Did you read any of Ayn Rand's work?

[saosin_demo]

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Can't wait to finish reading fountainhead.

[gareb]

and this is the tricky part. because randian ethics is not only selfish but also deontological. how could one conceived of an deontological selfish ethics? thats Rand.

i can't pretent to be an expert on Rand, nor can i fully expound on the loopholes in her philosophy as i some of her concepts (and that of her critics) are beyond me. it's because everytime i try and approach her ideas, it always leaves me with a bad taste in the mouth afterwards, and everything i get out of her in that limited exposure is something i find simply repulsive. i have learned to give up on her as i find it quite pointless to pursue her world that i deem is only effective on paper.

perhaps you can enlighten us more on Randian Objectivism, in terms we can better understand? i believe i am not the only one who'd find it worthwhile to have her ideas brought down from the pedestal to commune with us ordinary mortals. gods and titans, despite all the vitriolic exchanges about ther nature, haven't been proven to exist anyway. :mrgreen:

[Egoist]

ok

[paper]

Ive read Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged years ago and as far as I can remember, I enjoyed it. Been meaning to read Anthem but what I have is an ebook. kapoy basa sa pc.

[Nino Gonzales]

Hello, Ayn Rand fans. This is very interesting. Rand appears again and again in conversations I have with people, but I don't think I can squeeze her in my reading list in the next few years. So perhaps you can help me with some questions...

If you agree with Ayn Rand, are you a libertarian?
If you agree with Ayn Rand, do you belong to the Right Wing? (You're definitely not Left...)
Is Ayn Rand a feminist? (It seems that feminism believes in correcting the systemic bias of society against women, something which an individualist would probably shy away from...)
Where did you first hear of Ayn Rand?
Do you think the current popularity of Ayn Rand is a backlash of the previous generation's leftish tendency (one old guy told me that back in his time, if you weren't a communist, you did not have a heart)
Are God, Church and Religion good or bad things in the philosophy of Ayn Rand?
Is Nationalism good or bad in Rand's philosophy?
How does Ayn Rand view "Race"?
Is there such things as "Good" or "Bad" in Rand's philosophy? Or is there such thing as objective morality?

[kyawbong]

naa man movie the fountainhead..

[The_Child]

If you agree with Ayn Rand, are you a libertarian?
If you agree with Ayn Rand, do you belong to the Right Wing? (You're definitely not Left...)
Is Ayn Rand a feminist? (It seems that feminism believes in correcting the systemic bias of society against women, something which an individualist would probably shy away from...)
Where did you first hear of Ayn Rand?
Do you think the current popularity of Ayn Rand is a backlash of the previous generation's leftish tendency (one old guy told me that back in his time, if you weren't a communist, you did not have a heart)
Are God, Church and Religion good or bad things in the philosophy of Ayn Rand?
Is Nationalism good or bad in Rand's philosophy?
How does Ayn Rand view "Race"?
Is there such things as "Good" or "Bad" in Rand's philosophy? Or is there such thing as objective morality?


libertarian? not to the fullest extent of significant leaning.

right wing? of course not. well that depends on where you are. a certain country's left is another country's right.

ayn rand is not a feminist.

the owner of "Libris" in market! market! taguig introduced me to her, a long time ago.

more likely, if you read ayn rand's biography, one would realize that her philosophy sprang from her experience against what she deemed to be the oppressive and evil Soviet Russia her homeland where she suffered, and her family properties were confiscated by the government.

God, Church, Religion are Evils in RAnd's philosophy. they are superstition for her.


nationalism is bad for rand's philosophy because she does not adhere to collective rights, that a state is only form out of a voluntary social contract, where the State's function is only to serve as a safeguard to individual rights, nothing more, nothing less.

"race" is of no importance.


there is a good and bad, she went so far as to say, that all actions are either good or bad. and she advocated for an Objective/Rational Ethics.

[M.A.D.]

She also made a comment how the native american indians would not give up their ancestral lands to the white people.

She said something about why they would not want to give up their land when they would not have any use for it anyway. Because the white people know how to exploit the land while the native americans just leave it for the buffalos.

It would also be disturbing to know that some supporters of globalisation might be ardent fans of ayn rand. If her teachings would comprise the yolk of globalisation then it is something we should seriously consider.

One of the goals of globalisation is to privatize the government assets. This could include energy generating infrastructures which will belong to the few who can manipulate the cost of energy and force the masses to submission.

Can I say they are already globalizing Iraq's oil?

On a side note, how about Niccolo Machiavelli? Maybe his works can also make an excellent supplementary reading to harness that evil inside each and everyone of us. :mrgreen:

Anyway, I still don't have money(or a job) to afford any one of the aforementioned books(damn!).

Damn you lucky people.

