just it, that he was just in manila? that he cant bilocate? apparate/disapparate? if i were paco, and i was in manila when the crimes happened, why would i give another alibi, say something plausible, and only for it to be investigated, and later on the courts will find out that i was just lying, thus further putting me in a bad light? paco's lawyers werent stupid...why stick to that alibi, when im sure, they could conceive a more brilliant defense than that? bec. he was really in manila! they were sticking to the truth, no matter how flimsy it was.

Merry Christmas guys! springy lytslpr mango beau nocram, everyone, pro n anti paco!

[nocram]

well ....my conclusion is...the only people that knows if paco is guilty or not is paco himself,the rest of the chiong 7 and the chiong sisters.and the rest of us are just speculating.