Merged: Paco Larrañaga

[slakker]

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if paco is not guilty, then he must have done something really bad to deserve this kind of karma...

[LytSlpr]

And you thought you're worth something....some people just cant hide their PAGARPAR habit cant you?

Yeah right mango is a grown person for you to call him "idiot".....and what do you call yourself?

did i categorically call mango an idiot? care to read again and for the nth time please, please do everybody in this forum that you constantly pester a big favor and i believe that it is not only me, grow a brain, will ya?

[LytSlpr]

@lytslpr

Isn't your surname Urgello ? Then you must be rich and powerful too like Sonny Osmena your in-law. Brother ka ni Lucy ? Or uncle or nephew or what? If you're not an Urgello, then you must either be lying or nag pagarpar na sad since you claimed member man kaha ka sa clan nila.
If yes, I can understand why " galit ka sa mundo", dodong. Done deal naman sad ang Lahug airport. Sorry nalang. Ngano diay- wa mo makadawat sa halin? Kamalas jud nimo diay dodong. Pero ayaw lang pangamong. If you're mad with the people involved in that issue- direct your ire to the proper forum. What has this case got to do with your problem that you have to mention it here? Unless, it's the same judge who's involved.
Btw, what really happened with the Lahug airport deal diay?

Bitaw, bro- kalma lang. Serious ra kaau ka uy. You're too hasty in name-calling people man gud. You must remember, it takes one to know one. Ok raman ko if you call me idiot. I'M JUST TAKING YOUR LEAD. I've been monitoring this thread quite a bit and I think you ought to slow down cause you're already hurting people by your irresponsible statements. You have to respect other people's opinions if you want others to respect yours. Don't ever ram your opinion regarding Paco's innocence down other people's throats since as you said, a lot of people have already decided that he's guilty. Pasagdi lang gud ang uban tao. Magbuot diay ka? Sigun pa ni Lito Osmena sa una, magbuot mo- di ba gikan naman jud na sa kaliwat ninyo?

Accept the fact that you 'll never be able to influence everyone if name-calling is how you plan on convincing all and sundry. Nag sige naman gud ka ug pangaway. It'd be better if hinay2x lang ka kay basin mabukog hinoon ka. It'd be best if you'll finally be enlightened this Xmas season.

Happy holidays to you and your family.

1] We don't belong to the same clan. As I've said, we are associated by affiliation by both parties.

2] Di ko "galit sa mundo". I was just stating an obvious injustice. RE: Lahug Airport. you can read the full story in this thread. meaning justice can be manipulated to the highest level. and btw, it's not the same judge involved. That's all there is to it, nothing more.

3] I wasn't name calling. Can you quote the statement of me doing such? on the other hand, it was you who resorted to name calling. kindly read back

lastly, i am not here to force paco's innocence on anybody's throat. i just present the facts that i know after all this is a free-forum. i can understand that people gets edgy when i present such facts and my pesonal opinion. i believe that is out of my hand already and is not my fault.

but i definitely would not hesitate to give some people here a dose of their own medicine if they resort to bashing, thread thrashing, sarcasm and name calling.

[angelfyre]

hahay boys n girls! merry christmas oi...


@lytslpr: i used to believe that they were guilty too, until a very good friend, who was wid paco in manila, told me the whole story. and this friend wouldnt lie to me about something like that. maybe kaila ra atong friends he's in the US now tho. i dont know why wla sya gpa testify when he wanted to man unta. my friend's story was affirmed/collaborated by a journalist i know, who was one of the first na journalist who was privileged (for lack of a better word) na g allow pag enter sa room ni judge ocampo.

[LytSlpr]

hahay boys n girls! merry christmas oi...


@lytslpr: i used to believe that they were guilty too, until a very good friend, who was wid paco in manila, told me the whole story. and this friend wouldnt lie to me after something like that. maybe kaila ra atong friends he's in the US now tho. i dont know why wla sya gpa testify when he wanted to man unta.

same here, if only i didn't knew it for a fact that Paco was in Manila at that time; then I would also have believed that they were guilty too because of their notoriety but that is not enough cause for the Chiong 7 or at least Paco to be convicted right?

i can also understand the reaction of people here when we are on the unpopular side.

