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    para nako mas effective pa ang hydroxyzine kay sa xyzal pero dili lng maka drowsy ang xyzal. thats why evening ko tig tumar sa meds. mga new gen na mga tambal dili na man kayu strong as older version of allergy meds.

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    beware sad some of the antihistamine na gi prescribed sa inyo doc kay mao sad na maka samot sa inyo allergy. take lng jud mo unsay na angay sa inyo lawas. like nako naka try nako xyzal, claritin, aerius, zyrtec, telfast, tagamet, zantac, hdroxyzine, etc. some are pang ulcers na nga mga tambal kay i combine man nila ang H1 & H2 receptor if grabe na ang allergy. then after cge ug pa consult sa doctor mao ra gaypon ang mga tambal gi hatag murag gi pa tuyok2x lng ang mga antihistamine . kung dili gani mi ni mi ni mi ni mo nalng mo hehehe

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    paminaw mu ana ni jjyo kay a.k.a ALLERGY KING na cya hahahaha

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    for me, there is not best anti allergy med.... ang pinaka ka importante na timan-an is dili dapat mokaon ug mga foods nga kbaw ka na maka-allergy nimu....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorothea View Post
    Xyzal is just an isomer of Zyrtec (cetirizine), and works no better than Zyrtec. The only difference? The price, of course. In the US, Zyrtec became an over-the-counter drug recently, drastically dropping down its price. Brand Xyzal and Brand Zyrtec don't work ANY BETTER than generic cetirizine. In fact, in an independent US study, Xyzal was shown to be the only isomer in the market that is slightly inferior to the original compound, Zyrtec. Sorry kaayo wak_wak ha, nag yawyaw ko dire. Drug companies need to make money to recoup their investments, I know that. Maglagot lang ko aning mga doctor, gapalami prescribe ug Xyzal when they know it is so ridiculously expensive, nga naa man unta barato ra kaayo nga OTC nga pareha ra ug effectivity. Patient care man unta ilang unang concern. The prescribing patterns of some doctors (not all, ok) are a joke! Everytime gani naay mogawas nga new brand drug, of an already old compound that has a generic, magkatawa nalang ko kay ang mga doctor atat kaayo mo prescribe sa new brand, nevermind the astronomical price. It's as if they've forgotten their medical education, nakalimot sila nga bisan new brand, pareha ra man intawon na ug active ingredient oi. Murag na brainwash sila sa drug companies sa ilang mga seminar nga naay pakapin nga free lunch in a fancy restaurant.

    This is my pet peeve. Don't believe all the crap your doctor tells you. Be aware.

    The latest marketing ploy of drug companies is to introduce "isomers" of parent compounds, slap them with a new brand name, tout them as "superior" than the original compound, and charge you an arm and a leg for it, because they know you don't know any better.

    This goes for all "isomers" out there, just as a caveat:

    cetirizine vs. levocetirizine
    loratadine vs. desloratadine
    citalopram vs. escitalopram
    venlafaxine vs. desvenlafaxine

    etc etc etc
    yeah maybe strategy.. then try it your self nalang para you could experience the result..
    >> i wont defend Xyzal and Zyrtec, for the patients sila na bahala kung unsa ila palitun, like your self mao ng view nimu, pero ako base on studies man ko.. and i seen the result and the differences so many times..

    "Brand Xyzal and Brand Zyrtec don't work ANY BETTER than generic cetirizine."
    >> be specific kung unsa na generic cetirizine, kay mu disagree ko nimu ani.. kay daghan diha generic, especially the cheap ones kay mura wala jud effect, kung naa man cguro, pero placebo nalang..

  6. #26
    Naa ko shrimp allergy ako tambal kay histacort.
    Nya kung nahan ko mokaon ug shrimp kay palit lang ko daan.hehehe
    Karon ako na gina anad ako system,
    hinay2x lang ko ug kaon ug shrimp in small quantity lang sa.

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    according to our pedia, claritin is the best, very expensive lang but worth man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wak_wak View Post
    yeah maybe strategy.. then try it your self nalang para you could experience the result..
    >> i wont defend Xyzal and Zyrtec, for the patients sila na bahala kung unsa ila palitun, like your self mao ng view nimu, pero ako base on studies man ko.. and i seen the result and the differences so many times..

