Ortigas shootout

[slakker]

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^It's just like the plantation bay case. They did not stop because the TMG were all in civilian clothes and in an unmarked car. If you were being flagged down by people in civilian clothes with high powered firearms, would you stop?

[Minuano27]

vern or springfield can enlighten us on rules of engagement. As far as i know, when a suspect is subdued or is unable to fight back he must be taken alive for proper interrogation. Or if wounded be taken to a medical center. I may be wrong on that. That video cleraly shows overkill. But i love the way the head bounced.

the way i see, it's not even a question of whether the rules of engagement were followed, but a question of whether the TMG was justified in still shooting the 3. when the TMG opened the doors of the car, theY could clearly see that the 3 weren't moving anymore. if they weren't sure if the 3 were still dangerous, then they should have just aimed their guns and waited for a move to be made. as it is, it looked like the TMG was making sure the 3 were dead without bothering to find out if they were still a threat....[br]Date Posted: November 18, 2005, 12:59:46 PM_________________________________________________

^It's just like the plantation bay case. They did not stop because the TMG were all in civilian clothes and in an unmarked car. If you were being flagged down by people in civilian clothes with high powered firearms, would you stop?

Nope.

[harrykevin]

RUBOUT!!

All windows and doors are closed. Only operatives open it.

[crinkle]

i saw the video and it sure looked like a rubout if you ask me... but then again, before we make conclusions. we have to wait ( and pray ) that an "efficient" investigating team would give us answers ( hopefully the right ones ).

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ FINGOLFIN ... I have yet to see the video to consider a lot of factors to call the actions as RULES of ENGAGEMENT basing on my practices as what I was used to be trained and instructed .

Bottomline , RULES of ENGAGEMENT only applies if LIFE is THREATEN ... if regular danger lang gani like u know magka bukol ra ka then it doesnt apply specially kung unarmed ang mga subjects . Philippine crime laws also might differ slightly ( technically ) sa US laws regarding crime . Sa US as a policeman , di nimo pwede pusilon ang suspect hantod wala niya gi aim ang pusil nimo then kana siya clearly shows rules of engagement . U know he or she has a dadly weapon but dili pa gani siya ready gamiton against you , then present ang DANGER but wala ma THREATEN ang life nimo .

[weng-weng]

is there a website that host this "disturbing" ortigas shootout video? wala pa gyud ko kakita sa whole video, puro lang partial scenes from the news.

[JoRed]

On a related issue...


OVERKILL
Policeman guns down drug suspect
in handcuffs: 13 bullet holes
by Chito O. Aragon and Jolene R. Bulambot


A hail of bullets from the gun of a policeman ended the life of a man accused of selling prohibited drugs in Barangay Luz, Cebu City on Sunday.

The killing caused an uproar on Monday among members of 32-year-old Dave Ezbra's family, who branded the incident as a "salvaging."

Ezbra succumbed to 13 gunshot wounds in the face, thigh, hands, shoulders, and even his private parts before reaching the Cebu City Medical Center.

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But policemen, including Police Officer 1 Roy Carlo Veloso, the Criminal Investigation and Intelligence Bureau (CIIB) operative who killed Ezbra, were quick to dismiss the allegation, saying the death was an indirect result of a legitimate operation.
The shooting came a day after Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal lashed out at perpetrators and masterminds of vigilante-style attacks for their "low esteem of human life."

Superintendent Paul Labra, CIIB chief, defended Veloso, explaining that the policeman observed the rules of engagement in the encounter between him and Ezbra.

Initial investigation showed, however, that Ezbra resisted arrest by drawing his gun and pointing it at pursuing policemen.

OPERATION
Led by Labra, five CIIB operatives went to Sitio Lubi in Barangay Luz Sunday night on a tip from barangay councilor Renato Labrador about the rampant distribution of illegal drugs in the area.

When the police team reached the area at about 10 p.m., they saw Ezbra, accosted him, and found on him 11 sachets of suspected shabu.

It was not clear how police identified Ezbra as a drug courier or trader out of the hundreds of people living or passing through the high-density residential area.

Labra said Veloso was putting handcuffs on Ezbra when the latter suddenly ran, fleeing into dimly lit alleys.

With the help of the team's civilian driver, Nike Pelaez, Veloso chased Ezbra and managed to corner him, Labra said.

According to a police report on the incident, Ezbra then drew and pointed a gun at Veloso, who immediately grappled with the drug suspect for control of the firearm.

The gun then suddenly went off, forcing Veloso to let go of Ezbra, draw his own sidearm, a 9-millimeter pistol and shoot the drug suspect several times.

The team rushed Ezbra to the hospital, where it was discovered that he sustained 13 gunshot wounds.

But this did not mean he was shot 13 times, Labra said, explaining that the other wounds could be exit points of bullets.

Recovered from the scene were a .45 caliber pistol, an empty magazine, five empty shells and two live ammunition of the same caliber, 11 small sachets of suspected shabu, 15 sheets of aluminum foil rolled into a bundle, and a broken blade. These allegedly belonged to Ezbra.

Also found at the scene were Veloso's service firearm and seven spent 9-millimeter shells.

FOUL PLAY
The family of the slain drug suspect, however, gave a conflicting account of the incident, saying policemen deliberately killed Ezbra.

Labeling the killing as "overkill," Ezbra's mother and girlfriend said they would seek the assistance of the National Bureau of Investigation.

Amparo, who saw her son's bullet-riddled body on Monday at the Eternal Memories funeral parlor, said policemen planted evidence, including a gun and sachets of drugs, prior to killing Ezbra.

Ezbra's remains also bore cuts and lacerations in the face and legs, prompting Amparo to suspect her son was mauled before being shot.

Margie Talle, Ezbra's girlfriend, denied her boyfriend had been involved in illegal activities.

She admitted, however, that Ezbra was imprisoned for three months for highway robbery but clarified that this took place more than 12 years ago.

Talle said she was surprised to see several policemen dragging her partner to a dark area outside their house Sunday night.

She said she saw policemen putting handcuffs on her boyfriend but was surprised when they suddenly drew guns and started shooting him.

Talle denied that Ezbra attempted to flee and grapple with a policeman for a gun.

One of the couple's five children also saw the incident.

The child said her father was mauled by policemen while being handcuffed.

The couple's daughter, whose name is being withheld because she is a minor, also denied her father tried to grapple with a policeman.

"How could my father do it when he was handcuffed," she said in Cebuano.

RIGHTS VIOLATION?
The Commission on Human Rights on Monday ordered an investigation into the incident.

Alejandro Alonso, regional director of the commission, was surprised upon learning that Ezbra had been shot while being handcuffed by police.

"Thirteen gunshot wounds? Thirteen gunshot wounds were sustained by the victim and he was handcuffed by the police. How come?" Alonso asked.

"Under the rules, if a person is shackled or handcuffed by the police, it is understood that he is already under the custody of the police. We would look into the case moto propio," he added.

[Berlin]

I saw the entire video. You could tell the guy was still alive and the cop grabbing something from the van and planted tossed it into the backseat of the car.

What I find weird about incident such as these, even with overwhelming evidence (video in this case), Pinoys will back their police officers and swear in the name of God, that they're innocent.

I'm glad napahiya sila dun sa recent hostage crisis. "They deserved all the fame they got."

[cebulifer]

wow!!! nabanhaw lagi ni? 2005 pa ni oi!

[radiostar]

lol..............