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  1. #21

    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Why did I say that? because Esoteric Christianity (inner teaching of Christianity) say so, that Jesus The Christ did not come here to die for our sins. Why should he die for your sins when in fact there is nothing to save? Jesus came here to enlighten us. When Jesus asked, "Where do you think is the kingdom of God?" Jesus replied, THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU!!! So, why does he have to save you and me when in fact GOD is WITHIN? You are the salt of the earth and THE LIGHT of the world!

    Esoteric Christianity is a term which refers to an ensemble of spiritual currents which regard Christianity as a mystery religion,[1][2] and profess the existence and possession of certain esoteric doctrines or practices,[3][4] hidden from the public but accessible only to a narrow circle of "enlightened", "initiated", or highly educated people.[5][6] These spiritual currents share some common denominators, such as:

    brod...supressing the purpose...

    this is a great move from a devil...para ma-divert ang hiunahuna sa mga tawo...

    na we don't need a Saviour...

    I pity...and this is a big mockery...

    The Lord Jesus had SAVED us!

  2. #22
    taasa pud ning imong article oi makalibat...mu quote lang kog gamay aning imong article ha...

    "I will expel thee in the name of God," said the preacher, solemnly.

    "You!" said the devil mockingly. "You will not expel me either in the name of God, or in the name of the devil. Did you ever hear of one devil driving out another?"

    "I am not a devil," said the preacher, angrily, "I am a servant of Christ."

    "A servant of Christ, indeed!" said Satan, with a sneer. "What! I tell you, you are worse than I am. I believe, and you do not want to believe. Do you suppose that you can expel me from the body of this miserable wretch? Ha! Go first and expel all the devils that are in your own heart!"
    kung tinuod man gani ni aw naa puy punto ang demonyo ani...hehehehe!

    but anyway, cge granting nato makapagawas mog demonyo, unsa may na prove ninyo? timan i, EVEN FALSE PROPHETS CAN CAST OUT DEVILS.

    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    see?

    in reality wala man jud mo nakapagawas ug mga evil spirits. taw awa nang inyong palibot awa nang inyong kadaghanang mga members diba puro dautan. tanang klaseng dautan naa sa katoliko. espiritu sa pagka adik, sugarol, bisyoso,criminal, burikat, etc... evil spirits man ang naglihok anang mga butanga, pero wala man gani na ninyo mapagawas.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Tobi View Post
    taasa pud ning imong article oi makalibat...mu quote lang kog gamay aning imong article ha...



    kung tinuod man gani ni aw naa puy punto ang demonyo ani...hehehehe!

    but anyway, cge granting nato makapagawas mog demonyo, unsa may na prove ninyo? timan i, EVEN FALSE PROPHETS CAN CAST OUT DEVILS.

    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    see?

    in reality wala man jud mo nakapagawas ug mga evil spirits. awa nang inyong kadaghanang mga members puro dautan. tanang klaseng dautan naa sa katoliko. espiritu sa pagka adik, sugarol, bisyoso,criminal, burikat, etc...evil spirits man ang naglihok anang mga butanga, pero wala man gani na ninyo mapagawas...
    1. brod, re-posted man ni fro my Fellow Catholics...sorry king taas kau ug naglibat kag binasa...

    2. we admit we are sinners...but doesn't disprove the Truth...would you mind telling me your chosen denomination...would you mind defending to me your chosen denomination?

    Thanks!

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by seven_segment View Post
    1. brod, re-posted man ni fro my Fellow Catholics...sorry king taas kau ug naglibat kag binasa...

    2. we admit we are sinners...but doesn't disprove the Truth...would you mind telling me your chosen denomination...would you mind defending to me your chosen denomination?

    Thanks!
    sakto ka bro ang tawo makasala...pero lahi man siguro nang makasala ug "dautan". kng muingon kag makasala, normal rana bro. humans are prone to sin. pero kung muingon kag dautan, mura mag bug at2x na bro kay intentional naman jud nang salaa.

    Member ko sa Church of God International kang Bro Eli Soriano. daghan kaayo muingon nga dautan daw among tinuuhan, pero kung mag observe ka sa among pundok, majority sa among mga kaigsuunan dili mga dautan. muingon lang ko ug majority kay dili man gud tanan nga nahisulod sa among pundok tinuod nga igsuon. kung mugamit kog percentage mga 10% ra siguro na sila sa tibuok population sa among pundok. pero kanang 90% sa among mga kaigsuunan dili mga bisyoso, dili mga dautan. wala mi igsuon nga sukad naanib nang rape, nipatay, etc etc...siguro once in their life sa wala pa sila makasulod sa pundok ing ana sila, pero sukad nahisulod sila sa among pundok nawala lagi ang mga bisyo ug pagka dautan?

    pero sa Catholic Church wala lagi na ninyo mapugngi?

