Whats the Best / Budget Wise / Card for Graphic Artist ?

[andz]

I really can't agree, there's a-lot of computer companies right now using LCD's dropping CRT's its all in the user, if they know how to configure it. LCD>CRT.

All Programmers from Blizzard Entertainment (creator for starcraft, warcraft, diablo) use Dual 22-26" LCD's.
Almost all Programmers from EA Games( creator of sims 3, etc.) use Dual 22-26" LCD's

32" 1080P HDTV is better then 30" LCD Monitor for a computer even if you get the one with 25xx resolution, the 32" HDTV's will always have the better color, the better quality. I have experienced this myself since i actually sell all of this.

You should try using an HDTV w/ 1080p not the 720p and compare it with other 30" lcd's made for computer.. quality is so far away.
I myself use a 32" HDTV 1080P Panasonic @ 1920x1080 resolution for gaming, video editing, rendering, programming and photo editing. The quality is amazing, before i used an LG 22" to a Samsung 26" those are nothing compared to an HDTV. If you seen Crysis looking so good on a 22" how much more better on a 32" HDTV atleast around 3-5 ft away. The problem with HDTV's you need to be a little far away if you want best quality.

If you exceed 40" i suggest getting a Plasma Tv... Plasma > LCD above 40" there's already many debates about this in the interwebs, you can easily go google and type Plasma vs LCD.

Anyway this is getting off-topic. sorry

4770 Budget wise lol

[ArtVincent.Ph]

^^ mas mo-agree ko sa imong opinion sir andz...dli kaayo ko convincing sa g-sulti na better ang CRT for editing and such....ang pag color calebration rana magdaog... labi na sa LCD......ngano gud tawon mas nindot / clear / ang CRT...bisag CRT gani kay i-color calibrate ghapon na. anyways..dli man sad ko technical kaayo..am not into hardcore 3d editing or animation..budget wise lang ko..if am gonna study and practice CAD / 3DMAX / (video editing) .i need a "budget wise" vid card that can support it labi na nig render ana..

@c.e
thanks for your response master, pero overkill ra kaayo na..hehehe..bitaw..nice recommendation...additional info/knowledge ba.

@limes
thanks sad sa pag tubag bro..dli lang kaayo ko mo agree sa imong opinion about CRT are better than LCD in such works.... LCD are not made only for gaming kay tungon sa c.ratio / response time, its becoz mas clear/slimmer/better technology than crt siya/. kita ba diay ka og animation studios na nag gamit pa karon og CRT?...TV hinoon, mo agree pako labi na kana sa mga VIDEO EDITING studios kay lahi ang output sa LCD from TV..

bitaw bro..better look at the pics below..


-furniture companies


-animation studios

i dont think na 4gb ang requirement sa Windows 7 64bit edition....murag 2gb raman for 64bit os.
64bit and x64 - Windows 7 System Requirements Finalized

[cointoss]

^^ mas mo-agree ko sa imong opinion sir andz...dli kaayo ko convincing sa g-sulti na better ang CRT for editing and such....ang pag color calebration rana magdaog... labi na sa LCD......ngano gud tawon mas nindot / clear / ang CRT...bisag CRT gani kay i-color calibrate ghapon na. anyways..dli man sad ko technical kaayo..am not into hardcore 3d editing or animation..budget wise lang ko..if am gonna study and practice CAD / 3DMAX / (video editing) .i need a "budget wise" vid card that can support it labi na nig render ana..

@c.e
thanks for your response master, pero overkill ra kaayo na..hehehe..bitaw..nice recommendation...additional info/knowledge ba.

@limes
thanks sad sa pag tubag bro..dli lang kaayo ko mo agree sa imong opinion about CRT are better than LCD in such works.... LCD are not made only for gaming kay tungon sa c.ratio / response time, its becoz mas clear/slimmer/better technology than crt siya/. kita ba diay ka og animation studios na nag gamit pa karon og CRT?...TV hinoon, mo agree pako labi na kana sa mga VIDEO EDITING studios kay lahi ang output sa LCD from TV..

bitaw bro..better look at the pics below..


-furniture companies


-animation studios

i dont think na 4gb ang requirement sa Windows 7 64bit edition....murag 2gb raman for 64bit os.
64bit and x64 - Windows 7 System Requirements Finalized

kalami sa cintiq!

