ABORTION is it RIGHT or Wrong? Read the situation first.

[kebot]

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Sir, you did not answer my questions properly but I will refer you the post I gave to sir Bluedes.

Sorry brad i believe you just cannot or donot want to comprehend. I said if you stick with you dogma then accept it if not the its your choice... ikaw raman japon manubag sa imo action... But to give all abortion a RIGHT thing to do all the time, thats the haywire.

Qouted:
"When I see a pregnant woman, regardless of her circumstances, the first thing I recognize is hope, because God is at work with her. I want to help her see that. The baby is not a 'mistake,' even if her conduct [or the conduct of someone else] was.

This is where the big big difference brad, PERSPECTIVE. if you cannot accept then leave it to people who can. Does it mean they are STUPID? read this again "When I see a pregnant woman, regardless of her circumstances, the first thing I recognize is hope." Its inspirational brad dba? REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES...

source: Rape & Incest

[miyay]

this is what religion goes into haywire. I'm not saying that I am in favor of abortion but let's take a look at the side of the girl (teenager). Do you think when she conceived that baby she will not forget how she was raped? Now, everytime you see that child, the girl remind her anger, anguish, fear, insecurities and so because that child is a constant reminder of things that it happened to her.

If the situation is justifiable, why not? If that will happen to me... Of course I will not going to see myself beating a child that is a reminder of a crime. You guys don't know what women's body so it's easy for you to say that it's okay to conceive. You don't get pregnant we do. Rape is rape and it's a crime but that will change my whole aspect in life... my future and my family. It's not easy to bear things that is forced to you.

bitaw, lisod jud ni na situation. i wouldn't know what to do if this happens to me.
at the same time, the documentary "silent scream" has such an impact on me that i don't know if i could go through an abortion. it was a video of an abortion. the baby was trying to evade, to no avail, the tong that was trying to crush its head. in my mind, that was murder on someone really helpless.

the sisters/priests of my all girls catholic school were really wily to show it to impressionable highschool kids. i don't think any of my batchmates had an abortion. kung naa, gamay ra after watching that vid.

[tripwire]

haywire... whatever you do brad to the fetus, managot ka sa God if you believe him (its time she better ask God herself). If you want to raise him, then you will accept the child. If that is illogical to you maybe because you cannot comprehend God.

So, go on with your ways... Im no couselor brad, if that gives everyone all the right to do abortion because of your excuse... then how would you see your people doing multiple abortion in thier life... Maybe they have been raped over and over? I hope this makes sense to you brad.

Story is not about the CRIME OF RAPE. its the post action of Rape... so we will not discuss about rape...

This is what your thread is about, correct? Of course I'm talking about post-rape scenario! As I have said in my earlier post... you don't know our body (women) and you don't get pregnant - balance that first.

Now, since God is a forgiving being... why would He be mad at me if I am only protecting myself, my family? Why would He be mad if God sees good things for me? It will be traumatic sir kebot (if you understand it properly) if God is not reasonable and justifiable if my actions are for my own life. Do you think that's a good sign if keep on hurting the child in the process?

If God is forgiving, then there is no reason for me to be afraid. God is merciful man kaha.

[kebot]

This is what your thread is about, correct? Of course I'm talking about post-rape scenario! As I have said in my earlier post... you don't know our body (women) and you don't get pregnant - balance that first.

Now, since God is a forgiving being... why would He be mad at me if I am only protecting myself, my family? Why would He be mad if God sees good things for me? It will be traumatic sir kebot (if you understand it properly) if God is not reasonable and justifiable if my actions are for my own life. Do you think that's a good sign if keep on hurting the child in the process?

If God is forgiving, then there is no reason for me to be afraid. God is merciful man kaha.

What is wrong is this:

You are trying to ask for an excuse at the expense of his mercy. <---- FAIL

Wat we believe is that everything is not an accident, it there for a purpose. Science say its random chance... anyways my point is this if that happen to a Christian, she will ask our God all her questions. The truma of rape and now this unborn child. Its between her and my God brad. My sympathy is with the mother and not the child. If you ask me moral value of it I say just ask my God about it. If you want Sympathy she have all my sympathy. But moral and sympathy are two different things.

"A child does not lose its right to life simply because its father or its mother was a sexual criminal or a deviant." Kani nalang brad.

