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  1. #21

    Default Re: Satur Ocampo and Joma Sison --- Ipa Sikup sa Katawhan ug sa Kapulisan!


    kadugay na ani nilang angay dakpon..nganong karon pa man...

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    Quote Originally Posted by boknoyet
    Firstly, the timing of the filing of cases is so suspect especially when it coincides with the arrest and clampdown on many members of the National Democratic movement (a faction of the Philippine Left to which Bayan Muna belongs to) and subsequent attempts to disqualify their group.
    Well, maingon nalang gyud cguro nato nga political ang motive ini rong kiha ni Satur. But it could be circumstancial as well. Kahibalo naman ta nga tinuod late last year lang nadiscobrehan ang killing fields sa Leyte. And to my understanding you must be a law student kay ingon god ka nga imong gipangutana imong law professor. So from that I would assume that you know what are the "procedurals" in court before a warrant of arrest could be granted from a judge. Unsa man say kalibotan nato ug sulagma lang kaayo nga na timing ron nga election time unya the facts of the case demands that this people should face the music at this time as what the RTC judge wants it to be.

    Lately ingon ang taga UN nga bag-ohay lang naghatag sa iyang report- si Alsthom ba to? Nga ug niya pa one of the problems lie in our weak judicial system maong naay mga summary killings. Karon nga gisugdan na ni sila ug pangiha kay duna man gud kaha tay bala-od, ingnon dayon nga harassment. Asa man diay ta paingon ini kuno? Wala man gyud tay dag-anan pirme ini nila ba. If we want to enhance the belief that our justice system is working then kini sila rong gipangiha mo-atubang nalang sa korte and let their arguments be heard.

    Ang problema gud kay makig argumento sila nga naa sa media. Adto sa Huwes kuno bi kay aron makita nato ang katag ba ug kinsa sad-an, kinsay dili.

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    tan-awon pud siguro nato sa laing punto. una, naay panghitabo sa aytong nasud nga dili makalimod. nagpadayon ang extra judicial killings ug mga biktima niini nga ligal nga aktibista. ikaduha, naay oplan bantay laya, anti-insurgency campaign sa govt ug kini nag-ingon(which is maoy nabasahan, nadugog, ug nakita nato sa media nga gisulti ni palparan, esperon ug sa 2 ka gonzales) nga kaaway sa govt kuno ang tanang mo-creticize niya. naa pud kini kampanya nga dili padaugon ang mga party list nga gitawag sa govt nga "communist fronts" pinaagi sa pagbutang og detachments sa "communist infiltrated areas". ikatulo, bisan kusog ang anti-bayan muna campaign, naa gihapion kini sa top 1 matod pa sa sws survey. ang punto nako, naay sistematiko, planado ug PinALPARAN nga nga motibo ang arroyo regime; nga dili padaugon ang BM ug nagtuo sila pinaagi sa pagpadakop kang satur ug pagpatay sa ilang mga lider ug members. mao no ang gitawag nga DESPERADO NA SI GMA UBAN SA IYANG MGA ALIPURES KAY NAGKUSOG ANG KATAWHAN NGA MUSUPAK UG MUSUKOL NIYA"[br]Posted on: March 10, 2007, 11:34:35 PM_________________________________________________C harges of Mass Murder have been slapped against Bayan Muna Representative Satur Ocampo and his boss Joma Sison for giving the nod in the killing of supposed DPA's of the military in 1984. Mass Graves were unearthed in Guinobatan, Leyte with the help of former NPA rebels who participated in the liquidation. Mr. Ocampo answered by saying "ihow can i attend the supposed meeting for the approval of the killings when i was in jail at the time?"

    sa inyo tan aw -->tinuod ni?

