Merged: Paco Larrañaga

[angelfyre]

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sori, double post. drunk kbord.

[heavenearth]

kanang testimony dali ra gyud na himuon.

example ha.: "Kun muingon ko karun nga si LytSlpr gibayaran sa mga relative ni Paco arun pag post diri sa istorya. D ba, mura sad ug katuhoan?"

Pareho ra na. those provided evidence were not admissable kay nakita sa judge nga klaro kaayo gihimo-himo ra.

Gibugoan nalang gyud mo sa Lower Court ug Supreme Court.

Na hala paningkamot mo nga mahimo mo nga Chief Justice arun inyo e open balik ang case.

[LytSlpr]

seems like karma hit them the hardest way =)

it seems like it but then again there is a time for everything under heaven... [Ecclesiastes 3: 1-8] and the world is round even for guys like them.

the possible lowering of sentence for the Uy brothers and commutation of the death penalty for the rest of the Chiong 7 are manifestations and proof that I was right in my predictions about this case. The theories are there but no vivid manifestations yet. For all we know, the real masterminds will be divulged 10-20 years from now pa.

[omar50071]

did i categorically call mango an idiot? care to read again and for the nth time please, please do everybody in this forum that you constantly pester a big favor and i believe that it is not only me, grow a brain, will ya?

How do you define this then?

somebody's getting personal. tsk.. tsk.. tsk.. define argue... some people just can't hack it. just give your opinion and views if you can endure an intelligent conversation. idiots normally result to bashing and worst, thread trashing which you are apparently doing.

Would you like me to dig up how you admitted being PAGARPAR?

[LytSlpr]

kanang testimony dali ra gyud na himuon.

example ha.: "Kun muingon ko karun nga si LytSlpr gibayaran sa mga relative ni Paco arun pag post diri sa istorya. D ba, mura sad ug katuhoan?"

Pareho ra na. those provided evidence were not admissable kay nakita sa judge nga klaro kaayo gihimo-himo ra.

Gibugoan nalang gyud mo sa Lower Court ug Supreme Court.

Na hala paningkamot mo nga mahimo mo nga Chief Justice arun inyo e open balik ang case.

first, the Larranagas did not pay me. Not even for an example. if you read my previous posts, in fact by affiliation, we are closer to the Chiongs.

secondly, i know for a fact that all the evidences Paco's family presented were not doctored. it's just that a plane ticket and pictures are just TECHNICALLY not admissible in court, at least not yet. WHY? because for a plane ticket, even if it is genuine, it is possible that the name on the ticket is not necessarily the person who travelled, especially for domestic flights. Even for flights abroad, it is still not admissible in court. Just like in Jason Webb's case. Even if they had witnessess saying he was in the U.S. and if I'm not mistaken even officers from the FBI and U.S. Dept. of State, it was still not accepted by the court.

I don't know if U.S. travel can be accepted as testimonies or evidence by OUR courts already because there is already biometric finger scanning when one arrives at the U.S. so that makes it very difficult to almost impossible to rig.

About the pictures, our courts does not accept them by a technicality and we don't have a law for it. In the U.S. they already accept pictures as evidence because they have the technology to determine the age of a picture.

Now, here in the Philippines even if we already have a technology to accept and determine the validity of these evidences it is still useless because WE HAVE NO ENABLING LAW in accepting such AFAIK.

The Big Question is during the autopsy of MariJoy, why did some quarters refused to have her examined by "higher experts"? If they were truly in the interest of justice then they should have allowed EVERYBODY to autopsy MariJoy and compare notes. This is also one of situations where serious reasons can be raised.

[LytSlpr]

How do you define this then?

Would you like me to dig up how you admitted being PAGARPAR?

first and foremost you are AS USUAL destroying this thread as well as an intelligent conversation.

secondly, the statement that you quoted may have implied it but STILL does not say it CATEGORICALLY, KAPISCH?

...and if i said that, I am quite sure it was triggered. i already explained this to the concerned party 13 posts ago. wala man gani mo balos ug explain ang tagtungod, nag una-una pa gyud ka. pang lawgaw ra na imoha dodong kay na init ka sa usa ka thread. pareho gyud ka sa aimong mga idol. hiig ra gyud ka mo sakay-sakay sa issue.

haven't you been reading the past posts? don't tell me you are uhmm... as well as you are uhmm...

do you even know the cardinal rule in public forums? challenge me intelectually or at least objectively then probably i will still have a little respect for you. ang kadaut nimo kung mahutdan na ka ug mga rason mo resort dayon ka ug pang-lagaw sa issue or name calling as what you demonstrated in another thread. mura ka ug rosanna roces and lolit solis combined, sobra kaayo ka ka intrigero.

[heavenearth]

first, the Larranagas did not pay me. Not even for an example. if you read my previous posts, in fact by affiliation, we are closer to the Chiongs.

secondly, i know for a fact that all the evidences Paco's family presented were not doctored. it's just that a plane ticket and pictures are just TECHNICALLY not admissible in court, at least not yet. WHY? because for a plane ticket, even if it is genuine, it is possible that the name on the ticket is not necessarily the person who travelled, especially for domestic flights. Even for flights abroad, it is still not admissible in court. Just like in Jason Webb's case. Even if they had witnessess saying he was in the U.S. and if I'm not mistaken even officers from the FBI and U.S. Dept. of State, it was still not accepted by the court.

I don't know if U.S. travel can be accepted as testimonies or evidence by OUR courts already because there is already biometric finger scanning when one arrives at the U.S. so that makes it very difficult to almost impossible to rig.