    "Brand Xyzal and Brand Zyrtec don't work ANY BETTER than generic cetirizine."
    >> be specific kung unsa na generic cetirizine, kay mu disagree ko nimu ani.. kay daghan diha generic, especially the cheap ones kay mura wala jud effect, kung naa man cguro, pero placebo nalang..
    Wala man nako gidaut ang Xyzal baya. But based on studies man pud akong gi ingon nimo, based on independent studies. Unsa man nga studies imong gi base, studies sa company nga gahimo sa Xyzal? Of course, syemprenamente, mo ingon gyud ang UCB nga mas maayo ang Xyzal. Ahehehe. Abir kuno beh, i-explain kuno nganong ang stereoisomer, levo-cetirizine is better than plain old cetirizine. Hahaha. Plain old cetirizine has that levo part in its structure also. Ahehehe. Kinsa man ang nag regulate aning mga generics, di ba ang BFAD man? Wala diay ka'y salig sa BFAD kay nakamenos man ka sa mga generics? What makes you think superior ang branded drugs? They're more expensive, therefore mas effective? Karon pa ko nga placebo ra diay ning mga generics. Hehehe! Well, the average patient in the US pays a co-pay of $50 for Xyzal (that's not even the retail price, that's just the co-pay), when you can get brand Zyrtec for less than half that much OTC. And even much, much less for generic. And why is Zyxal more effective again? Oh yeah, because it's a "stereoisomer", therefore it has magical properties. Hahaha. Pare pareha ra pud na sa another UCB product nga Tussionex, murag magical pud kuno, that's why they can get away with charging people $100 dollar co-pays for the convenience of a 12-hour dosing instead of 4-6 hours nga generic hydrocodone nga tag 10 dollars ra, paresan ug chlorpheniramine nga tag $1.50 ra. Hahaha! Sorry ha ga yawyaw ko, my beef is not with you or with UCB. My beef is with doctors who supposedly took the Hippocratic Oath to serve the Best Interests of the patients, and then write prescriptions that cost you an arm and a leg. Mabaligya ang kabaw makapalit lang sa tambal kay abi lagi pud intawon sa pasyente, "magical drug" kay mahal lagi. HaaaYyyy!

    @wak_wak: how did your big bosses explain the function of isomeric compounds to you? That's what I want to know. Again, wala ko ningdaut sa Xyzal. Nag promote man gud ka sa Xyzal dire, so I felt compelled to say my piece based on what I know. And I know that Xyzal's price is a rip-off. Unless I get free Xyzal pens and free lunch-seminars, I stand by my word. Xyzal is NO BETTER than Zyrtec.

    PS. Pangutan-a pud imong big boss ha nganong mahal kaayo nang Tussionex, naa ba na'y secret magical ingredient? Hahaha
    Last edited by Dorothea; 01-19-2009 at 02:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjyo888 View Post
    para nako mas effective pa ang hydroxyzine kay sa xyzal pero dili lng maka drowsy ang xyzal. thats why evening ko tig tumar sa meds. mga new gen na mga tambal dili na man kayu strong as older version of allergy meds.
    Hydroxyzine is a really good drug, and dirt cheap too. Kaning hydroxyzine, zyrtec ug xyzal...they all belong to the piperazine class of antihistamines, therefore kanang ilang basic structure pareha ra. zyrtec is the active metabolite of hydroxyzine, and xyzal is an isomer of zyrtec. Ang naka apan lang gyud sa hydroxyzine, it'll make you really drowsy, in fact some doctors prescribe it as an anti-anxiety agent. It is very effective in skin allergies, and the best thing...it is dirt-cheap!!! That's my kind of drug.

    (take that Xyzal! hahaha)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonza9 View Post
    according to our pedia, claritin is the best, very expensive lang but worth man.
    The only advantage that Claritin has over the other antihistamines is that it is the least-sedating (about 8% drowsiness reported based on studies). But based on effect? Nope.

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