    Sa akong tan-aw bai dili ni tinuod. una kadudahan na daan ang motibo sa paggawas ani nga "saksi". if tinuod man gani nga kanhi npa sila, nganong karon ra man sila nigawas ug tinuod ba ang balita nga ahente mismo sila sa afp. wala na daan sila og credibility. mura gud nag nakit-an nato ang atong papa pagkakaadlawn nagbutang og kendi sa medyas ug pagkabuntag niana sya nga tinuod jud si santa claus. naa pa diay balita sa leyte mismo nga months before sa "discovery sa npa remains" daghang mga bangkay ang gipangkawt ug nawala sa ilang public cemetery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idward
    Charges of Mass Murder have been slapped against Bayan Muna Representative Satur Ocampo and his boss Joma Sison for giving the nod in the killing of supposed DPA's of the military in 1984. Mass Graves were unearthed in Guinobatan, Leyte with the help of former NPA rebels who participated in the liquidation. Mr. Ocampo answered by saying "ihow can i attend the supposed meeting for the approval of the killings when i was in jail at the time?"

    sa inyo tan aw -->tinuod ni?

    Sa akong tan-aw bai dili ni tinuod. una kadudahan na daan ang motibo sa paggawas ani nga "saksi". if tinuod man gani nga kanhi npa sila, nganong karon ra man sila nigawas ug tinuod ba ang balita nga ahente mismo sila sa afp. wala na daan sila og credibility. mura gud nag nakit-an nato ang atong papa pagkakaadlawn nagbutang og kendi sa medyas ug pagkabuntag niana sya nga tinuod jud si santa claus. naa pa diay balita sa leyte mismo nga months before sa "discovery sa npa remains" daghang mga bangkay ang gipangkawt ug nawala sa ilang public cemetery.
    while all of you have good points, the fact remains that we are already polarized. it has always been a battle between the rich and the poor. maski pa unsaun ninyo ug ingun na musupak tanan mga tawo kang GMA and that all these maneuvers are political, we can never deny the fact that the leftists have contributed to the state of our country. the governmen, naa gihapon sala. ang pangutana ra jud, kanus a muabot ang panahon na naa musakripisyo. ang ako man pud madumdum perme, wa nalang juy pagkahuman ang pag criticize sa m ga leftists sa mga mulingkod na mga opisyales. perme ra reklamo na walay kabag uhan.WALAY KABAG UHAN KAY DI MAN MUSAKRIPISYO ANG MGA TAWO. kung kani gireklamo kung ila pa ni gi convert sa paningkamut, muuswag unta atong kahimtang tanan. mura na nuon wa gyud ta padulngan Pilipino as a nation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by skobadagank
    ur aware?wow. biliba jud nako nimu da. then its possible that indeed u witnessed some of these subversives doing their stuff. so u neither deny nor admit that u are siding with them.hmm.. about sa kawat pre, di na himo himo kay akong pamilya sa agusan del sur gikawatan sa mga NPA. usa pa, mukaun ra na sila sa carenderya nya way bayad2x kay abi naa pusil. ba? usa pa, EXTORTION pre is broad daylight robbery..so kanang "pangayo" nila nga revolutionary taxes sa businessmen and farmers alike, consider na na pangawat brad. ok? ayaw pag pinilosopo part. kana kanta sa bamboo..revival ra na dong sa kanta sa mga UP activists/artists sa panahon ni Marcos. underneath the song is a hidden message. i know about it, bay. ayaw kabalaka. kaila ko bamboo. mananger nila, barkada ni kuya. so ayaw pasuweto2x.

    "kadaghanan sa tawo naa sa bukid" ---> wrong ka diha part. ang kadaghanan sa pilipino lumulpyo sa mga ciudad ug probinsya. mao na ang mga jollibee naa sa ciudad kay gamay ra tawo sa bukid.ba? even so naa tawo sa bukid, wouldnt you agree that the NPA still need the support of EVERY FILIPINO?whether in the mountains or urban areas? kung wa jud suporta sa tanan or majority man lang, wa jud padulngan brad ang imung gikatahung NPA friends. padumduman tika part..revolution succeeds if majority of the social strata..in our case peasants, workers, middle class and the elites alike will support the NPA to topple the government. need concrete examples?

