MERGED: Gay Marriage in the Philippines

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okay. So its the Church's stand not yours. I thought were here to support stands with our own and have we's. I was hoping that what you have been posting is your own stand about the thread.

Do you know what is a CHURCH ? Who are the CHURCH ? I do hope you are not referring to the STRUCTURE and the very people who runs it .

y not? its been mentioned many times here. youre not getting my point. Im saying - if you say gay marriage is against the teachings of your church and is totally a disgrace to your Sacrament of Matrimony, whats your credibility to declare that? how do you expect people to accept that?

Does it really need my credibility or anyones credibility ? Open your eyes BRAD . I think its you who is not getting the drift .

I think the reason why the thread exists is for people like us to post our views and opinions, not to re echo what your church is saying. If this thread was meant for people to just either say the same what your church is saying or not oppose it at all, then this thread dont make any sense at all.

Nobody is stopping you to make a statement , but at least dili redundant . All your issues were answered , explained and lifted so as to avoid confusion and , misconceptions and misleadings . Thats why I said , scan earlier post and get involved with the thread by knowing the characters , the core , the subjects etc otherwise we are just beating the bush here .

Yes, Im being general with my comment because its what I feel that could make people liek you wake up that - their wrong is theirs, and your wrong is yours, unless you havent done anything wrong at all for you to say nga ipanglansang silas krus. Youre way too righteous to say that brad. biliba naku.[/COLOR]

People like you grasp issues very literal . Of course dili nimo ilansang sa kurus ang bayot or tomboy oi , but in the same context ... that is meant as HOMOSEXUALS being CONDEMN and that is because they are DISRESPECTING the CHURCH . Now tell me where you can fit the word RIGHTEOUSNESS in there maski mo hitch lang .

True ... what is mine is mine , what is theirs , well ilaha pod . Too bad BRAD , the SACRAMENT of MATRIMONY is theirs to enjoy as a gift from the HOLY SPIRIT . Its for the STAIGHT PEOPLE . MAN and WOMAN . ADAM and EVE . BOY and GIRL . HE and SHE .

[3nZ0y]

its not a morality issue for them... I think this is the one they want most.

well, if this is the only thing u want. U could call it differently and get same results. instead of same s3x Marriage. say.... "Same s3x Union with Benefits from Government."

make it sound convincing. You dont have to mess up whats been there for thousands of years just so you can get straight couples benefits like proper medical treatment, tax exemptions, easy adoption of kids, etc.

if you want straight couples benefits then be straight couples. Dont mess up what has been here even before you were born!

Very Stupid. how can you say that people are created for the benefit of the law when people themselves create the law.

there is even no Or statement here.

There you go!

People like you grasp issues very literal . Of course dili nimo ilansang sa kurus ang bayot or tomboy oi , but in the same context ... that is meant as HOMOSEXUALS being CONDEMN and that is because they are DISRESPECTING the CHURCH . Now tell me where you can fit the word RIGHTEOUSNESS in there maski mo hitch lang .

Kindly tell that to the homosexual pedophiles behind the pulpit.

True ... what is mine is mine , what is theirs , well ilaha pod . Too bad BRAD , the SACRAMENT of MATRIMONY is theirs to enjoy as a gift from the HOLY SPIRIT . Its for the STAIGHT PEOPLE . MAN and WOMAN . ADAM and EVE . BOY and GIRL . HE and SHE .

A gift from holy spirit? Hmmmm....how about the muslims then?

Just a thought, if a gay (who does not confess for some reason) marries a woman, is it moral? Is it a 'gift from holy spirit'? Is it good for their children?

wala nay ayo ang pinas ani kung tugutan ni same *** marriage...

Care to explain more?

[Butchokoy]

Do you know what is a CHURCH ? Who are the CHURCH ? I do hope you are not referring to the STRUCTURE and the very people who runs it .



Does it really need my credibility or anyones credibility ? Open your eyes BRAD . I think its you who is not getting the drift .



Nobody is stopping you to make a statement , but at least dili redundant . All your issues were answered , explained and lifted so as to avoid confusion and , misconceptions and misleadings . Thats why I said , scan earlier post and get involved with the thread by knowing the characters , the core , the subjects etc otherwise we are just beating the bush here .



People like you grasp issues very literal . Of course dili nimo ilansang sa kurus ang bayot or tomboy oi , but in the same context ... that is meant as HOMOSEXUALS being CONDEMN and that is because they are DISRESPECTING the CHURCH . Now tell me where you can fit the word RIGHTEOUSNESS in there maski mo hitch lang .