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Tobi View Post
    sakto ka bro ang tawo makasala...pero lahi man siguro nang makasala ug "dautan". kng muingon kag makasala, normal rana bro. humans are prone to sin. pero kung muingon kag dautan, mura mag bug at2x na bro kay intentional naman jud nang salaa.

    Member ko sa Church of God International kang Bro Eli Soriano. daghan kaayo muingon nga dautan daw among tinuuhan, pero kung mag observe ka sa among pundok, majority sa among mga kaigsuunan dili mga dautan. muingon lang ko ug majority kay dili man gud tanan nga nahisulod sa among pundok tinuod nga igsuon. kung mugamit kog percentage mga 10% ra siguro na sila sa tibuok population sa among pundok. pero kanang 90% sa among mga kaigsuunan dili mga bisyoso, dili mga dautan. wala mi igsuon nga sukad naanib nang rape, nipatay, etc etc...siguro once in their life sa wala pa sila makasulod sa pundok ing ana sila, pero sukad nahisulod sila sa among pundok nawala lagi ang mga bisyo ug pagka dautan?

    pero sa Catholic Church wala lagi na ninyo mapugngi?

    brod, so mao na imo basehan you're in the right church?

    naa man daghan diha...Atheist...
    but they live a righteous life...they are Law abiding citizens...they don't have vices...they do humanitarian deeds...

    would you expect the Catholic Church to control its members in their daily living? how bout freedom brod?
    would you expel a member because he has done something sinful? instead of helping him out even if its a perverse act?

    tell me...

    in reality wala man jud mo nakapagawas ug mga evil spirits. awa nang inyong kadaghanang mga members puro dautan. tanang klaseng dautan naa sa katoliko. espiritu sa pagka adik, sugarol, bisyoso,criminal, burikat, etc...evil spirits man ang naglihok anang mga butanga, pero wala man gani na ninyo mapagawas...


    is it right to throw those words to the Catholic Church?

    would you mind telling me if Mr. Eli Soriano was able to drive demons...literally speaking?

    if given a chance...would you believe he can drive demons?

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    Sakto ba? Ang muingon nga kami jud dili mga makasasala nya ang uban kay mga makasasala! Sakto bah?

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by seven_segment View Post
    brod, so mao na imo basehan you're in the right church?
    wala ko muingon nga naa ko sa right church. dili na nako angay isulti. ang mas maayo ang makita kay kung puro rata sulti nga "kami ang tinuod nga church" pero dili makita ang labas ana nanghambog ra ta. observe sa among pundok bro ug ikaw na ang mu judge kung kami ba ang right church or dili.

    naa man daghan diha...Atheist...
    but they live a righteous life...they are Law abiding citizens...they don't have vices...they do humanitarian deeds...
    mas maayo pa nang mga tawo nga wala nakahibaw sa pulong sa Ginoo bro dako pa na silag chance nga maluwas kesa sa atong mga tawo nga kusog muingon nga tinuod daw sila nga church pero ang mga members kadaghanan mga dautan.

    2Pe 2:21 It would have been much better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than to know it and then turn away from the sacred command that was given them.


    would you expect the Catholic Church to control its members in their daily living? how bout freedom brod?
    would you expel a member because he has done something sinful? instead of helping him out even if its a perverse act?
    obligasyon mana sa church bro to disipline their members. unsa raman diay buhat anang inyong mga kaparian ga sige lang ug wali nya wala lay concern sa ilang mga members kung na unsa ra?

    freedom? kung musunod ka sa Ginoo mawala man ang imong freedom bro kay ang masunod naman sa imong kinabuhi ang gusto sa Ginoo.

    Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

    kung mu deny ka sa imong kaugalingon nasunod pa ba ang imong gusto?

    tell me...

    in reality wala man jud mo nakapagawas ug mga evil spirits. awa nang inyong kadaghanang mga members puro dautan. tanang klaseng dautan naa sa katoliko. espiritu sa pagka adik, sugarol, bisyoso,criminal, burikat, etc...evil spirits man ang naglihok anang mga butanga, pero wala man gani na ninyo mapagawas...


    is it right to throw those words to the Catholic Church?

    would you mind telling me if Mr. Eli Soriano was able to drive demons...literally speaking?

    if given a chance...would you believe he can drive demons?
    kanang ang usa ka tawo nga dautan imong napabag o pinaagi sa pulong sa Ginoo nakapagawas man ka ug evil spirits anang tawhana bro. pero kung ang imong buot ipasabot kanang tawo nga inyong giingon nga nasudlan ug demonyo, nagbuwa buwa ang baba, nagwala, wala pako nakakita ana sa among congregation but it doesn't mean dili na niya kaya. kaya wala paman ko kita so muingon lang ko ug wala pa...

    cge granting lagi, nakapagawas nang inyong pari ug mga demons, unsa lagi ang na prove ninyo ana? kay asta lagi ang mga false prophets kaya lagi nang buhaton...