    Russia - October 1917 - disillusioned ang majority sa population, overthrew the Czar
    China - October 1949 - Majority pud sa population sa china who were tired of civil war, overthrew Chiang kai Shek
    Cuba - 1959 - Workers were disillusioned sa corrupt na government, so they installed Fidel Castro.
    kung naa man gani ga suporta sa mga NPA diri sa ato nasud, in my opinion mga ex NPA or mga infiltrators ra sa NPA ang gapadagan ug gasuporta aning mga front na Akbayan, Bayan Muna ug uban pang Mapulahun na mga grupo. if you can really prove pud na perteng daghana jud sa suporters sa NPA, nganu waman mutake over ang mga komunista atung edsa 1 ug 2?


    kanang sa agusan or actually bisan asa mahitabo sa kabukiran, daghan nag arong ingnong "NPA" daw sila and mangawat ug magpahimulos sa uban natong kaigsuunang pilipino para daoton ang rebolusyonaryong kalihukan sa CPP-NPA.. some of them are CAFGUs and Military itself na nagpaila na mga NPA para madaot ang NPA.. soree to hear about wat happend to ur family.. di nato gusto madaot ang mga civilian...

    issue on "extortion" , actually its not "extortion", there are a lot of revolutionary governments in the country side existing... why do i know these, coz i read articles and they are available diri mismo sa internet!

    about TATSULOK.. soree for the phrase "ila kanta" i mentioned , yeah its a revival song from The Jerks (waaahhh, basin sayop na sad, but eniwei, its a revival song.. hehehe) hidden message?? actually its not hidden na nga eh.. ka klaro na ana its existing.. and if u know about it, we shouldnt be debating kung asa mas daghan tao, sa bukid ba or sa ciudad.. mao gani ang communism symbolized by maso ug karet... hahays, niwei, moving forward.. if only wala gipasara sa USC ang library which is RCNS or resource center for nationalist studies, daghan books ngadto to learn about these. usa nalang nuon ang natatanging nationalist library in the phil which is in UP called CNS or center for nationalist studies.. RCNS in USC and CNS in UP are the only libraries promoting NATIONALISM directly to students, kay naa man sulod sa skul jud! hehehehe.. and moving forward again, nice to know kailia diay mo ni bamboo.. good for you..

    about jollibee, hehehe.. gigutom nuon ko dah! hehehe

    eniwei, learn TATSULOK, and ull know asa ang majority.. mao bitaw naa sila sa bukid ka sugod.. to give u a better resource.. sa google search bar type >> Philippine Society and Revolution ... then kung mka open ka sa PDF file, read it.. mag kasinabot na ta ana after.. hehehe

    tska, ayaw dali2x ang ang pagdaug sa CPP-NPA-NDF part.. malanaton gani,, :mrgreen:







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    Default Re: Satur Ocampo and Joma Sison --- Ipa Sikup sa Katawhan ug sa Kapulisan!

    Ang point nato dire ang order sa Huwes nga dakpon cya o sila ni Joma. Period. Ma political ang rason o dili basta duna tay balaod ug kung ni recognize sila sa balaod ilang atubangon ang kiha batok nila. Period. Sa ako nang giingon naa man ang Supreme Court nga sige niya gidayeg gikan pa kaniadto nga independente kuno, di adto cya modangup sa iyang mga reklamo parte anang warrant nga gi issue sa Judge. Nganong mag cg pa man cya ug padugang ug pusta sa media nga mahimo man ug iyang iprobar sa Korte nga sayop ang gibuhat sa Judge. Para madali ba unta ta ba. Kay kini man nuon maoy maka ungkag ug maayo sa publiko. Nitou man kaha sila ug balaod. Unless nalang ug balaod sa bukid ang gituhoon ni Satur.