True ... what is mine is mine , what is theirs , well ilaha pod . Too bad BRAD , the SACRAMENT of MATRIMONY is theirs to enjoy as a gift from the HOLY SPIRIT . Its for the STAIGHT PEOPLE . MAN and WOMAN . ADAM and EVE . BOY and GIRL . HE and SHE .

Do you know what is a CHURCH ? Who are the CHURCH ? I do hope you are not referring to the STRUCTURE and the very people who runs it .<< so, what is the Church for you? dont it include the people who run it? the people who belong to it? and the structure that that its built?can you call it a church without the people running it? Ikaw man tingay ang wa kasabot ug church brad basing on your question. paeta.

Definition: A body of Christian believers, holding the same creed, observing the same rites, and acknowledging the same ecclesiastical authority; a denomination; as, the Roman Catholic church; the Presbyterian church.

Does it really need my credibility or anyones credibility ? Open your eyes BRAD . I think its you who is not getting the drift .<<< this is funny. so you as the one who receives an argument just take the words without considering credibility of the one presenting the argument? sa ato pa - kung mo argue nimo ang tawng himabaye about faithfulness, mutuo ka? tsk tsk..

Nobody is stopping you to make a statement , but at least dili redundant . All your issues were answered , explained and lifted so as to avoid confusion and , misconceptions and misleadings . Thats why I said , scan earlier post and get involved with the thread by knowing the characters , the core , the subjects etc otherwise we are just beating the bush here .<< hmmm..you have a good point here and yes I didnt read every post there is in this thread. Is it a requirement? in the first place, when I posted my comment, It wasnt specific to your post, and you got it right! I am being general because I cannot be specific if I havent really read all the posts! naigo lang tingay kas akong gi post maong nilagaak ka.

People like you grasp issues very literal . Of course dili nimo ilansang sa kurus ang bayot or tomboy oi , but in the same context ... that is meant as HOMOSEXUALS being CONDEMN and that is because they are DISRESPECTING the CHURCH . Now tell me where you can fit the word RIGHTEOUSNESS in there maski mo hitch lang . <<hahaa!! people like me grasp issues literally..hmmm..basin maglalis na sad tag unsay meaning sa literal ani. I dnt want to go down there so sabta na lang. Grabeha na nimog words oi, CONDEMN (naa ba ni ED dapat?) jud! so again, for you they are disrespecting your church. Im there, i understand you. It is a considerable disrespect to your church, did I oppose that? If you notice in my post, I always sight "their wrong", so I am acknowledging that it could be wrong...right? and RIGHTEOUSNESS - listen to yourself - you define the word as how you think you are.

[Butchokoy]

True ... what is mine is mine , what is theirs , well ilaha pod . Too bad BRAD , the SACRAMENT of MATRIMONY is theirs to enjoy as a gift from the HOLY SPIRIT . Its for the STAIGHT PEOPLE . MAN and WOMAN . ADAM and EVE . BOY and GIRL . HE and SHE .

thats according to your belief influenced by your church - should this reflect my belief? No. For me, being gay is nothing special - were all the same and equal (i dont think I need to explain further). getting married is a decision that some gay people think is good for them. Then let them be! if were against it because we believe theyre condemned for doing so, then fine! it speaks so much of how fanatical you are to your church. The question again is - is your being obedient to the sacraments of your church limited to Gay Marriage? So you condemn gay marriage because you are straight? and that you are rightfully umbrellaed by such teaching? then you are an "assuming" righteous in that sense.

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so, what is the Church for you? dont it include the people who run it? the people who belong to it? and the structure that that its built?can you call it a church without the people running it? Ikaw man tingay ang wa kasabot ug church brad basing on your question. paeta

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BRAD , ngano gi balik man nimo ang question nako ? You still answered it wrong . Answer it correctly first before you make me answer it .

this is funny. so you as the one who receives an argument just take the words without considering credibility of the one presenting the argument? sa ato pa - kung mo argue nimo ang tawng himabaye about faithfulness, mutuo ka? tsk tsk..

You dont jump into conclusions . Sa imohang example na himbabaye , every coin has two sides . Yet did you know naa pa third side gyud ? That finding out if indeed ang imohang ka argue is a true person who is really an UNFAITHFUL one and trying to talk about FAITHFULLNESS ? In this case , what are you suggesting ? Na I am here talking about HOMOSEXUALITY and I have to GAY just to nail a point ? LOL . Now tell me who is funny .