[tripwire]

What is wrong is this:

You are trying to ask for an excuse at the expense of his mercy. <---- FAIL

Fail? Who said it failed? That's not excuse sir kebot. That's logical reason. Do you think we don't ask for God's mercy? Why do you think it's a expense? Tell me the exact reason why you thought asking His mercy is an expense to Him?

Wat we believe is that everything is not an accident, it there for a purpose.

So raping has it's purpose now? I think all christians will be happy with this because if they rape a girl it is not accident but a purpose. This is twisted logic! What happens to the girl that's been raped? Do you think she will believe that it is not accident but a purpose? Hmmm... I don't know where do you get this ideas sir but you have more things to learn about abortion and it's causes.

Science say its random chance... anyways my point is this if that happen to a Christian, she will ask our God all her questions. The truma of rape and now this unborn child. Its between her and my God brad. My sympathy is with the mother and not the child. If you ask me moral value of it I say just ask my God about it. If you want Sympathy she have all my sympathy. But moral and sympathy are two different things.

You see kebot, there is perfectly good reason why there is justifiable cause about abortion. I'm not saying that I completely agree with it but women will deal this kind of things all the time. I have been a nurse for a long time and I have seen girls - teenagers comes in the ER badly beaten and raped. Physical change will happen in an instant once a girl is raped. You see, you don't understand the ill-effect of a girl's trauma before and after because you don't experience that ever. You can be raped but you will not get pregnant. That's the reality there. Now, if God purports to an issue that it has a purpose... then God misled us. But if God will understand that women is as fragile as a glass.. then God is merciful and He will understand what women will go through.

If you give sympathy then you should support the person's decision rather instigate her with fear and despair that God will not forgive you for the things you do. I suppose your religiosity is perplexing if you don't see what they will go through life.

"A child does not lose its right to life simply because its father or its mother was a sexual criminal or a deviant." Kani nalang brad.

Again, what will happen in the near future if that child is a constant reminder of the crime? Who will get benefits from that? In our country, we are "self-righteous" nut over something different. What will happen to that child when he or she goes to school? What will happen if their grandparents will not respect him/her? What will happen if that child goes to the same path as the rapist [if he's a boy]? What will happen if that child will go to the same "purpose" when she's a teenager and gets raped also?

You see kebot, abortion is a constant struggle between religion and personal decision. If you weigh things properly, God will always be there to help no matter what the outcome.

[bluedes]

this is what religion goes into haywire. I'm not saying that I am in favor of abortion but let's take a look at the side of the girl (teenager). Do you think when she conceived that baby she will not forget how she was raped? Now, everytime you see that child, the girl remind her anger, anguish, fear, insecurities and so because that child is a constant reminder of things that it happened to her.

If the situation is justifiable, why not? If that will happen to me... Of course I will not going to see myself beating a child that is a reminder of a crime. You guys don't know what women's body so it's easy for you to say that it's okay to conceive. You don't get pregnant we do. Rape is rape and it's a crime but that will change my whole aspect in life... my future and my family. It's not easy to bear
things that is forced to you.

that is a psychological dilemma that is left to individual women to address.. it would be unfair to generalize that women will tend to address it in that manner jud.. ive known women who are by-products of rape, and their mothers didnt treat them that way..

[KASAAC]

Know what, rape doesn't happened all the time...I am really against abortion, whatever the circumstances are life inside a woman's womb should not be aborted.Try to imagine yourself being the child about to be aborted...

[tripwire]

that is a psychological dilemma that is left to individual women to address.. it would be unfair to generalize that women will tend to address it in that manner jud.. ive known women who are by-products of rape, and their mothers didnt treat them that way..

That's true! But this was part of my thesis when I was completing my Masters degree {I passed with excellent grade - pinay gud. lol]. 9 out 10 thinks that it is traumatic and considering abortion is one option they will do. As I have said, this is between religion and personal decision.

[tripwire]

Know what, rape doesn't happened all the time...I am really against abortion, whatever the circumstances are life inside a woman's womb should not be aborted.Try to imagine yourself being the child about to be aborted...

Sir, the fact is that that child has no memory or knowledge that he or she gets aborted. I don't think the baby at a 12-week old will have complete understanding about religion and morals.

[KASAAC]

Ultimately, God will not give you such problems if He thinks you are incapable of getting away with it.