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    Default Re: Are You in Favor of Due Process To Bad Elements in the Society ?


    Quote Originally Posted by monroy View Post
    I think due process is important for the ordinary, average citizen. But it is being abused by powerful criminals and corrupt politicians. I believe in due process but I also favor a relaxation of the rules when the accused is a wealthy drug lord or a politician. Because such persons have immense wealth and power, it is close to impossible to convict them if you provide full due process.

    I also think that people who run for public office should be made to relinquish some of their due process rights such as the necessity of being proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt or the right to privacy and anti-wiretapping. This will make it easier to remove corrupt officials if there is merely a strong doubt that they are guilty.
    totally agree with bro!

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    Quote Originally Posted by amingb View Post
    Para sa ako ang isa ka Elements sa Democrasya is Due Process ug walay due process walay Democrasya ..

    1. You have the right to receive notice of charges in a timely fashion.

    2. You have the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

    3. You have the right to be presented with a search warrant. Without one, it is unlawful for the police or any government official to enter your home, search, or seize your property.

    4. You have the right to be presented with a warrant for your arrest unless the police actually saw you commit a crime or have probable cause to believe you have committed a crime based on their personal investigation at the scene.

    5. You have the right to a writ of habeas corpus if you are arrested and imprisoned.

    6. You have the right to remain silent and speak with an attorney before making any statement to the authorities.

    7. You have the right to confront your accuser and to cross-examine witnesses against you.

    8. You have the right to refuse to answer questions that might incriminate you.

    9. You have the right to a transcript of all proceedings, hearings, and trials though you will have to order and pay for them unless you are found to be indigent.

    10. You have the right to subpoena witnesses and any documents or other evidence that may support your position or contradict evidence presented against you.

    11. You have a right to a trial by jury in all criminal matters that may be punished by imprisonment by an impartial jury of your peers.


    Kamo lay puno ug naa pa ....


    Naa pay chance na sila mag bag-o ... ang Ginoo ray kabalo mo silot anang klasi sa tawo ug dili jud mag usab ...

    para sa akoa lang ang importante buhaton sa atong goberno is Police Visiblility 24/7 in all places nga peligroso labi na sa mga Urban City ... mao rajud na mag solve crimilinalidad ...
    12. In the Philippines expect every inch of your rights violated and due process not followed.

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    Default Re: Are You in Favor of Due Process To Bad Elements in the Society ?

    13. The right to have the media out! shooo shooo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by reptoid View Post
    I think that's key. So many old family monopolies here controlling supply and price of essential goods and services. Deregulation and opening up to foreign investment would be good for the people. The competition would bring prices down and new jobs would appear as new markets emerge.
    Thats right .. they can bring their profit everywhere but they cant bring the resources espcially Land ..

    kinsa man gud Filipino Capitalist kaya mo invest ug bigtime project worth 60% .. way lain mga taipan ..

    ang problema ana man gud lisod na nga provision usabon kay kanang mga Pamilyaha nga nag monopolize sa atong economy kusog kaau na mo Lobby sa mga Tongressman ....

    Most of All Stable Economy will Lessen Criminality ... dili na kaau daghan bughaonon nga mga criminal ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by amingb View Post
    Thats right .. they can bring their profit everywhere but they cant bring the resources espcially Land ..

    kinsa man gud Filipino Capitalist kaya mo invest ug bigtime project worth 60% .. way lain mga taipan ..

    ang problema ana man gud lisod na nga provision usabon kay kanang mga Pamilyaha nga nag monopolize sa atong economy kusog kaau na mo Lobby sa mga Tongressman ....

    Most of All Stable Economy will Lessen Criminality ... dili na kaau daghan bughaonon nga mga criminal ..
    that's the problem, who will dare clean up this country when those who are suppose to clean it up are busy hiding their dirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yiennahs View Post
    that's the problem, who will dare clean up this country when those who are suppose to clean it up are busy hiding their dirt.
    1. Bloody Revolution ... ang problema man gud sa pinas kay by Island man gud mag lisod ta ug Organize ug klaro unya mag lisod ta Attack sa mga military camp labi nang Crame ug Malacanang ....

