human rights where are you

[bobbyb]

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Human rights activists? That's a misnomer. Leftists ra na sila. Wolves disguised as lambs

[taga_ipil]

Human rights activists? That's a misnomer. Leftists ra na sila. Wolves disguised as lambs

very true... as what friend told me when I was in Mindanao...

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Panagsa ra ko mo agree ni GAREB but I do agree with him this time . I was at one time a service member who took oath in the office to protect and serve the country of my allegiance . WHat happens in a mission is a package deal . It is part of the mission . We are talking about WAR here and how to win if it takes more than 1 battle , not the lives of the people involved in it .

[baby_grace]

Even if the death of the Marines and the extrajudicial killings are not of equal occurences, the Human Rights groups still seem to be having a double standard in their protection of human rights.

And why are they not of equal occurrences? What happened in Basilan was not a legitimate encounter. The rebels ambushed the soldiers who were in search of Fr. Bossi. They killed the soldiers deliberately. That is not in any way different from the alleged extrajudicial killings.

[Hitler66.6]

those marines are human too,,didn't you heard the news?how come i never heard those human rights advocates protesting the act than by MILF..are they afraid?..tsk tsk I've seen your true color,,how about if those were rebels?lots of you guys would go to the street to protest..tsk tsk..those marines sacrifice a lot just to bring peace and order..they leave their families behind,just to defend our beloved country..common show us that really exist..

mao!! LEFTIST mans sad cguro ni mga HUMAN RIGHTS!! pahuway mu uy... WALA nalay kwenta ang mga marines nga pwerte ka brutal ug ka barbaric ato!!! unya wala jd muy gibuhat! kung leftist pa to nga gi patid patiran tingkad dayun ang dunggan pero kung marines nga giputlan ug ulo ug oten WALA gyuy kisaw.. PAHUWAY MU UY!!

[Hitler66.6]

I'm starting to believe that the human rights groups only exist when the victim is an ordinary citizen. Ordinary citizen in their own definition. I don't think these human rights advocates are fair in not showing some force after the incident with the Marines. If Jonas Burgos is still alive, then he should be thankful the human rights advocates, as well as the leftist solons support the search for him. Lucky Jonas and other missing NPAs, some of whom are students from the biggest state university.

TAKA LANG KA!! DILI NALANG UNTA SILA HUMAN RIGHTS!!! ORDINARY CITIZEN RIGHTS NALANG UNTA!

[hulagway]

wala unta dapat pilion ang human rights advocates,,kay abi marines ang nahingtongdan dili di ay cila mo condemn sa gihimo sa MILF? defined human? saatopa kung ang ang usa katao mg military or mg police, dili na d i na cla human?
dapat ilisan na nila ang ila name..REBEL RIGHTS,,pwde ba? naa pa ai,,hapit tanan taga UP mga militante,,and to think ang UP is public,,they are government scholar unya naa tana diha ang halos tanang leader sa mga leftist,,..apil ato buhis pg gasto aning mga taohana unya ng samok-samok lang sa ato nasud,,unsa angay nato buhaton aning mga taohana..pariha rapud ni sila ni trillanes..ang governo ang ng gatos tanan unya mg rebelde dayon..utro pud mga corrupt..

[taga_ipil]

Again...

There is no such thing a Legitimate encounter sa Mindanao..

because the first step nga mo apak ang Marines sa Mindanao... Mindanao is Already a No Mans Land for the MILF/MNLF and ABUSUYOP...

they dont care... who will be hit.. mao alkanse ang government forces...

Human Rights?

Nahhhh... Human Left maybe

[gareb]

taga_ipil:

Ka experience naka ug Massacre bro?
Kay kung wala pa bro.. pakit-on tika unsa ang word nga NO MANS LAND sa amo...
there is no such thing as Legitimate encounter in our place, in the first Place MILF and ABUSUYOP dont have that in their vocabulary
That's why when Estrade Declared an all out war we're very happy about it, in order to end the ASG's reign in our place.

i've seen a massacre, if that's your basis for saying that lines blur between what is a legitimate encounter and what isn't, then let me tell you something about a massacre of civilians versus a massacre borne out of an encounter between two armed groups.

it is true that definitions of what is legitimate and what is not are irrelevant in the field where the prime importance is survival. and please be aware that it isn't just your place that has a monopoly of being a 'no man's land'. if you have been to the interior of Samar-Leyte, Mindoro, Batangas, the Cordilleras, Benguet, Abra and Negros, then perhaps you'd realize that it's not a unique problem for Mindanao.

indeed, i find it strange that with your insistence that these are 'no man's lands' yet complain about the barbaric treatment that the military got.

but what should have been pointed out at the first place that the existence of these 'no man's lands' are itself intolerable. we cannot use the rhetoric of 'collateral damage' to justify civilian casualties that was caused by outright massacre, nor can a barbaric treatment as the AFP got from the bandits, justifiable in any manner.

They dont have proof that the Arroyo government did it, same as those activist denied that they are a member of the leftist group and made those "organization" as a front to cripple the government!... how will you call it a legitimate if there was no proof that they did it...and how sure you are that they were activist and not a leftist?

proof? ever heard of the government's Melo Commission and its findings with regards to the journalists and leftist activists killings? or perhaps the report of the United Nations Rapporteur Philip Alston's recommendations? how about the recent Supreme Court ordering the AFP to produce Jonas Burgos?

sorry sir, but saying that 'it does not exist' does not automatically means it really does not.


baby_grace:

And why are they not of equal occurrences? What happened in Basilan was not a legitimate encounter. The rebels ambushed the soldiers who were in search of Fr. Bossi. They killed the soldiers deliberately. That is not in any way different from the alleged extrajudicial killings.

i'd like to inform you that by the rules of war set forth in the Geneva Conventions, ambushes are regarded as 'legitimate military operations' so as long as it targets military and paramilitary units, infrastructure and vehicles.

by saying 'legitimate', we mean 'an encounter between two armed groups'.

[bravo]

yes!mga bro.emahen lang na unsa ka dunot atong systema,dili nako ma imagine unsa kaha ang dangatan sa uban pa natong mga pilipino nga nakig bugtaw alang sa atong ka lambuan nga nahisama raman sila nga nangita sa dagum taliwala sa dakong lawd sa kadagatan,!!!!!