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    Quote Originally Posted by Luthienne
    witch is to warlock as nun is to priest. --it was told that there was one pope in history who turned out to be a woman. but nobody is sure of that now.
    Oh, you didn't know. Click here to finally discover the truth about it: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08407a.htm . Here is the most important portion of that entry:
    PROOFS OF ITS MYTHICAL CHARACTER

    The principal proofs of the entirely mythical character of the popess are:

    1. Not one contemporaneous historical source among the papal histories knows anything about her; also, no mention is made of her until the middle of the thirteenth century. Now it is incredible that the appearance of a "popess", if it was an historical fact, would be noticed by none of the numerous historians from the tenth to the thirteenth century.

    2. In the history of the popes, there is no place where this legendary figure will fit in.

    Between Leo IV and Benedict III, where Martinus Polonus places her, she cannot be inserted, because Leo IV died 17 July, 855, and immediately after his death Benedict III was elected by the clergy and people of Rome; but owing to the setting up of an antipope, in the person of the deposed Cardinal Anastasius, he was not consecrated until 29 September. Coins exist which bear both the image of Benedict III and of Emperor Lothair, who died 28 September, 855; therefore Benedict must have been recognized as pope before the last-mentioned date. On 7 October, 855, Benedict III issued a charter for the Abbey of Corvey. Hincmar, Archbishop of Reims, informed Nicholas I that a messenger whom he had sent to Leo IV learned on his way of the death of this pope, and therefore handed his petition to Benedict III, who decided it (Hincmar, ep. xl in P.L., CXXXVI, 85). All these witnesses prove the correctness of the dates given in the lives of Leo IV and Benedict III, and there was no interregnum between these two popes, so that at this place there is no room for the alleged popess.

    Further, is is even less probable that a popess could be inserted in the list of popes about 1100, between Victor III (1087) and Urban II (1088-99) or Paschal II (1099-1110), as is suggested by the chronicle of Jean de Mailly.
    Peace, so be it.

  2. #22

    Default Women ordained as priest in Canada

    pwede na ang women basta gwapa lng

  3. #23

    Default Women ordained as priest in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Luthienne
    it was told that there was one pope in history who turned out to be a woman. but nobody is sure of that now.
    That's the myth of Pope Joan It is pure fiction.

    From: POPE FICTION: Answers to Five Myths and Misconceptions About the Papacy
    By Patrick Madrid

    A lot of things are said about the alleged "Pope Joan." Depending on who
    is telling the story, she was a courageous feminist, a clever opportunist,
    a brilliant scholar who couldn't make it as a woman in a man's world. She
    is said to have been a wise ruler and an astute theologian, though, oddly,
    no decree or theological teaching purporting to have come from her has
    made its way down to our day.

    In any case, the fact is, there was no Pope Joan. She exists only as pure
    legend, but one that makes for a sexy story. And when it comes to sexy
    stories, you know Hollywood will try its hand at making a blockbuster out
    of this piece of pope fiction. New Line Cinema (that's right, the same
    good folks who produced The Last Temptation of Christ) has reportedly
    bought the movie rights to Pope Joan, the best-selling 1996 novel by Donna
    Woolfolk Cross. Her book is couched as an historical "novel" --
    embellishing on a grand scale the rather sparse details that have clung to
    the legend of a brilliant, plain girl who rises to the highest levels in
    Church service, culminating in her being elected pope by an unsuspecting
    college of cardinals. The way the book is written and the way it's being
    promoted support my concern that it will be seen by most of its
    historically ignorant readers, not as a novel, a fiction, but as a real
    biography of the one woman who "made it to the top." When the movie comes
    out, this problem will certainly grow in proportions.

    It's important to remember that even if there had been a female impostor
    pope, this would just mean that an invalid election had taken place,
    nothing more. Other invalidly elected claimants to the papal office have
    come and gone over the centuries, and the fact that a woman made that list
    would simply mean that a woman made that list, She would not have been
    pope -- no one invalidly elected would be. And nothing in the Church's
    teachings about the papacy would be injured or disproved.