[limes]

@ts well dili siya requirement pero recommended ang 4gb for a 64bit usually above 3.2gb 64bit os and ang 3.2 and below sa mga 32bit os. search lang na diri sa mga posts daghan mga related ana na topic.

ang pasabot nko na mga crt's for editing dili man sad to katong mga baratuhon na unsa ra na. pero maskin ako prefer ko sa mga lcd's karon well not all sad baya nag gamit ug lcd mas accurate siya ug color compared sa mga typical na crts compared to typical lcd's.
5years from now cguro maka ingon jud ko na majority na jud ang mga nag lcds karon pero murag daghan naman gani kaau karon nag lcd maskin sa mga internet cafes.

im outdated kay 1year na to kapin ang ako knowledge about sa best for editing ambot lang kung naa nay na himo na bag.o na screenpanel sa mga lcds na recommended jud para sa editing ug photos not making them by drawing.

dako ang resolution and the bigger the screen the better. even though naay mga zoom function sa mga softwares.

your high end hdtv is not advisable for editing although nindut siya ug output pero sure ka na mao na ang true output niya sa real jud without the enhancements? sadly no, that only looks great on a hdscreen imagine it on a midend or lowend type lcd would that look good? i bet no.
if you are the only one watching your stufs then that would be nice but not for other screens, only less people have hdscreens especially on 3rdworlds imagine it if you worked on it on midend screens then those brightness,contrast and color levels would suite almost all screens.

i bet very expensive kaau na ilang mga gamit for art nila na mga thin monitors. anyone know what type of panels they are using?

[Envy 64Ht]

ambot lang kung naa nay na himo na bag.o na screenpanel sa mga lcds na recommended jud para sa editing ug photos not making them by drawing.

IPS panels, mostly for gfx editing jud. but mahal, for me i still use a SONY E220 (aperture grill) CRT for editing.

# IPS: S-IPS, H-IPS etc. are improved versions of the basic IPS technology, but it boils down to just marketing speak because they can be seen as different generations of IPS technology (one replaces the other). This technology is optimized for graphic work like image editing, website design etc. and it is excellent for those tasks as well. But it doesn’t do as good in movies as the VA technology because of the weaker black values.

@ TS. 9600GT, HD4770 will do the job.

[ArtVincent.Ph]

@envy

thanks for responding also..

@limes

that is a WACOM cintiq - part of the interactive pen display LCD display.its a UXGA TFT LCD is ICC profiled.

anywayz layo na kaayo ta sa topic ..heheh..bitaw bro..depende ra na sa quality,output sa LCD / CRT. kay kana bitaw big companies diri kay MAC man gamit..which is LCD...sa una siguro recommended jud ang CRT kay lahi ra og output ang LCD sa screen (in terms rasad sa Colour Purity) ...pero karon dili na siguro magkalahi...gawas lang bahatohon na LCD.

kuwang nalang ani dri kay a couple of beers and peanuts..heheheh..anyways...back to our topic..hehhee

[centax error]

I would like to add and below is a very good explanation of what panel is best suited for specific need.


A. S-IPS Panel Technology
-S-IPS/H-IPS panels are generally considered the best all around panel type, but they are more expensive and very few are made. High end, expensive.

Spoiler! 

S-IPS/H-IPS (In Plane Switching) panels are generally considered the best overall LCD technology for image quality, color accuracy and viewing angles, but this comes at a price. They are well suited for graphics design and other applications which require accurate and consistent color reproduction. S-IPS panels offer the best viewing angles of any current LCD technology, with wide viewing angles up to 178 degress. The response time of S-IPS is adequate, ranging from 6ms to 16ms with current panels. This is only slightly slower than TN panels. However, gamers should take this into consideration. Fast paced games may suffer from motion blur or ghosting with S-IPS panels that have a response time higher than 8ms.

There are currently few manufacturers using S-IPS panels in comparison to the other panels types making choices limited and they often carry a premium price tag

Example of S-IPS LCD monitor

Spoiler! 