[quote]hmmm..you have a good point here and yes I didnt read every post there is in this thread. Is it a requirement? in the first place, when I posted my comment, It wasnt specific to your post, and you got it right! I am being general because I cannot be specific if I havent really read all the posts! naigo lang tingay kas akong gi post maong nilagaak ka.[/color]

Not necessarily because you know what ? If you only read then there is no need for you to make a statement since all your issues were already covered . What would happen is , you just keep it to yourself and ponder on it . Not that it is a requirement but like I said , we would end up beating the bush just klike what is happening right now .

hahaa!! people like me grasp issues literally..hmmm..basin maglalis na sad tag unsay meaning sa literal ani. I dnt want to go down there so sabta na lang. Grabeha na nimog words oi, CONDEMN (naa ba ni ED dapat?) jud! so again, for you they are disrespecting your church. Im there, i understand you. It is a considerable disrespect to your church, did I oppose that? If you notice in my post, I always sight "their wrong", so I am acknowledging that it could be wrong...right? and RIGHTEOUSNESS - listen to yourself - you define the word as how you think you are.

What do you mean by this :

" unless you havent done anything wrong at all for you to say nga ipanglansang silas krus"

UNless you can quickly say that you are not referring it as a LITERAL STATEMENT .

For me , they are disrespecting the CHURCH ? INtawn oi , its not my call nor judgement or whatever you call it , its every call and belief of the CHRISTIANS who believes the CHRISTIAN DOCTRINES .

By the way its not SIGHT , its CITE. LOL !

Asa lage nimo i insert ang word na RIGHTEOUSNESS in between the words na DISRESPECT and HOMOSEXUALTIY ?

thats according to your belief influenced by your church - should this reflect my belief? No. For me, being gay is nothing special - were all the same and equal (i dont think I need to explain further). getting married is a decision that some gay people think is good for them. Then let them be! if were against it because we believe theyre condemned for doing so, then fine! it speaks so much of how fanatical you are to your church.

Its not a belief that influenced me and many others at my age . Its an understanding of its SACREDNESS and why and how we embraced it . That is the problem , people like you can quickly say we are FANATICS the moment we say something in accordance of the CANON LAW . Thats is purely IGNORANCE mind you .

WHo said that I am against the MARRIAGE of the people of the same gender ? They can get married anytime , anywhere they want but they dont use the RITES of the HOLY MATRIMONY . Dili ba naay kasal sa huwes ? Why dont they get married kaha in accordance to the MUSLIM RITES ? Are you in the same page now BRAD ?

The question again is - is your being obedient to the sacraments of your church limited to Gay Marriage? So you condemn gay marriage because you are straight? and that you are rightfully umbrellaed by such teaching? then you are an "assuming" righteous in that sense.

Wrong analogy ka . Wala lage labot ang RIGHTEOUSNESS diri kay we are talking about sa KALAPASAN na gi himo sa KABAYOTAN . They are DISRESPECTING the church , unsay wala pa man nimo nakuha diri ? Accepted na sila sa society , respected na sila sa society , pero ngano mag minyo pa man jud gamit ang rites lage sa Sagrado Katoliko ?

@3nZ0y ...

Kindly tell that to the homosexual pedophiles behind the pulpit.

Is there a need ? For two things , they already know and second , did they disrespect the church by getting married ?

A gift from holy spirit? Hmmmm....how about the muslims then?

Didnt you know ? Unsay labot sa muslims pod ? We keep on repeating ngano di man mo sa muslims magpakasal ? Unsay tubag ninyo ?

Just a thought, if a gay (who does not confess for some reason) marries a woman, is it moral? Is it a 'gift from holy spirit'? Is it good for their children?

WHy not ? As long as a he can be a GOOD FATHER and a RESPONSIBLE HUSBAND , who are we to judge him ?

Pero as long as they are not MARRIED in accordance to the HOLY MATRIMONY then it is a sin .

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question lang.... are we talking about civil nga marriage or sa church?

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[3nZ0y]

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@3nZ0y ...



Is there a need ? For two things , they already know and second , did they disrespect the church by getting married ?

Yes, they know. But did they do something about it? No, because they stand for their priest. We stand for our rights. Now, which is more important: the profession or the Human Rights?

No, they don't disrespect the church by getting married. They just disrespect the believers with their hypocrisy and the disrespect the all-loving god by limiting only to the straight couples the 'gift of love' and the chance to share it.

. Didnt you know ? Unsay labot sa muslims pod ? We keep on repeating ngano di man mo sa muslims magpakasal ? Unsay tubag ninyo ?

Sorry if you did not get my question. You said that matrimony is a gift from the holy spirit. I don't know where you got that idea so I asked how about the muslims who do not believe in the holy spirit? Where do they get the 'gift of matrimony'?

Are you asking ngano dili sa muslim magpakasal?
[1] Dili mi muslim.
[2] They don't have same *** marriage.

.WHy not ? As long as a he can be a GOOD FATHER and a RESPONSIBLE HUSBAND , who are we to judge him ?