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    Default Re: Satur Ocampo and Joma Sison --- Ipa Sikup sa Katawhan ug sa Kapulisan!

    sakto ka jan bai!

    thats why nag pagawas ug press release si satur.. wa man xa nagtago, mugawas ra daw xa.. if u scroll up above, i posted his press release c/o bulatlat.com

    :mrgreen:

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    Default Re: Satur Ocampo and Joma Sison --- Ipa Sikup sa Katawhan ug sa Kapulisan!

    Quote Originally Posted by idward
    naa pa diay balita sa leyte mismo nga months before sa "discovery sa npa remains" daghang mga bangkay ang gipangkawt ug nawala sa ilang public cemetery.
    I post kuno dire ang credible source sa balita bi kay motoo ang readers nimo. Di gani ka ka post sa source, klarix nga hearysay nang imong mga gipanulti dire ug di man gani hearysay, ga gama gama lang ka ug istorya ba. Bi gi challenge ka nako kung asa imong source anang imong giingon nga mga nawala nga bangkay sa cmenteryo.

    You are imputing the idea that thos e discovered skeletal remains are planted by the authorities out of those stolen cadavers from the cemetery.

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    Default Leyte Mass Graves a Fake - Satur


    Rep. Satur Ocampo of Bayan Muna
    Probably Today’s Most Wanted

    BY BULATLAT


    DEFIANT THOUGH PURSUED: Bayan Muna Rep. Satur Ocampo stresses a point during his press conference last week somewhere in Luzon, after the filing of murder charges against him, Jose Maria Sison, and Luis Jalandoni
    With five teams of the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) scattered all over the metropolis to track him down and 15 agents of the Criminal Investigation and Detection Group (CIDG) swooping down at his home in Quezon City, Bayan Muna Rep. Satur Ocampo is the subject of probably the most elaborate manhunt today.

    Despite public persecution from the government, however, Ocampo’s party, Bayan Muna, emerged as the top choice as party-list in the latest Social Weather Station (SWS) survey. Its allies, Anakpawis (toiling masses) and Gabriela Women’s Party (GWP) placed second and third in the list, respectively.

    Ocampo, a journalist before and during the early years of Martial Law, a two-time political detainee, the former spokesperson of the National Democratic Front of the Philippines after the fall of the dictatorship, and a two-termer representative of Bayan Muna in the Lower House, is facing arrest for charges of multiple murder.


    Branch 18 of the Regional Trial Court of Hilongos, province of Leyte issued a warrant for his arrest on Monday, March 5, for the alleged murders in a purported purge of at least 62 members of the Maoist New People’s Army (NPA) in Inopacan, Leyte in 1984.

    However, Ocampo said he could not have been in Leyte at that time to give orders for the alleged purge and killings, as claimed by witnesses, because he was under military custody then.

    In a media briefing on Tuesday, March 6, Ocampo said this move to put him behind bars is one of the Macapagal-Arroyo government’s means to neutralize Bayan Muna and its “politics for change.”

    Bulatlat is reposting *this story on Ocampo to give a deeper view of why government agents want to get him and why the marginalized sectors of society want him back as their representative at the Lower House.

    *This story was originally posted on March 14, 2004. Bulatlat

    *this story >> http://www.bulatlat.com/news/4-7/4-7-ocampo.html

    [br]Posted on: March 11, 2007, 12:48:33 AM_________________________________________________Bayan Muna Gets Special Award from Cebu City Gov’t

    Notwithstanding efforts of the Arroyo administration to bar the top party-list group from winning in the upcoming polls, Bayan Muna (People First) received a Special Mayor’s Award during the Queen City’s 70th Charter Day celebration last week.

    BY KAREN S. PAPELLERO
    Bulatlat

    CEBU CITY-- Notwithstanding efforts of the Arroyo administration to bar the top party-list group from winning in the upcoming polls, Bayan Muna (People First) received a Special Mayor’s Award during the Queen City’s 70th Charter Day celebration last week.