Apple Cinema 20,23,30"
Apple LED Cinema 20, 23,30"
Dell 2007WFP
Dell 2209WA
Dell 3007WFP-HC
Dell 3008WFP
Dell U2410
HP L2335
HP LP2475w
HP LP3065
LG L2000CP
LG W2600HP
LG W3000H
Philips 230WP7NS
Philips 240PW9EB/69

B. S-PVA Panel Technology
-S-PVA/MVA panels offer better color reproduction and viewing angles than TN panels, have slightly worse response times than TN or S-IPS, offer the best contrast ratios, may suffer from color shifting or input lag and have higher availability than S-IPS panels. Mid range, fair price.

Spoiler! 

VA (Vertical Alignment) technology such as S-PVA/MVA are middle of the road LCD panels. They offer better color reproduction and wider viewing angles than TN panels, but have slower response times. They are very similar to S-IPS on paper. They also offer large viewing angles and good color reproduction, though not as good as S-IPS. The response times are generally worse than TN or S-IPS panels and there have been reports of a few panels that suffer from input lag, so VA technology may not be the best choice for fast paced gaming.

VA panels have the advantage of higher contrast ratios compared to other panel types, which leads to better black levels. The biggest disadvantage of VA based panels is color shifting. Color shifting is when the image viewed from one angle changes or "shifts" when viewed from a slightly different angle, making various uneven brightness levels across the display. This bothers many users to the point they will not even consider buying a VA based panel, while other users don't notice/aren't bothered by the color shifting. Color shifts also cause a loss of shadow detail in dark scenes when viewed directly from the center. VA panels are much easier to find compared to IPS because so many manufacturers use them. They offer better image quality than TN at lower price than IPS based panels.

C. TN Panel Technology
-TN panels are very cheap and have the fastest response times, but suffer from inferior color reproduction, contrast ratios and viewing angles. Low end, inexpensive.

Spoiler! 

TN (Twisted Nematic) panels are the most widely used panel type as they are cheap and offer excellent response times, making them perfect for fast paced gaming. The response times of current TN panels range from 2ms to 5ms. However, color reproduction, viewing angles and contrast ratios of TN panels are the worst of any LCD panel technology. Unlike most 8-bit S-IPS/S-PVA/MVA panels, TN panels are only 6-bit and unable to display the full 16.7 million colors available in 24-bit true color. They can mimick the 16.7 million colors of 8-bit panels using a technique called dithering, but the results are unimpressive.

TN panels have become popular with the average user because they are very inexpensive. They are also the only panels currently being used in 22" widescreen monitors, a very popular size. Many of these 22" TN panels are around the same price or cheaper than other 20" monitors with different panel types, so it is easy to see how how they gained popularity. Afterall, the average user buys a monitor based on price and size.

Examples of TN LCD monitor

Spoiler! 

Samsung SyncMaster T190,T220,T240,T260
BenQ G2400WD
LG Flatron L227WTG-PF
ASUS VH236H
ViewSonic VX2260wm

Tip:

Unfortunately, manufacturers don't always tell what kind of display technology they use. One clue that you are getting a TN display is that the viewing angle will be lower than 178°. For example our Dell 2409W lists a display angle of 160° / 170°. Dell is good in that they tell you straight-up that it's a TN panel too--duh, that's why it's half the price of the Ultrasharp 2408 24"

There are a lot drawbacks to the cheap LCD's that use TN displays. If you aren't doing critical color work on the monitor, then it might be OK. I wouldn't do a lot of graphics work on it. I definitely wouldn't use it to color correct your next video. LCD display technology is complex and there are many issues that go into making a good (or bad) monitor. But you should definitely know up front what you are getting when you pick a TN display.

[limes]

@ts better get the ips type panel for your work pero if mahal ra kaau go for pva/mva pero nig mahal lang ghapon adto na sa last option tn panels majority sa mga tao nag gamit ana. hehehe including me
heres some help in choosing your monitor display.
Monitor/Panel Hub
Comprehensive List of S-IPS/H-IPS/e-IPS and other IPS Based LCD Monitors

[ArtVincent.Ph]

@limes...
thanks for the info bro...
@c.e
thanks sir for the additional info..

layo naman kaayo ni atong topic...hehee..from v.c to crt to lcd's.heehheeh

[centax error]

just to show that vcard is only half of the equation, the other half is the display if you want to get serious on what you do