[gareb]

If you agree with Ayn Rand, are you a libertarian?

in a sense, yes. libertarianism is essentially divided into two distinct sides, social libertarianism (left-wing and closely resembles social anarchism) and right libertarianism (which closely resembles individualist anarchism) . Rand's Objectivism is closer to the latter, though it has its own set of irreconcilable differences.

If you agree with Ayn Rand, do you belong to the Right Wing?

essentially, yes. when one uses either term 'right wing' or 'left wing',it is immediately understood that he/she is ponting towards the economic side of a political ideology. Randian objectivism adheres to free-market capitalism (anarcho-capitalism) as its economics, as opposed to socialist and collectivist approach of the left-wing.

Is Ayn Rand a feminist?

she only subscribes the the female as an individual, and not necessarily as a social entity whose perceptions are shaped by society. therefore she can only agree with feminism when it comes to forwarding the individual rights of women, but not the idea of collectively using their power to change society.

Where did you first hear of Ayn Rand?

can't remember. it was ages ago back in late high school.

Do you think the current popularity of Ayn Rand is a backlash of the previous generation's leftist tendency (one old guy told me that back in his time, if you weren't a communist, you did not have a heart)

it's only a backlash if one sees the opposite ideology as something that attained mainstream position in the past and it is obvious that it did not.

it should be noted though, that the mainstream ideas that presently dominate weren't brought about solely on the power of Randian philosophy, but the collapse of the power (the Soviet socialist experiment) that espoused a diametrically opposite ideology compared to what has become the mainstream. in the past, the disparate factions inside the socialist banner were united under one common goal. collectivist libertarians and collectivist authoritarians stood side-by-side in an effort to overthrow capitalism. the old man that told you that was half correct when he said that non-communists did not have a heart, as capitalism and individualism both have been characterized as cold and apathetic.

Are God, Church and Religion good or bad things in the philosophy of Ayn Rand? Is Nationalism good or bad in Rand's philosophy?

an extremely individualist philosophy such as hers can only see these outside forces as unwelcome.

How does Ayn Rand view "Race"?

inconsequential

Is there such things as "Good" or "Bad" in Rand's philosophy? Or is there such thing as objective morality?

yes, and one determines what is 'good' or 'bad' according to reason, where pursuing personal interest is rational, and not seeking personal interest is irrational.

[brownprose]

If you agree with Ayn Rand, are you a libertarian?

in a sense, yes. libertarianism is essentially divided into two distinct sides, social libertarianism (left-wing and closely resembles social anarchism) and right libertarianism (which closely resembles individualist anarchism) . Rand's Objectivism is closer to the latter, though it has its own set of irreconcilable differences.

If you agree with Ayn Rand, do you belong to the Right Wing?

essentially, yes. when one uses either term 'right wing' or 'left wing',it is immediately understood that he/she is ponting towards the economic side of a political ideology. Randian objectivism adheres to free-market capitalism (anarcho-capitalism) as its economics, as opposed to socialist and collectivist approach of the left-wing.

Is Ayn Rand a feminist?

she only subscribes the the female as an individual, and not necessarily as a social entity whose perceptions are shaped by society. therefore she can only agree with feminism when it comes to forwarding the individual rights of women, but not the idea of collectively using their power to change society.

Where did you first hear of Ayn Rand?

can't remember. it was ages ago back in late high school.

Do you think the current popularity of Ayn Rand is a backlash of the previous generation's leftist tendency (one old guy told me that back in his time, if you weren't a communist, you did not have a heart)

it's only a backlash if one sees the opposite ideology as something that attained mainstream position in the past and it is obvious that it did not.

it should be noted though, that the mainstream ideas that presently dominate weren't brought about solely on the power of Randian philosophy, but the collapse of the power (the Soviet socialist experiment) that espoused a diametrically opposite ideology compared to what has become the mainstream. in the past, the disparate factions inside the socialist banner were united under one common goal. collectivist libertarians and collectivist authoritarians stood side-by-side in an effort to overthrow capitalism. the old man that told you that was half correct when he said that non-communists did not have a heart, as capitalism and individualism both have been characterized as cold and apathetic.

Are God, Church and Religion good or bad things in the philosophy of Ayn Rand? Is Nationalism good or bad in Rand's philosophy?

an extremely individualist philosophy such as hers can only see these outside forces as unwelcome.

How does Ayn Rand view "Race"?

inconsequential

Is there such things as "Good" or "Bad" in Rand's philosophy? Or is there such thing as objective morality?

yes, and one determines what is 'good' or 'bad' according to reason, where pursuing personal interest is rational, and not seeking personal interest is irrational.

Veryyy Nice. Rand 101.

OT: Sir, where do you hold classes? And how are you related to Garebalenciano, sir? Just kidding.