    Ug parihas pako ka rich ni Bill Gates mo palit ko ug B1 bomber unahon nako bomba nang Malacanang sunod ang Senate sunod ang Congress ...

    2. ang ikaduha nga Option dili ta papalit sa atong Votes ... pilion nato ang Klaro nga Politico nga atoang butaran ... dili na palabi ug Idol anang mga Artista nga Politico, bisan anak ug Presidente nga way utok ang baba ra ga ratatat kay sure jud ko anang mga tawhana wa jud nay Ayo ... puera Hisgot lang atong Anhing Fernando Poe dili jud to siya angayan ma Presidente.

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    Default Re: Are You in Favor of Due Process To Bad Elements in the Society ?

    Quote Originally Posted by amingb View Post
    1. Bloody Revolution ... ang problema man gud sa pinas kay by Island man gud mag lisod ta ug Organize ug klaro unya mag lisod ta Attack sa mga military camp labi nang Crame ug Malacanang ....

    Ug parihas pako ka rich ni Bill Gates mo palit ko ug B1 bomber unahon nako bomba nang Malacanang sunod ang Senate sunod ang Congress ...

    2. ang ikaduha nga Option dili ta papalit sa atong Votes ... pilion nato ang Klaro nga Politico nga atoang butaran ... dili na palabi ug Idol anang mga Artista nga Politico, bisan anak ug Presidente nga way utok ang baba ra ga ratatat kay sure jud ko anang mga tawhana wa jud nay Ayo ... puera Hisgot lang atong Anhing Fernando Poe dili jud to siya angayan ma Presidente.
    ug kung uabn pay pasultiun, "exterminate religion!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by reptoid View Post
    Due process is an essential part of any fair legal system. Look where ($) billionaires choose to live... not in Russia or Venezuela or any other place where politicians ride roughshod over the law. They go where there is stability and a long established legal framework which is globally recognized as being impartial.
    I think billionaires or rich people in general will choose to live wherever they can make the most money. China is #2 on the list of countries with the most billionaires and I don't think they have any sort of due process or fairness in their legal system. Russia by the way is #3. Billionaires don't like Venezuela because its leader is a crazy communist and so it's not in their best interest to live there.

    The people who should care the most and should be protected the most by due process are ordinary citizens. Billionaires don't really care about or need due process because they can buy protection wherever they may live, be it China, Russia or whatever country. The number of billionaires in prison is probably less than the number of fingers in my left hand for this very reason.

    Countries with strong legal systems and have the best due process don't have the most billionaires, but they are among the most well-run countries where the average citizen is wealthy and enjoys a high standard of living. In other words, they are more egalitarian (have a strong middle class), highly educated and upwardly mobile. In my opinion, the countries with the best legal systems are mostly British colonies and include Canada, Australia, the United States, Hong Kong, Singapore and of course England itself. You can't have strong legal systems if you don't have a well-educated elite. Credit must also be given to British common law which has been developed and refined over hundreds of years to become what it is today, and since flexibility is built into the common law system, it quickly adapts and continues to improve. On the other hand, our system of civil laws is bogged down by volumes of special laws and acts, most of which are useless and created by stupid politicians who have nothing better to do that write stupid laws. Among these laws are the pernicious Lina Law which has set back property rights in this country by centuries and the Juvenile Justice Act...
    Last edited by monroy; 07-07-2011 at 08:36 PM.

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    ^I believe that most Chinese billionaires are homegrown. A foreign tycoon may invest in China, but I don't think he would choose to live there, although Hong Kong is a different story. Take a look at how many Russian moguls transferred to London (buying up some of the most expensive real estate on the planet) and ask yourself why....... it is in my estimation because they are confident in the fairness of the legal system. Even Julian Assange went to the UK at the height of his problems because he knew that the system there is impartial and highly developed.

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    honestly i'm against it at first because those bastards doesn't deserve it but in a way it also gives a chance for those who are wrongfully accused to be heard. i'm sure you would would appreciate that especially kung ikaw ang accused and you wanted to be heard.
    Audentes Fortuna Juvat

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