[LytSlpr]

if paco is not guilty, then he must have done something really bad to deserve this kind of karma...

probably, when they find the answer to this question maybe that would be the only time they will learn to accept their fate regardless of the injustice. more than ever, they should have more faith now because there is a God, the world is round and there is a day for reckoning even for scumbags like them. everything happens for a reason.

some people just cannot see this perception nor rise to this level of understanding because they are still in the level of hate and denial even if they don't know these people or privy to the case. they just want to express their views without a speck or basis or information but what they want to believe or how it is presented by media.

when they became suspects they were already convicted even if the trial did not yet commence.

IMO for the following reasons: their reputation, the family of the victims, media, clamor of the masses for blood and still a mysterious motive which majority of the people find preposterous.

[nocram]

lytslpr,we need evidence,proof,not just witnesses coz witnesses sometimes r not reliable.what about plane tickets,reciepts or credit card transactions,wa gyud?ug about lagi aning imong ingon nga gi pick up cla tungod sa ilang police records,very poor reason man na,kay mas daghan pa man nila ang grabe ug record,unya cla pa gud ang gipili? cla pa nga mga dili mga ordinaryong tawo.kung gusto lang nila(police) nga mangita ug fall guy na ay daghan diha nga way mga hinungdan,mga snatcher,holdaper,addict unsa pa?

[LytSlpr]

lytslpr,we need evidence,proof,not just witnesses coz witnesses sometimes r not reliable.what about plane tickets,reciepts or credit card transactions,wa gyud?ug about lagi aning imong ingon nga gi pick up cla tungod sa ilang police records,very poor reason man na,kay mas daghan pa man nila ang grabe ug record,unya cla pa gud ang gipili? cla pa nga mga dili mga ordinaryong tawo.kung gusto lang nila(police) nga mangita ug fall guy na ay daghan diha nga way mga hinungdan,mga snatcher,holdaper,addict unsa pa?

they were able to provide all the evidences you mentioned but inadmissible daw. for one, pictures and plane tickets are not strong evidences daw because technically these are not documents and can easily be doctored. if i'm not mistaken a witness' testimony is stronger than any evidence.

back to the fall guy angle, they were the only ones who pretty much fit the profile of spoiled, influential rich kids.

now on the conspiracy angle, these kids were not mere fall guys. they truly believe somebody wants to badly get back at them. these people allegedly have mauled a couple of somewhat kids not necessarily rich but influential and prominent families too. i cannot name names though because that would be sensitive and privileged information that's why i am not at lliberty to say who they are suspecting.

[tolstoi]

these people allegedly have mauled a couple of somewhat kids

seems like karma hit them the hardest way =)

[angelfyre]

lytslpr,we need evidence,proof,not just witnesses coz witnesses sometimes r not reliable.what about plane tickets,reciepts or credit card transactions,wa gyud?ug about lagi aning imong ingon nga gi pick up cla tungod sa ilang police records,very poor reason man na,kay mas daghan pa man nila ang grabe ug record,unya cla pa gud ang gipili? cla pa nga mga dili mga ordinaryong tawo.kung gusto lang nila(police) nga mangita ug fall guy na ay daghan diha nga way mga hinungdan,mga snatcher,holdaper,addict unsa pa?

just because u have a record doesnt qualify u as criminal. sure, these kids are not reli well behaved. the media crucified them. the media has the tendency to blow things out of proportion, esp if they are spoiled, bratty kids. dont u see a pattern wid our papers? if sum1 in the limelight is "powerful", oh well u get the drill. take the example of faelnar. he is in the news now, hit n run daw. but for all we know, these things are exaggerated, prolly orchestrated by political enemies. sori for the OT, but im just citing an example ba. and ya, lytslpr was right, those evidences they provided, were not admissable daw.