    The award was in recognition of Bayan Muna’s contribution during the 12th ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) Summit held in Cebu last January 13- 15, Cebu City Mayor Tomas Osmeña said.

    Osmeña said he appreciates and takes pride in the mutual trust when dealing with Bayan Muna and he recognizes them as pro-active citizens of the community. He also stressed that Bayan Muna enjoys close collaboration and protection from the city government.

    “The city government gives its full confidence and trust in working/dealing with Bayan Muna,” Osmeña said. “Rest assured that the Cebu City government will give its full cooperation to Bayan Muna in the pursuit of peace and development in the community.”

    “This award clearly belies the accusations hurled against Bayan Muna as destabilizers and terrorists,” said Arman Perez, Bayan Muna-Cebu secretary-general. “This only shows that the prestige and mandate Bayan Muna has achieved through its genuine service to its constituents could not be negated.”

    “In fact, the consistent stand of the organization against policies inimical to the people’s interests, even that of the Mayor, is duly viewed as essential to development and democracy,” he added.

    Perez further clarified that the award proved that the protests and mass actions of Bayan Muna and allied people’s organizations during the12th ASEAN Summit did not cause trouble or shame the host province, as some government officials said.

    “We are, therefore, encouraged to continue and strengthen our resolve in living up to our mandate even in the midst of the unabated killings victimizing our members all over the country,” Perez said. “Bayan Muna will stand firm and will triumph with the people’s trust and confidence.” Bulatlat

    [br]Posted on: March 11, 2007, 12:53:04 AM_________________________________________________
    Quote Originally Posted by budmendz
    I post kuno dire ang credible source sa balita bi kay motoo ang readers nimo. Di gani ka ka post sa source, klarix nga hearysay nang imong mga gipanulti dire ug di man gani hearysay, ga gama gama lang ka ug istorya ba. Bi gi challenge ka nako kung asa imong source anang imong giingon nga mga nawala nga bangkay sa cmenteryo.

    You are imputing the idea that thos e discovered skeletal remains are planted by the authorities out of those stolen cadavers from the cemetery.
    Leyte Mass Graves a Fake - Satur

    The Armed Forces of the Philippines claimed to have dug up another mass grave of victims of the Communist Party of the Philippines anti-infiltration campaign in Leyte province. But Bayan Muna party-list Satur Ocampo and Committee DEFEND said the AFP had in the past “faked” other mass graves, and is doing it now to conceal its culpability in the current rash of killings.

    BY BULATLAT

    Bayan Muna party-list Rep. Satur Ocampo and an international group accused Armed Forces of the Philippines Chief of Staff Hermogenes Esperon Jr. of “faking” the Leyte mass graves, to conceal the military’s role in the continued killings and abductions of activists.

    “General Esperon is a master of fakery. He rigged the 2004 elections in Mindanao in order to deliver fake votes to Gloria Arroyo. He is once more engaged in fabrication about the mass killing of people in the 80s to benefit the fake president Arroyo,” said a statement by the Committee to Defend Filipino Progressives in Europe (Committee-DEFEND).

    The AFP on Aug. 26 claimed to have dug up a mass grave of supposed rebels killed in the 1980s by their comrades on suspicion of being government spies. Sixty-seven human skulls and skeletal remains were found at the site on Mount Sapang Daku, Kaulisihan village, Inopacan town, Leyte province, an AFP report said. Leyte is part of Easter Visayas, mid-Philippines.

    Maj. Felix Mangyao, spokesman of the 8th Infantry Division, said the remains were those of alleged victims of “Operation Anti-VD” of the New People’s Army.

    Esperon named Ocampo, Prof. Jose Maria Sison and Luis Jalandoni as the ones who signed the order for the executions.

    Sison was the founding chair of the Communist Party of the Philippines and now the chief political consultant of the National Democratic Front of the Philippines (NDFP), while Jalandoni is the NDFP chief negotiator in the peace talks with the government.