    But in reality, the Pope Joan story is all sizzle and no steak. The basic
    outline of the main legend (actually, there have been several competing
    legends over the centuries) has it that in the ninth or tenth century, a
    plain but extraordinarily brilliant young woman contrived to enter the
    university disguised as a man. Her intellect outstripped her male
    classmates and she shot to the top rank of students. Talk of her prowess
    in law, science, rhetoric, philosophy and languages was widespread.

    In another legend, popularized by several 13th century works such as the
    Chronicle of Martin Polonus, the Universal Chronicle of Metz and Wonders
    of the City of Rome, she traveled first to Greece with her boyfriend (why
    he wanted a girlfriend who disguised herself as a man is unknown), made a
    name for herself in the university there, then traveled to Rome.

    Here all the legends converge into the main one that has come down to our
    day. Once in Rome, Joan managed to enter religious life (although no
    legend is able to say which order she entered), was ordained a priest and
    earned a high reputation as a notary in the papal court. Eventually, she
    was noticed by the pope and made a cardinal. You can guess what happens
    next. She is eventually elected pope, takes the name John, and sets about
    skillfully ruling the Church, It's at this point that the most dramatic
    scenes of the story unfold.

    The legends vary as to how Joan's gender and identity were discovered. One
    holds that she was granted a vision by God in which she was shown two
    options for her fate, being discovered and disgraced by the world or
    roasting in hell for her crime. She chose the former. Another version says
    she got pregnant by one of her curial advisors and somehow was able to
    maintain the charade until she gave birth to the baby. At that point her
    secret was discovered and she was deposed as pope and sent to a convent to
    do penance for the rest of her life. According to this legend, the child
    she bore went on to became the bishop of Ostia, about 30 miles southwest
    of Rome, and when she died, he had her body buried there. Of course, no
    evidence exists to support this.

    The main detail these legends have in common is that Joan was discovered
    because her hanky panky with a cardinal or secretary resulted in
    pregnancy, and the childbirth exposed her fraud. The main legend is the
    most gory on this point. In it, Pope Joan goes into labor while riding in
    her sede gestiatoria -- the portable throne in which popes were carried
    -- as her procession passed the Coliseum on its way from St, Peter's
    Basilica to St. John Lateran Cathedral. The procession halted, the baby
    was born, and the confused and angry onlookers killed Pope Joan and her
    baby on the spot. Most accounts say she was killed by stoning, another
    says she died in childbirth as the mob watching the spectacle shouted and
    insulted her. Still another says she was dragged to death behind a horse
    as punishment. Either way, the legends agree that the Romans didn't
    appreciate the unpleasant discovery.

    Several odd historical details gave weight to the legend, including the
    fact that among the carved busts of the popes in the cathedral of Sienna
    was one of an unnamed woman, No one knows who created it or how it was put
    there, but when Pope Clement VIII (reigned 1592 - 1605) discovered it, he
    ordered it reworked enough to represent Pope Zacharias, whose image had
    not previously been included in the collection. This is not surprising,
    though, given the widespread belief in Europe in the Pope Joan legend
    during the 13th through 18th centuries. Versions abounded, and many
    credulous folk, Catholics included, were sincerely convinced that there
    had indeed been a female pope.

    But the facts of history show otherwise. The primary proofs that this is
    all just a fable are these: First, the earliest point that we can trace
    the legend to is the mid-13th century, but the legend didn't really gain
    wide currency until the late 14th century. No evidence of any kind exists
    from the ninth century (when Pope Joan was alleged to have reigned), nor
    do we see any in the 10th through 12th centuries. None of the annals or
    acts of the popes that were written between the ninth and 13th centuries
    (and none after that, either) mention her.

    Church historian J. P. Kirsch wrote that "Not one contemporaneous
    historical source among the papal histories knows anything about her,
    also, no mention is made of her until the middle of the 13th century. Now
    it is incredible that the appearance of a 'popess,' if it was a historical
    fact, would be noticed by none of the numerous historians from the 10th to
    the 13th century. In the history of the popes, there is no place where
    this legendary figure will fit in. Between Leo IV and Benedict III, where
    Martinus Polonus places her, she cannot be inserted . . ."(Article on Pope
    Joan, Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913).

