Discussion on the Christ Jesus.

[Samsia]

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ask lang ko bro, what would you do if you received a gift like T-shirt (Lacoste) and was wrapped in a box with a nice wrapper?

This question is in connection with the verse Ephesian 2:8, as widely claimed and used by many religious group and born-again movement.

Peace!

If it is of value to me then I will receive it and thank the giver. If not, why should take it.

[Ironside]

Why did you use Hebrew 11:13 and supported it with Hebrews 11:1?
in Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

but the pronouncement of CHrist:

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
John 8:56

lain man gud kung muingon: "Your father Abraham, hundreds of years ago what Abraham did was that he WILL rejoice to see my day, hundred of years ago what Abraham did was that he WILL see it, and hundred of years ago what Abraham did was that he WILL be glad."


mas maayo pa kung:

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

and with this verse it didn't mentioned about the promise, about the substance of things hoped for and Christ was not yet introduced and Abraham didn't know that it was Christ that he saw.

Peace!

Ang Genesis 1:27 wala man ga mention og "puwet" para mutodlo si idol nimo nga naay "puwet" and Ginoo. Ngano niingon man si idol nimo nga naay "puwet" ang Ginoo based on Genesis 1:27. Wala man ga mention og "puwet" ang verse.


Ngano ingon man ka nga si idol na nimo ang naa sa Revelations 1:3 nga wala may mention diha nga siya na?

Ngano ingon man ka nga si idol na nimo ang naa sa Ecclesiastes 9 nga wala may mention diha sa iyang ngan?




About your statement: ........Abraham didn't know that it was Christ that he saw.


Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. John 8:56

[rcruman]

lain man gud kung muingon: "Your father Abraham, hundreds of years ago what Abraham did was that he WILL rejoice to see my day, hundred of years ago what Abraham did was that he WILL see it, and hundred of years ago what Abraham did was that heWILL be glad."

Nindota pagkaedit, ngano butangan man og "WILL" nga pagsulti ni Cristo kay past tense naman so meaning nahitabo na nga nalipay si Abraham.
You have seen my point, its past tense and its done already.

Ang Genesis 1:27 wala man ga mention og "puwet" para mutodlo si idol nimo nga naay "puwet" and Ginoo. Ngano niingon man si idol nimo nga naay "puwet" ang Ginoo based on Genesis 1:27. Wala man ga mention og "puwet" ang verse.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

In this verses bro naa ba nakabutang dinhi nga naay mata, kamot, tiil, heart, dunggan, baba og etc ang Ginoo?
So kung wala, sa ato pa dili diay ka tuo nga naay mata, kamot, tiil, heart, ears, baba ang Ginoo?

Kana lang sa.

Bro nangutana rako kung dili katubag aw ayaw nalang usba ang bible verse aron lang masakto ka. Let us be biblical and nothing more and less.

Peace!

[rcruman]

If it is of value to me then I will receive it and thank the giver. If not, why should take it.

Its the first step, to receive it.
Then Thank the giver.
But after you have receive it what would be the next step to the GIFT?

Peace!

[Ironside]

Nindota pagkaedit, ngano butangan man og "WILL" nga pagsulti ni Cristo kay past tense naman so meaning nahitabo na nga nalipay si Abraham.
You have seen my point, its past tense and its done already.

Christ was speaking from the vantage point of his time about Abraham in the past. He was glad and rejoiced upon seeing Christ's day. For he really saw it. And so the writer of Hebrews in connection with that wrote about it. I am not dogmatic about this though.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

In this verses bro naa ba nakabutang dinhi nga naay mata, kamot, tiil, heart, dunggan, baba og etc ang Ginoo?
So kung wala, sa ato pa dili diay ka tuo nga naay mata, kamot, tiil, heart, ears, baba ang Ginoo?

Kana lang sa.

Bro nangutana rako kung dili katubag aw ayaw nalang usba ang bible verse aron lang masakto ka. Let us be biblical and nothing more and less.

Peace!

Have you heard of ANTHROPOMOSPHISM RC? The Bible employs figures of speech rc. When you encounter them in it, you dont take them at face value, rather you look for the meaning behind the figure.

[Samsia]

Its the first step, to receive it.
Then Thank the giver.
But after you have receive it what would be the next step to the GIFT?

Peace!

What do you think would I do if i receive something that is valuable? Peace!

[rcruman]

What do you think would I do if i receive something that is valuable? Peace!

First open it to be revealed (as a gift wrapped with beautiful wrapper).
Then keep it and use it.

And salvation in the bible should be kept and used/applied.
Salvation is the Gospel and the Gospel should be kept and maintained until the end.

PEace!

[rcruman]

Christ was speaking from the vantage point of his time about Abraham in the past. He was glad and rejoiced upon seeing Christ's day. For he really saw it. And so the writer of Hebrews in connection with that wrote about it. I am not dogmatic about this though.

Hebrews 11:1 ,13?
Would you admit that Abraham really saw Christ?

Have you heard of ANTHROPOMOSPHISM RC? The Bible employs figures of speech rc. When you encounter them in it, you dont take them at face value, rather you look for the meaning behind the figure.

Then if the bible has figure of speech then we humans will figure it out?
Then where to look the meaning behind the figure? from our own head or from our pastors head or from the bible itself?

And lastly you keep on questioning about PUWET in Genesis 1:27, wala lagi nimo tubaga ako pangutana about sa imo sige balik or giinitan nga statement? here basaha og tubaga:

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

In this verses bro naa ba nakabutang dinhi nga naay mata, kamot, tiil, heart, dunggan, baba og etc ang Ginoo?
So kung wala, sa ato pa dili diay ka tuo nga naay mata, kamot, tiil, heart, ears, baba ang Ginoo?

Peace!

[Samsia]

Couldnt have said it better!
Peace too!

[Ironside]

And lastly you keep on questioning about PUWET in Genesis 1:27, wala lagi nimo tubaga ako pangutana about sa imo sige balik or giinitan nga statement? here basaha og tubaga:

Peace!

Look up the dictionary and find out the meaning of Anthropomorphism rc.

Let me say again here what i posted in the other thread:


After months of having discussions with you, I realized that you will not accept anything from people if they do not jibe with what your idol teaches. You are here actually to promote you idol's teachings and to bring people into conformity with it. From here on expect brief answers from me, except on occasions when it necessitates a long one.