Free will: Absolute or Not? Should all the blame be upon humanity?

[boomer]

because the OMNI-nezz is not biblical its just the interpretations of theologians and some pastors and leaders who interpret by their own and didn't rely on the instruction of God.

Peace!

hmmmmm, and you know better?? right....

how do you differentiate biblical interpretations of theologians and pastors....to biblical interpretation soriano style?? provided that all mentioned uses the same bible...how do you know which is which...who is who?

face it bro, soriano interprets the bible tooo....and claims biblical claims also....but both camps(soriano's and others) did not arrive at the same conclusion.

probable answer could be:
you are wrong, others are correct...
others are wrong, you are correct...

and last but not the least....all of you got it wrong.

[rcruman]

hmmmmm, and you know better?? right....

how do you differentiate biblical interpretations of theologians and pastors....to biblical interpretation soriano style?? provided that all mentioned uses the same bible...how do you know which is which...who is who?

first, they read the bible then stops and then give interpretations.
while bro. Eli read the bible and read succeeding verses or other verses to explain, so bro. Eli didn't explain from his own but the bible explains its just he's like a guide who give directions.

face it bro, soriano interprets the bible tooo....and claims biblical claims also....but both camps(soriano's and others) did not arrive at the same conclusion.

how could wrong and right have the same conclusion?
the bible is righteous but the mind of pastors/ministers are questionable.
let the bible explain/interprets.

probable answer could be:
you are wrong, others are correct...
others are wrong, you are correct...
and last but not the least....all of you got it wrong.

then the bible doesn't rely on probability, how could it be a case of probability that its the bible explain itself.

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

GOd doesn't know our decision mao bitaw iya gihatag ang FREE WILL kay dili siya gusto nga mura tag walay buot or robot.

Peace!

You must be the cousin of two-faced villain. Abi nako inyong ginoo KNOWS EVERYTHING. Unya karon he doesn't na?

[The_Undertaker]

I think we only want to believe we have the free will because we can choose... right or wrong... but for every chosen path we take there is already an answer to that which GOD already made... he's just waiting for us to make that good choice or mistake...

i base my idea from the BIBLE CODE of Michael Drosnin... specially on the part of the book where he mentioned this verse:

ISIAH 45:7

why don't you guys check this out and tell us what you think?

[Tattva]

of course it exist.

I think that it would be more helpful if the thread starter elaborated his points of what those verses mean to him.

[brown_dog]

When Jesus said to his disciple that he was going to be crusified, Simon Peter said "Lord, we must prevent this!". Jesus was angry and said "Go away Satan!".

Again this is not to be taken literally. Simon Peter is not satan.
Simon Peter was thinking carnal thoughts. Jesus himself was in a very deeply troubled about his coming destiny which to die. Or worst being tortured. He was in a brinks of his limits in his resolve. In the bible Jesus is being ilustrated as sweating Blood. Sometimes we can say stupid things like what simon peter said He simply was not thinking things beyond what is happening.

One more thing about free will. There are only two kingdoms in this universe (were talking religion here) Gods and Satans. Its your freewill that will decide. If you wanna be Gods yourselves and that is what most people think of themselves inwardly meaning thinking themselves as their own Gods but not influencing people. Results to which they think themselves as "in between". Godless people are who think themselves as neither Godly or Evil are bound in the kingdom of this earth which is ruled by Satan. That is why this world is so twisted sometimes right is right sometimes wrong is right, right is wrong, wrong is wrong ect... just adds to the confusion. And also Politically correct and incorrect differs from basic correct and incorrect. I don't want to follow such worldy principles.

You have the freewill to chose life in God or Death (because God's justice demands punishment for evil deeds) This is the ultimate freewill. There are no other choice. Bacause this is what it is.

[fingolfin]

.. crap, why do you always condone to silly arguements when stuff or phrases from the bible is involved. You guys thought that FREE WILL is from a divine intervention. It's not. It's simply an answer of YES or NO. It's decisions that we make in daily life: To eat or not to eat, to ride a jeepney or walk, to reply to a text or call, to reply to this stupid post or delete it.... that's how simple it is.

[junn]

There is no best religion and there is no religion that has the absolute truth.

Each religion has it's own interpretation of whatever book or bible it has as a guide.


Hence, the word here is RESPECT. Respect each and everyone's religion. In doing so, you'll be able to create that "paradise" or "peace on earth" you're hoping for.

.. crap, why do you always condone to silly arguements when stuff or phrases from the bible is involved. You guys thought that FREE WILL is from a divine intervention. It's not. It's simply an answer of YES or NO. It's decisions that we make in daily life: To eat or not to eat, to ride a jeepney or walk, to reply to a text or call, to reply to this stupid post or delete it.... that's how simple it is.

Brown, I think your language is the indirect way of saying [Freewil is when you choose to read and make a post] that Freewill is just a piece of worthless and nonsense subject to define.
If "is" is "it is", then it is nothing but a part of every movement and man's capacity which is not worthy for dissertation. If freewill means a will that is free, then its way of defining it would just be a semantics interplay.
If our daily "choices" constitutes freewill, I think it is just naming something which is a necessity in human occurences, hence, there is no need of telling the whole world that the "is" is the "it is" or freewill is the freechoice. This is the funny part of thinking Brown, twisting and distorting were part of it.

[junn]

@fingolfin/doc

it's just a free discussion. no need to call it stupid...

it's nothing serious...a common philo argument back in college...

just to exercise our reasoning power...

[junn]

of course it exist.

I think that it would be more helpful if the thread starter elaborated his points of what those verses mean to him.

i really dont intend to insist on my point of view... my thought is that maybe if "what will be has already been," then maybe this would bring comfort to those who has a lot to regret in life. not that i'm condoning slack excuses for committing mistakes. rather, help a sorry being get on with life...