Yes, he may be a good father. But he is still a gay father. What if in his forties mogawas iyaha pagka bayot. Don't you think maka affect na sa mga anak? As for the responsible husband? I don't know. Wa ta kahibawo kay basin si kumpare nga ka inom niya iyahang unayon.

This might be OT but I am just trying to show nga forcing a person to be someone he isn't is not entirely a good thing. Lying to yourself just so the society can accept you has its setbacks.

.Pero as long as they are not MARRIED in accordance to the HOLY MATRIMONY then it is a sin .

That 'HOLY MATRIMONY' you are so proud of is not an original from the Roman Catholic. It is also an adaptation. So I don't understand why you are crying foul over a Christian group who also adapts your idea of 'HOLY MATRIMONY'--though I personally don't know what is so holy about that.

[Butchokoy]

No point in arguing here. Some people are so close minded to their books. Theyre not living the real sense of humanity. They confine themselves to the teachings of some Crooked Mythical, Legendary, fanatical, misled, Business oriented, powerplaying, Self - righteous, Greedy, phedophiliac, etc.. etc.. Community. It is funny that these some people advocate sacraments as argued only on Gay Marriage, and they dont want to include other sacramental activities which should equally bear the same effect in wrongness.

I rest my case. I may not be gay, but I know how it is to be human and I know that no one will ever have the right to make judgements to anyone on basis of what I want in my life. Not the priests, not any book, not the lawmen, and certainly not "just" anyone.

Peace is everything to me.

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[COLOR="DarkSlateBlue"]Yes, they know. But did they do something about it? No, because they stand for their priest. We stand for our rights. Now, which is more important: the profession or the Human Rights?

That is an accusation out of what you read and hear and not what you really know .

No, they don't disrespect the church by getting married. They just disrespect the believers with their hypocrisy and the disrespect the all-loving god by limiting only to the straight couples the 'gift of love' and the chance to share it.

Seriously , are you getting the drift here ? There is no problem with the HOMOSEXUALS to get married as long as the union of their love is bound by something else and not from the rites of SACRAMENT of MARRIAGE . Did you follow thew MCC website , research about them and find out unsa na rites ilahang gi gamit ?

Sorry if you did not get my question. You said that matrimony is a gift from the holy spirit. I don't know where you got that idea so I asked how about the muslims who do not believe in the holy spirit? Where do they get the 'gift of matrimony'?

Lol ... isnt it obvious why they dont believe in the Holy Spirit ? But it doesnt mean the muslims dont have their own rites or rituals in marriage .

Are you asking ngano dili sa muslim magpakasal?
[1] Dili mi muslim.
[2] They don't have same *** marriage.

And since when ang mga CHRISTIANS naay SAME S3X MARRIAGE ?

Yes, he may be a good father. But he is still a gay father. What if in his forties mogawas iyaha pagka bayot. Don't you think maka affect na sa mga anak? As for the responsible husband? I don't know. Wa ta kahibawo kay basin si kumpare nga ka inom niya iyahang unayon.

That is the whole point , all you can come up with are SPECULATIONS when in fact , you should be focused more sa REALITY . That in the first place , ngano makig minyo man ang isa ka BAYOT sa isa ka GIRL ? SHOTGUN MARRIAGE ? Tell that to the marines .

This might be OT but I am just trying to show nga forcing a person to be someone he isn't is not entirely a good thing. Lying to yourself just so the society can accept you has its setbacks.

Exactly ! And mismo kamo kahibalo na bawal ang HOMOSEXUALITY sa BIBLIYA , RELIHIYON , mga TUDLO ug DOKTRINA ngano mamugos man mo ma minyo gamit ang ritual sa Sagrado Katoliko ?

That 'HOLY MATRIMONY' you are so proud of is not an original from the Roman Catholic. It is also an adaptation. So I don't understand why you are crying foul over a Christian group who also adapts your idea of 'HOLY MATRIMONY'--though I personally don't know what is so holy about that.

Aw adaptation ra diay na ? From whom ? Karon pa ko lol .Although I apologized na di diay ni siya gifts from thr Holy SPirit but still it carries SACREDNESS because these are SACRAMENTS and the HOLY MATRIMONY is one of them .

See for yourself now how you mga BRADS takes it figuratively . Taking it for granted because it is not HOLY and its ok gamiton sa mga KABALSTUGAN sa mga KABAYOTAN .

@BUTCHUKOY ...

You may not GAY , but are you a CATHOLIC or a CHRISTIAN for that matter ? Ayaw na ug likua ... just answer that question .

Before I will answer or clarify this statement :

"They confine themselves to the teachings of some Crooked Mythical, Legendary, fanatical, misled, Business oriented, powerplaying, Self - righteous, Greedy, phedophiliac, etc.. etc.. Community."