    "The military top brass is so desperate to save its remaining honor, the generals find nothing wrong in lying to the public, using corpses and skeletons to portray an alleged purge, and continuing to engage in partisan political activity against legitimate party list organizations and representatives like myself," said Tonyo Cruz, Ocampo's press officer, quoting the solon.

    Cruz said that "it is public knowledge that Ka Satur was in prison and was being tortured by the military at the time Esperon alleges his having a role in the purported purges."

    The Committee-DEFEND, on the other hand, said Sison could not have anything to do with Esperon’s claims. “Prof. Sison was under maximum security detention by the military under the Marcos fascist regime 1977 to 1986 and that after teaching for six months in the University of the Philippines in 1986 he left the Philippines on August 31, 1986 for his international lecture tour. Since 1986, he has been abroad and has not performed any political party function in the Philippines.”

    Ocampo’ statement said that the Communist Party of the Philippines had long “painfully admitted” the purges among its ranks. “The victims (were) given decent burials and tributes as martyrs, and the perpetrators and masterminds have since left the Party and now act as special agents of the military and police to avoid being held accountable to their criminal acts."

    In 1992, the CPP began its Second Great Rectification Movement, admitting among its grave errors the anti-infiltration “hysteria.” According to a CPP anniversary statement, the search turned into widespread panic, a hysteria, which violated “the individual rights of suspects, the standards of due process and the rules of scientific examination and weighing of evidence.” CPP documents said the rectification movement was meant to ensure that such hysteria will not be repeated.

    The military had in the past faked other “mass graves” in its propaganda war against the revolutionary movement, but these “faded away” after being reported on the media, said Committee DEFEND. “The national security adviser, the generals and military psywar experts have several times fabricated stories about mass burial grounds of the New People’s Army in Misamis Occidental, Bukidnon, Quezon.”

    “In some cases they have desecrated the remains of indigenous people in old burial grounds,” said the statement.

    Cruz said that in May this year, National Security Adviser Norberto Gonzales claimed to have found a “killing field” in Bukidnon. “But the provincial governor and congressman rejected the charges. The concoction was fully exposed when the soldiers who Gonzales said unearthed the remains admitted that Gonzales was behind the whole idea and wrote the whole script."

    The military and the police are widely believed to be the perpetrators of 744 extrajudicial killings and 182 enforced disappearances, allegedly in line with counterinsurgency program Oplan Bantay Laya. Bulatlat



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    Quote Originally Posted by duke pikaso
    Bayan Muna Gets Special Award from Cebu City Gov’t
    Bai kay unsa man diay imong panabot anang gibuhat ni Tomas? Sa akong panabot bay, pa consuelo de bobo ba. Pareho ba ug bata nga buluyagon nga di na nimo madala ug bunal, di na ka ka disiplina kay mosukol na, imong tagaan na lang ug something to appease him around dili mag samosamok. Tomas is a smart operator. You just can't outsmart him. Usa pay imong lakang lima na kang Tomas. You have to read his actions between the line.

    So ayaw ko ug patohoa nga kinasing kasing ang tuyo sa city government sa mga Bayan Muna. Bai given the chance nga diktador si Tomas and he has all the power at his disposal. Numero uno sad cguro nang mo-ingon nga Bayan Muna? This damn troublemakers ...turn them to ashes. Pero tungod lagi kay nia man ta sa demokrasya, gamitan ba ug gamay nga ug sa tagalog pa, Palubag loob.[br]Posted on: March 11, 2007, 01:04:12 AM_________________________________________________
    Quote Originally Posted by duke pikaso
    Leyte Mass Graves a Fake - Satur
    Kana sa pulong ni Satur nga imong gituhoan. Provahanan pa na sa korte. Mag cg siya ug pangatarungan sa media nga wa man unya nay bearing sa iyang kaso kung maka presenta ang gobyerno ug evidensya batok niya. Sa kaso god bai palig-unay na ug ebidinsya. Mas maayo nga kanang iyang gi pang claim karon adto niya i probar sa korte.

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