    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    unsa may na prove ninyo kung nakabuhat mo ana?

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by baliguat View Post
    Sakto ba? Ang muingon nga kami jud dili mga makasasala nya ang uban kay mga makasasala! Sakto bah?
    kay niingon diay ko bro gna kami jud ang dili makasasala ug ang uban kay makasasala? i post kuno diri bro kung niingon ba ko ana...conclusion raman na nimo bro...

    ang akoa observation rana nako bro...kay makita man pud gud...

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Tobi View Post
    wala ko muingon nga naa ko sa right church. dili na nako angay isulti. ang mas maayo ang makita kay kung puro rata sulti nga "kami ang tinuod nga church" pero dili makita ang labas ana nanghambog ra ta. observe sa among pundok bro ug ikaw na ang mu judge kung kami ba ang right church or dili.



    mas maayo pa nang mga tawo nga wala nakahibaw sa pulong sa Ginoo bro dako pa na silag chance nga maluwas kesa sa atong mga tawo nga kusog muingon nga tinuod daw sila nga church pero ang mga members kadaghanan mga dautan.

    2Pe 2:21 It would have been much better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than to know it and then turn away from the sacred command that was given them.




    obligasyon mana sa church bro to disipline their members. unsa raman diay buhat anang inyong mga kaparian ga sige lang ug wali nya wala lay concern sa ilang mga members kung na unsa ra?

    freedom? kung musunod ka sa Ginoo mawala man ang imong freedom bro kay ang masunod naman sa imong kinabuhi ang gusto sa Ginoo.

    Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

    kung mu deny ka sa imong kaugalingon nasunod pa ba ang imong gusto?



    kanang ang usa ka tawo nga dautan imong napabag o pinaagi sa pulong sa Ginoo nakapagawas man ka ug evil spirits anang tawhana bro. pero kung ang imong buot ipasabot kanang tawo nga inyong giingon nga nasudlan ug demonyo, nagbuwa buwa ang baba, nagwala, wala pako nakakita ana sa among congregation but it doesn't mean dili na niya kaya. kaya wala paman ko kita so muingon lang ko ug wala pa...

    cge granting lagi, nakapagawas nang inyong pari ug mga demons, unsa lagi ang na prove ninyo ana? kay asta lagi ang mga false prophets kaya lagi nang buhaton...

    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    unsa may na prove ninyo kung nakabuhat mo ana?
    brod, libog ko..on the prvious post you've said this...

    in reality wala man jud mo nakapagawas ug mga evil spirits. awa nang inyong kadaghanang mga members puro dautan. tanang klaseng dautan naa sa katoliko. espiritu sa pagka adik, sugarol, bisyoso,criminal, burikat, etc...evil spirits man ang naglihok anang mga butanga, pero wala man gani na ninyo mapagawas...


    karon a different thing you want to imply by saying this...

    cge granting lagi, nakapagawas nang inyong pari ug mga demons,

    do yo know that one of the missions the apostles did is to drive out demons...
    if you're saying daghang false prophets...do false prophets drive out demons?

    driving out demons are deeds the Apostles did, as commanded by Christ...

    if you're asking me what does it proves...clearly mabasa na jud sa article brod..
    however if you insist me to say something..that would be the fact that the mission and deeds of the
    apostles still continues...


    kanang ang usa ka tawo nga dautan imong napabag o pinaagi sa pulong sa Ginoo nakapagawas man ka ug evil spirits anang tawhana bro.


    so you mean driving out of demons sad na brod?

    daghan man na-change Catholic ug NonCatholic...so basehan na na siya brod?

    example:

    born again ni siya...Lacey Mosley of Flyleaf...
    Stephen Ray
    Augistine of Hippo from Paganism to Christianity...
    etc..etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by seven_segment View Post
    brod...supressing the purpose...

    this is a great move from a devil...para ma-divert ang hiunahuna sa mga tawo...

    na we don't need a Saviour...

    I pity...and this is a big mockery...

    The Lord Jesus had SAVED us!
    A great move from a devil? Do you know what Esoteric means? Your knowledge about your religion brod is Exoteric meaning outside teaching or very shallow one. You have to study the original Christianity which is Gnosticism. Besides there are lost books in the Bible that are found in Nag Hamaddi in Egypt which are more older versions that are found in the holy bible. I was an ex seminarian for seven years brod and a Catholic Faith Defender studying the bible but now I have found out that The Catholic Church suppressed a lot of information and contained a lot of errors.

    So, again let me ask you: WHAT DOES HE MEAN WHEN JESUS SAID "THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU?" Why did HE say that? ANSWER IT. Next question. What does CHRIST means to you?

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