    So where did the legend come from? There are two likely possibilities, The
    first is that the Roman population became disgusted with the corrupt
    influence wielded over Pope Sergius (reigned 904-911) by the powerful and
    wealthy Theodora Theophylact, and more specifically by her young daughter
    Morozia, a cunning and exceptionally attractive woman. It appears that
    Morozia was Sergius' mistress and bore him at least one son (the future
    Pope John XI). The fabulously wealthy and prestigious Theophylact family
    wielded immense power in Rome during the 10th century, even, sadly, over
    several popes. This is a sorry episode in the history of the Church, one
    which displayed a decadence and immorality that even popes, at times,
    could fall prey to -- a reminder to us all that men, even the holiest of
    men, are not invulnerable to temptation and personal weakness. Despite
    their sins, Christ's promise that the Church would be protected from error
    was not, nor has it ever been, broken.

    From the details of Sergius III's pontificate, it seems clear that he was
    a vain, violent and sensuous man. It's quite possible that the disgusted
    faithful took to mocking him or one of his immediate successors because he
    was perceived to have been under the influence of the Theophylact women.
    Some historians trace the legend of a female pope to Morozia, saying the
    people called her "Pope Joan" to mock the weak popes she controlled, in
    the same way some American first ladies have been called "president" to
    mock their perceived weak husbands.

    Another possible explanation for the Pope Joan legend lies in the conduct
    of the much maligned Pope John VIII (reigned 872-882). He appears to have
    had a very weak personality, even perhaps somewhat effeminate. Cardinal
    Baronius, in his Church history Annals, suggests that John VIII's
    reputation as effeminate gave rise to the legend. Indeed, it would seem
    that over time, the common folk added ever more lurid embellishments until
    the vulgar jokes about the hapless (and certainly male) pope ballooned and
    metamorphosed into a female "popessa."

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    Default Women ordained as priest in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by walaylami
    pwede na ang women basta gwapa lng
    O.T. - pagkaWALAYLAMI! :mrgreen:

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumsfield
    Quote Originally Posted by HoundedbyHeaven
    Quote Originally Posted by rumsfield
    der's nating wrong about dat a woman catholic priest. No need 2 xplain about dat.
    Everything is wrong in a female Catholic priest just as everything is wrong in a male Catholic nun. No need to explain about those.
    a male catholic nun? y not? y s'der samting wrong about dat idea?
    That's the point... A priest is for a male and a Nun is for a female... If there's nothing wrong with a male becoming a Nun, then there's no point in creating such title as a "Nun" and such titles as a "Priest." In the same way that there's no point in creating a title "Male" and a title "Female"....

  6. #26
    Nice. We should do this here in the Philippines. Or do this more if it's been done already. Im just too secular.

  7. #27
    Forgive my ignorance, but what's the real score of becoming a priest? Is it supposed to be some sort of leadership position which nuns/females are unauthorized to perform such as officiating a mass?

    If these females want to herd their own flock, they should just resign from their posts and start their own church denomination, rather than mock the Catholic faith.

  8. #28
    right now, i don't know what to think about these women... but what i'm sure of is i wouldn't to go to mass if they're the officiating priests.

  9. #29
    yes mao jud dli nlng ta moatend sa mass if cla ang momisa...hehe

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by HoundedbyHeaven View Post
    Can I try and give you one? The Holy Eucharist is the Mystical Body of the Lord Jesus Christ, who is a male. The Holy Eucharist is therefore the male Mystical Body of the Lord Jesus. When a priest utters the words of consecration, when the bread and the wine is transubstantiated into the Body and Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, the priest is acting "in persona Christi" or "in the person of Christ". The person of Christ is male, just as He was male. The priest has to be a male to act "in persona Christi". This is a requirement. No bread and wine can be consecrated, can be transubstantiated into the Mystical Body and Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ if the priest is not male. This is the very core reason of it all.
    I must have a vague understanding why women can't spread the word of God by holding a mass. Galatians, specifically in chapter 3, verse 28.
    "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male or female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

    Just because physically, they're females?
    Christ was born from the holy spirit and the holy spirit is neither male or female. It's just that Christ was born male because during his time, people are sexist- they think male are superior than females.

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