About the pictures, our courts does not accept them by a technicality and we don't have a law for it. In the U.S. they already accept pictures as evidence because they have the technology to determine the age of a picture.

Now, here in the Philippines even if we already have a technology to accept and determine the validity of these evidences it is still useless because WE HAVE NO ENABLING LAW in accepting such AFAIK.

The Big Question is during the autopsy of MariJoy, why did some quarters refused to have her examined by "higher experts"? If they were truly in the interest of justice then they should have allowed EVERYBODY to autopsy MariJoy and compare notes. This is also one of situations where serious reasons can be raised.

1. Give as evidence that you will not get paid. D ba lisod?

2. Give as also evidence that you are closed relative to chiong family than pacos family?

3. About examine by higher expert, give as all assurance that they will not be paid by the family of paco and most especially to you LytSlpr.

Can you?

[LytSlpr]

1. Give as evidence that you will not get paid. D ba lisod?

2. Give as also evidence that you are closed relative to chiong family than pacos family?

3. About examine by higher expert, give as all assurance that they will not be paid by the family of paco and most especially to you LytSlpr.

Can you?

1] that's very difficult especially proving it to you because you already have a mindset.

2] it is also my prerogative not to divulge our affiliations for ethical reasons because I and in fact our family knows both parties. plus, my security. heck, even the larranagas doesn't even know my existence in this forum nor his other witnesses.

3] as for this one, very simple! if the Larranagas will allow, then the Chiongs get the people from the offices or both parties agree to choose who and which U.S. or E.U. agency altogether.

I guess you'll just have to give me the benefit of the doubt and picture yourself in my shoes. If you are going to ask me what I am saying here is more beneficial to the Chiongs which fortunately or unfortunately for you will lead to the vindication of Paco and eventually weaken the prosecution which will "probably" exonerate the rest of the Chiong 7. But for me this is only consequential. It will be very painful for the Chiongs but if you come to think of it, it is more painful for the innocent because they are directly involved and they are still living. I know that it seems that murag die hard kaayo ko ni Paco because of my statements, questioning and theories BUT, the big BUT these things were not satisfied directly, objectively even without a tinge of bias.

As I have said, for people who knows this case and has been following it; there are still a very good number of WHY's and other serious questions left unanswered even if the SC has already decided and not even one forumer in this thread was able to OBJECTIVELY answer my questions not necessarily to convince me even if I discount the fact of my knowledge that Paco was indeed in Manila.

I am not here to defend Paco. I am not his lawyer not even a distant relative. I am here to have questions answered. Answers that will also probably answer my personal experience and doubts with our justice system as well as to correct, not prove wrong the way people think and act through these answers because people always have this notion na "Supreme Court na gud na! Do you think you know better than the Supreme Court?" Also to prove that these people can be paid and manipulate cases even of this magnitude, in this case not Larranagas and not necessarily the Chiongs are the payors.

Remember that during Erap's time he had the DOJ by the collar as well as NBI and PNP and they can even kill rich, prominent and influential personalities with the right interest and motive. This may still be a theory right now and very far out but kamo na lang "connect the dots".

For you who are obviously FOR the Chiongs, pause for a second reset your heart and mind and try to consider, just try to consider that Paco was indeed in Manila and was just mistakenly identified. Wouldn't that significantly change the course or the decision of this case which is a good thing because a re-investigation will be done and they will go after the real killers? Because IMO, the souls of the Chiong sisters are still not at rest because I know it for the fact the real killers and masterminds are still out there.

[heavenearth]

1. i will change my mindset if you have the evidence pero kun puro lang ka istorya with no evidence, then its hard for you to convince everyone that you will not get paid.

2. so you have no evidence presented, so dili gyud diay mo relative sa mga chiong. istorya rana imo.

3. humana bitaw na gi examine. those people are really expert for that job.

so good luck nalang sa imo kawsa kay lisod gyud me nimo maconvince especially to those who convince with no evidence presented and come up with principles which is the result of money.

[LytSlpr]

1. i will change my mindset if you have the evidence pero kun puro lang ka istorya with no evidence, then its hard for you to convince everyone that you will not get paid.

2. so you have no evidence presented, so dili gyud diay mo relative sa mga chiong. istorya rana imo.

3. humana bitaw na gi examine. those people are really expert for that job.

so good luck nalang sa imo kawsa kay lisod gyud me nimo maconvince especially to those who convince with no evidence presented and come up with principles which is the result of money.

now that's accusation but that's okay. i am not here to validate myself but for people to consider the facts presented and for them to weigh for themselves. it's really that simple.

how would i present evidence? meet you? haha!! i have no intention to and i don't need to explain myself to you personally. the ideas, theories and questions i raised here are enough. this is not about me, this is about the case. i have no evidence to present because they have all been presented alread but it was not accepted. this is not about a weak or inadmissible evidence or testimonies, this is about how it was processed.

lastly, no offense but you exactly have the same frame of mind with Thelma Chiong that is why there is no point in raising any point to you because you have become blind and deaf but certainly not mute because of the pain of the experience. that is a classic symptom of denial.

nevertheless, i sincerely hope the the chiongs find lasting peace without covering or burying something in their hearts. the kind of peace that will truly set them free, the kind of peace the only truth can give.

try to comfort yourselves everyday that ALL those who witnessed for Paco that he was in Manila ARE ALL LIARS and PAID. Not to mention the stigma it left them them by the highest level of our justice system.