Aquinas’ 'First Way' or first proof of the existence of God

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unlike the christian conception nga ang God nahimong flesh so it raises the point nga puede diay part sa creation ang Ginoo.

that is the greatest manifestation of God's Love...

God made flesh...

ni-naog jud siya...to our being...and saves us....


I love St. Thomas Aquinas! maldito sad ni siya...hehe

[Traditz]

ang argumento ni aquinas kinahanglan kuno og cause para mo exist ang usa ka butang karon kung ato kunong tanawon ang ni cause to exist para sa usa ka butang dayon naa pa jud ni cause og exist atong usa ka butang para mo exist ang katong ni exist na butang (lol lipong ko da), gino-o na kuno ang kinalasan. karon akong pangutana kinsa may nag himo sa gino-o? kung sya nag himo sa universe nga complex kaayo di ba unta sya mismo complex sab? kung complex sya naa pa jud unta naghimon niya.

para sa akoa lang, wala'y naghimo sa Ginoo. ang idea ka'y dapat naa ju'y uncaused cause di ba kay kung wala'y uncaused cause o first cause, wala unta'y effect. sa ako'ng pagsabot, kini'ng uncaused cause ni-fit ni siya sa description nga God, kay only a being as a God naa'y ingun ana nga essence og power.

para nako sab, sakto nga complex ang universe kay daghan siya elements og parts. pero si God dili man tingali siya complex kay "spirit" man siya o "mind", wala siya'y physical parts. so in essence simple ra kaayo siya. ang complex siguro sa iya is the way he thinks.

[The_Child]

ingun sa akong maestro g.tubag na siyng kant; misuse daw na sa principle of causality, valid ra daw na in the realm of experience but if we conclude in the level of transcendental-kanang God ang conclusion, then it is invalid

sakto jud bai. banggitan man gud kaayo imong mga maestro, mga taga leuven ug holy cross sa rome.

also, an earlier guy's idea can invalidate aquinas attempt: hume's skepticism.

[regnauld]

sakto jud bai. banggitan man gud kaayo imong mga maestro, mga taga leuven ug holy cross sa rome.

also, an earlier guy's idea can invalidate aquinas attempt: hume's skepticism.

Basin ikaw the child baggiiitan sad ka nga maestro sa usc philo dept.

[The_Child]

Basin ikaw the child baggiiitan sad ka nga maestro sa usc philo dept.

basin ra man kaha? we leave that to speculation. i told hell nga urbanist ko. perhaps i should also tell blue, that im an urbanist, im telling you now, im an urbanist, or you could tell blue im really an urbanist, convince him i am.

dont trust what you hear from people, talks deceive. OT na pud ta ani. i dont understand you guys, is a fuss needed to for that? im an urbanist. Bow*


i saw you though one time, when i was visiting someone in CAFA, you were doing your psych lecture.

[regnauld]

basin ra man kaha? we leave that to speculation. i told hell nga urbanist ko. perhaps i should also tell blue, that im an urbanist, im telling you now, im an urbanist, or you could tell blue im really an urbanist, convince him i am.

dont trust what you hear from people, talks deceive. OT na pud ta ani. i dont understand you guys, is a fuss needed to for that? im an urbanist. Bow*


i saw you though one time, when i was visiting someone in CAFA, you were doing your psych lecture.

OT: Now I saw you too! You are Philo teacher, teaching LOGIC i guess!

Yes I have a class in CAFA basement!

[The_Child]

i said, i dont teach logic. I'm an urbanist, maniwala ka ni mr. blue he mistook me for another person.


but this is totally out of the point, im still saying, that aquinas is invalidated by the moderns.

[bluedes]

that is the greatest manifestation of God's Love...

God made flesh...

ni-naog jud siya...to our being...and saves us....


I love St. Thomas Aquinas! maldito sad ni siya...hehe

Does God need to love us?

The premise of Christianity is that we are all sinners and we need to be saved.. so nagbuhat dayon ug Savior.. it's a very elaborate story fabricated to suit the religion.

[The_Child]

OT: Now I saw you too! You are Philo teacher, teaching LOGIC i guess!

Yes I have a class in CAFA basement!

of course you didnt. just a wild guess, coming from a wilder source.

[Egoist]

mao gsaway gyud na sa usa sa among maestro c aquinas kay out.dated na kuno kaayo na hehehe